posted September 23, 2017 03:43 PM            

Does anyone knows about it?

Also, what may be the bad karma for it?

posted September 23, 2017 10:02 PM            

There is a bit more to it than that...many want convenience, and suicide is often inconvenient, and may make people feel bad. People say that those who commit suicide are selfish, but I think it's more likely that those who say that are the selfish ones who didn't want to have to think about what happened, didn't want the pain and guilt, but also didn't want to help and keep on pretending things were fine. Killing one's self does not strike me as a selfish thing to do unless one is in incredible pain, in which case expecting someone to continue to exist in agony for your own comfort strikes me as more selfish still.

And then there's the effect where people spout whatever they think will get them approval (including the most likes on the internet). They don't actually care about what they're saying, only how people react to it, and that encourages them to follow the standard line. After all, the dead can't give them a thumbs up, while those who dealt with a suicide can give them a thumbs down.

(It's like how many thoughtlessly ask about when someone is having children, heedless as to whether such a person cannot or has experienced miscarriage and the like. The person asking doesn't really care, just to seem like caring, and will become extremely uncomfortable to learn that they have caused someone distress by bringing this up, because they weren't thinking when they spoke, only saying what they thought they should say like a robot for the likes.)

It's like how arbitrary lots of things are depending on whether you do them for yourself or your masters (the state, etc). Kill for your gang colors and you're branded a villain, but kill for your nation's colors and you're a hero with parades, as just one example. Generally speaking, anything you do for yourself is evil, but at the same time you're to be obligated to do the same type of deeds that are then celebrated when the ranchers who own people command that they be done, including in actions that result in the end of your life for your masters (though it will be phrased as "for your nation" or "God" or some such). Technically, even the elderly aren't allowed to kill themselves to spare themselves pain and their families money, because there's money to be made (meanwhile, hospitals and hospices are notorious for abuse to the elderly in their last days, as long as they keep cashing in on that matter, getting some of that Rancher actions for themselves).

However, actual NDEs don't show that those who commit suicide are especially prone to negative NDE's, and may face lots of compassion in the spirit world than they ever got here. Sure, people looking to confirm their own biases will cherry pick the data to make it appear otherwise, but those without an axe to grind (such as the IANDS) don't show a difference. In other words, it's a lie that suicide means punishment.

NOTE: I don't mean to promote suicide, and though I strongly believe doctor assisted suicide should be available (but not encouraged) I'd want safeguards because plenty of other selfish people would gladly kill off their elderly parents if they could for their own selfish benefits. We humans are not a pleasant species, but we have the most amazing ability to rationalize all that we do to make it appear righteous somehow, and typically even believe our own BS.

posted October 02, 2017 06:37 PM            

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Karma certainly complicates the discussion.

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posted October 09, 2017 03:06 PM            

I had a coworker (long ago) whose brother had committed suicide. She knew I was a Christian who is still in touch with Humanity.
.. She shared that a minister had told her that her brother went to hell. That is sooo narrow-Hearted, uncaring, unchristian, and repulsive.

I Believe in God... and refuse to think that the God I know would be so cruel... He Knows us. He Understands our frailties, and that those souls are greeted with Love and Compassion.

He also sends Comforting spirits (and human angels), to stand with us and help Heal the Wounds of those who are left behind...

Pixie-Jane... ALWAYS very well-spoken

Lexxi ... You ARE a VERY courageous soul. Don't give up hope. You never know when medical innovations explode with sudden answers that will bring miracle cures for your body (and your hubby's).

posted October 16, 2017 10:34 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Shulia ...

I had a coworker (long ago) whose brother had committed suicide. She knew I was a Christian who is still in touch with Humanity.
.. She shared that a minister had told her that her brother went to hell. That is sooo narrow-Hearted, uncaring, unchristian, and repulsive.

I Believe in God... and refuse to think that the God I know would be so cruel... He Knows us. He Understands our frailties, and that those souls are greeted with Love and Compassion.

He also sends Comforting spirits (and human angels), to stand with us and help Heal the Wounds of those who are left behind...

Pixie-Jane... ALWAYS very well-spoken

Lexxi ... You ARE a VERY courageous soul. Don't give up hope. You never know when medical innovations explode with sudden answers that will bring miracle cures for your body (and your hubby's).

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posted October 16, 2017 10:35 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randall:
[b]Karma certainly complicates the discussion.

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posted October 19, 2017 04:10 PM            

You might be feeling a kind of natural shock or boomerang of emotions (hang-over) from that extreme experience. You need to be gentle on yourself and allow these to process.

Quite shocking to suddenly be subjected to thinking you're dying. Shifts life into a new perspective...

Plus, those astral skies have felt a bit stifling for a while, too...

You talked about your kidneys...

Venus just entered Libra around the time your kidney had a problem.

Venus Libra ...
