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listenstotrees
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posted February 07, 2011 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooops, I thought that latter post had not gone through. Ah well.
I was going to delete it if it had gone through.

The humor was no effort actually.....we are both very silly people. Perhaps that "harsh" aspect may have been more about difficulty of the long distance?

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posted February 07, 2011 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrology isn't fatalistic. A harsh aspect has a general meaning, but it also shows a possibility for the most growth potential in that area.

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posted February 07, 2011 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
iQ:

That has happened several times...when I read the cards, I learnt to stop being so fatalistic about it as Randall said.

Patterns can be changed.

I think the Universe does not reveal a choice unless it wants the choice to be changed

P.s. Been watching the Matrix trilogy

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posted February 12, 2011 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no such thing as karmic justice unless there is such a thing as free will. Karmic justice only makes sense if you believe in free will. I don't feel that free will as it is commonly thought of really exists. So I question the idea of karmic justice.

This is what I meant to say earlier on but couldn't find the right words at the time.

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posted February 12, 2011 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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I think the Universe does not reveal a choice unless it wants the choice to be changed.
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Excellent point!

@LTT: Rigid Karmic "Balance" does not exist, for Karma balances itself in sophisticated ways.
For instance, Tantrik seers discovered that Crude Oil is the akin to the blood of the Earth Being. Humanity "drills" and pumps so much of Crude, how to balance this karma?
This is also how we separate the wheat from the chaff in identifying wise gurus.
The great Vimalanada proved that this Karma is balanced by Humanity's penchant for vaccinations and blood testing for various new illnesses. What are the syringes made of? Plastic from Crude and metal, the same metal used in making the drill shafts.
Billions of Humans use Crude. How many can say that they never have been injected with a syringe? How much blood has been extracted?
Do Masai Tribals use Crude Oil? 0% of Masai get Diabetes and hence have no need to poke themselves for sugar level checks.

If Humanity had avoided Crude Oil and went for Teslas inventions based on Maxwells real Equations of Electro Magnetics, there would not have been a single illness on Earth, and no need for any vaccination or injection.

This is the way to introspect. Look at every activity of ours. We get Karmic Balance in sophisticated ways. We yap and yap all day on mobile phones, those deadly towers are destroying the Honey Bees. What production becomes less? Honey, a distilled product that nourishes the body.
So what will be the Karmic balance? What distilled produce of Humanity will be diminished thanks to the very tool that it abuses? This is the way to use the 7 Hermetic Laws. By introspecting, you will know about Human "Honey". Also, if it is "Honey", it is consumed. If you do not consume it, something else does. That has a whole different Karmic Implication.


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posted February 12, 2011 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, possibly, but that still doesn't satisfactorily answer my question about free will. (Which I am not so much as asking anybody here as asking generally; asking myself).

As the poster of the thread "when good things happen to bad people" was saying- if someone doesn't know any responsibility for what they are doing/ have done- then suffering for it seems pointless. It is only when someone metaphorically has the right kind of glasses to see how things really are, that any sort of "free will" comes to them.

That is my only problem with karma- that if people are suffering any type of karma but have no idea why they are suffering for it, then it is definitely like being trapped in a kind of matrix/ labyrinth of reality.

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posted February 12, 2011 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"If one can really come to that state of saying, "I do not know," it indicates an extraordinary sense of humility; there is no arrogance of knowledge; there is no self-assertive answer to make an impression. When you can actually say, "I do not know," which very few are capable of saying, then in that state all fear ceases because all sense of recognition, the search into memory, has come to an end; there is no longer inquiry into the field of the known. Then comes the extraordinary thing. If you have so far followed what I am talking about, not just verbally, but if you are actually experiencing it, you will find that when you can say, "I do not know," all conditioning has stopped.
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posted February 12, 2011 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancer/Scorpio729     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:

@LTT: Rigid Karmic "Balance" does not exist, for Karma balances itself in sophisticated ways.
For instance, Tantrik seers discovered that Crude Oil is the akin to the blood of the Earth Being. Humanity "drills" and pumps so much of Crude, how to balance this karma?
This is also how we separate the wheat from the chaff in identifying wise gurus.
The great Vimalanada proved that this Karma is balanced by Humanity's penchant for vaccinations and blood testing for various new illnesses. What are the syringes made of? Plastic from Crude and metal, the same metal used in making the drill shafts.
Billions of Humans use Crude. How many can say that they never have been injected with a syringe? How much blood has been extracted?
Do Masai Tribals use Crude Oil? 0% of Masai get Diabetes and hence have no need to poke themselves for sugar level checks.

If Humanity had avoided Crude Oil and went for Teslas inventions based on Maxwells real Equations of Electro Magnetics, there would not have been a single illness on Earth, and no need for any vaccination or injection.

This is the way to introspect. Look at every activity of ours. We get Karmic Balance in sophisticated ways. We yap and yap all day on mobile phones, those deadly towers are destroying the Honey Bees. What production becomes less? Honey, a distilled product that nourishes the body.
So what will be the Karmic balance? What distilled produce of Humanity will be diminished thanks to the very tool that it abuses? This is the way to use the 7 Hermetic Laws. By introspecting, you will know about Human "Honey". Also, if it is "Honey", it is consumed. If you do not consume it, something else does. That has a whole different Karmic Implication.


That makes a lot of sense. My grandfather has owned several gas stations all his life. He is now extremely diabetic and has to inject himself with insulin before every meal.
EDIT: But it's not blood drawing.

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posted February 13, 2011 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diabetes is caused by diet and epigenetics, a reaction to fructose, the most poisonous substance in people's diets.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

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posted February 13, 2011 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by listenstotrees:
Diabetes is caused by diet and epigenetics, a reaction to fructose, the most poisonous substance in people's diets.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM



Not entirely true.
Animals even in the wild can become diabetic.
That includes the carnivores.

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posted February 13, 2011 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe animals are abusing oil too then.

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posted February 14, 2011 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Crude Oil example is just one, there are many if you observe historical events.
And even cases of karmic balancing can be assessed by analyzing "fated" diseases, like Cancer. Fated as in 3D Thinking of fated.

A country like Sri Lanka that did not conquer other countries within the current Pluto Cycle has 30 deaths per 100,000.
USA and Japan [one guilty of conquest by placing dicatorial regimes, the other guilty of unbridled imperialism during WW2] have rates in excess of 300 per 100000.

USA dropped two Nukes on Japan yet did not suffer a similar fate. Why? They saw to it that Demming and other like minded Amercians rebuilt the Japanese Economy to a position of strength.

Countries like India with knowledge of the Soul yet very poor practical demonstration of this wisdom have amazingly high cases of Diabetes in the rich. Rich Indians waste the most amount of money [and Crude Oil for that matter, some wealthy snobs fly in guests
for lavish weddings in chartered flights, not blinking at more than a million farmers having died or committing suicide from poverty. ]

All karmic cycles can be countered by Higher Thoughts and Higher Level Acts by every individual and even by the Nation. Forgiving debts of poor countries is an example. Relief sent during disasters etc.

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posted February 14, 2011 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by listenstotrees:
Maybe animals are abusing oil too then.

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posted February 14, 2011 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
If Humanity had avoided Crude Oil and went for Teslas inventions based on Maxwells real Equations of Electro Magnetics, there would not have been a single illness on Earth, and no need for any vaccination or injection.
Well;
Tesla technology does not eliminate the need for oil and petroleum products. Motors, engines, all require oil.

As to illnesses;
well;
there were such long before the commercialization of the crude oil.
Illness and disease are as old/older than humankind.
Dinosaur bones reflect such, as do the fossils of the much older extinction during the Permian era.

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posted February 15, 2011 03:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Motors and Engines do not need oil to the extent that is being burned in vehicles.
In fact, with Nanotechnology, we can have lubricants that work like friction buster ball bearings that do not need replacement.
But first, we have to tap the vacuum energy/ZPT using Tesla Coils and stop drilling. We have to stop hurting Mother Earth., else we get spanked big time. Karma rocks.


People lived for 900+ years without illness in the past. They messed up in the medieval age though because of plunder and hence we see the growth of diseases with the growth of plunder. We see the growth of vaccinations with the growth of pumping too much crude. Everything is connected, we just have to strain a bit to see the hidden laws at work.

There is a correlation between the murder of liberal "Taseer" in Pakistan and the revolution at "Tahreer" square in Egypt. Both Nations are Sunni Muslim with huge minority populations.

In the coming days we will see the different Karmic consequences in both these Nations.
Egypt on the path of glory, Pakistan to the brink of annihilation, with an option to escape by choosing liberal democracy over orthodox suppression.

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posted February 15, 2011 11:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by listenstotrees:
Diabetes is caused by diet and epigenetics, a reaction to fructose, the most poisonous substance in people's diets.

Sugar: The Bitter Truth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM



I actually just recently did genetic testing at 23andme.com

They test for genetic traits,genetic potential for diseases , and ancestral line.

I am looking forward to the results. I will find out about my Y DNA haplogroup/subclade (patrilineal line). I suspect that I belong to European haplogroup because of the slavery. It's possible that my father could have been the descendant of plantation owners. Most African Americans are part white. It is said that around a quarter of them have Y DNA European haplogroup. They also match you with relatives.


I did a genetic test for MAOA aka Warrior Gene at familytreeDNA.com

I have been looking for anywhere that offers genetic testing for the DRD4 7R allele testing. That's the gene that is linked to novelty seeking, approximately half of ADHD cases, and addictions as well as liberalism.


I'd love to have complete genome testing. That is very expensive. Ozzy and Sharon Osbourne had that done.


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posted February 15, 2011 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancer/Scorpio729     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
We have to stop hurting Mother Earth., else we get spanked big time. Karma rocks.

Are there any other books you would recommend on karma?

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posted February 17, 2011 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for asking
The best book I have ever read on Karma is
"The Law of Karma" by Robert Svoboda.

A great local philanthropist once told me:
10 idlers = 1 Speaker
10 Speakers = 1 Thinker
10 Thinkers = 1 Planner
100 Planners = 1 Performer.

Likewise,
10 readers = 1 Thinker
10 thinkers = 1 Writer
10 writers = 1 Philosopher
100 Philosophers = 1 Knower
100 Knowers = 1 Guru like Vimalananda, the man who inspired Svoboda to write the Aghora books.

Nobody comes close. This man did not accumulate Rolls Royces and could not have a single complaint filed against him. No advertizing, no cult following, no portraits for Egoistic worship, no fees charged for seminars, no sugarcoated words.
Even Jiddu Krishnamurti and Osho needed planes to go abroad. He could visit Europe everyday through Astral Travel and even knew the art of being in two places at the same time. Yet never misused it.

The best practical Guru of the 20th Century.


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posted February 17, 2011 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just asked myself why I let the opinions of people who feel the have the answers bother me. I gravitate nowadays toward the philosophy of Socrates "true wisdom exists in knowing we know nothing" and in the general outlook of Krishnamurti.

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It is because I doubt myself still that I allow myself to feel such a way around others. I have been pondering lately whether much of the answers into solving our problems are connected to our tendency to seek answers and "wisdom" from outside sources. When we do that, maybe we are giving our own power away every time. Bill Ryan mentioned someone had told him in an interview, that an Admiral (Hoover) involved with the powers that be had said on his death bed, that the real secret, the one most closely guarded from us with fear, is the secret of how powerful we really are.

I wonder if there is something in that. Obviously there is something in it, but just how powerful are we really, and does reality emanate from the beliefs we chose to focus on? Do we create a different sort of matrix depending on what program we buy into and focus on?

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posted February 17, 2011 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
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People lived for 900+ years without illness in the past.

There is no proof of that.

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posted February 18, 2011 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cancer/Scorpio729     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by listenstotrees:
I have been pondering lately whether much of the answers into solving our problems are connected to our tendency to seek answers and "wisdom" from outside sources. When we do that, maybe we are giving [b]our own power away every time. Bill Ryan mentioned someone had told him in an interview, that an Admiral (Hoover) involved with the powers that be had said on his death bed, that the real secret, the one most closely guarded from us with fear, is the secret of how powerful we really are.

I wonder if there is something in that. Obviously there is something in it, but just how powerful are we really, and does reality emanate from the beliefs we chose to focus on? Do we create a different sort of matrix depending on what program we buy into and focus on? [/B]


I never thought of it so deeply as to think we're giving our power away, but I suppose you're right. I think the impulse comes from us being taught that God will give us everything we need if we pray. Adults and school teachers spoon-feed info instead of letting the student discover, so that by the time they're older there's nothing in the world they've discovered completely by themselves. Maybe all of us being confined to each other's ideas makes the universe the way it is. We can't know for sure whether we all see the same world though, being confined to our perspectives. But then that would mean that our perspectives are so biased that we only hear what we want to hear about the world so that it stays the same to us.

Isn't the idea of reality emanating from what we focus on the basis of LOA? That what "frequency" we're on creates our world?

I recently learned that it's also the Principle of Mentalism in Hermetics.

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If we did not have a veil of forgetfulness thrown over our eyes, if we were already Aware of the Universal undercurrents and principles of Causality, if we whilst remaining in a 3D form could perceive from birth other dimensions and hence Know, what purpose would it serve our Souls to put themselves through this denser frequency??

When Shakespeare referred to the world as being but a stage, he was closer to the Truth than most. The Earth and other Dimensions are playgrounds where Souls incarnate to learn and Know the other thereby coming to Know itself and Know there is no other.

Why would a Soul do this? To Know itself.

Why wouldn't a Soul desire Unity? Because Unity does not Know. If everything is Unity and there is nothing else, how would it Know it is Unity...through the experience of Not Unity.
There is much wisdom in this...through Us, each and every One of Us, the Universe is becoming Conscious of Itself.

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posted February 19, 2011 04:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unity. I wonder what I've done in previous lives to deserve to feel like such an outsider in this one. The feeling has followed me since the experiences I had age 11 described here. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/000225-2.html

Wherever I've gone, I've never fitted in.

There are times when I feel the pain is too much to cope with.

Oh, my mother didn't often allow me to have people over the house- I only ever had people over on rare occasions, and wasn't allowed to play on the street; she said it was because there were no other kids of my age in the very local area. So this might be a contributing factor as well. I meet people who say they played out and always had people round their houses and I wonder why I couldn't have that experience.

This life is supposed to be important but sometimes it's too damn painful.

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posted February 19, 2011 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Frozen Queen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I See.

I have desired to fit in and belong from an early age but I now see it is not of much worth to my Soul. It's not an easy decision to make, to realise that you will never belong and stop trying to conform. But maybe that is your gift...to be different. That it made you the target of other humans projected insecurities is more telling on them than you. They probably meant no malice but reacted out of some instinctual mechanism...let them go.
I tried to look at bullying through the lens of karma and failed too but even if it is not my debt towards them, they too are experiencing the density of 3D and trying to escape responsibility by projecting their inner struggles elsewhere. It does not serve me to dissect their motives but learning the lesson involved does lift the veil.

Is there something wrong with you, some sin that has caused you to experience soul shattering distress then NO, it is not so. You and I, all of us are under Soul contract in this 3D Earth and most if not all lessons are learnt by the experience of the nonSelf...it is not your fault, it is an attribute of this density/dimension.

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Ask Me anything. Anything. I will contrive to bring you the answer. The whole universe will I use to do this. So be on the lookout. This book is far from My only tool. You may ask a question, then put this book down. But watch. Listen. The words to the next song you hear. The information in the next article you read. The story line of the next movie you watch. The chance utterance of the next person you meet. Or the whisper of the next river, the next ocean, the next breeze that caresses your ear—all these devices are Mine; all these avenues are open to Me. I will speak to you if you will listen. I will come to you if you will invite Me. I will show you then that I have always been there. All ways.

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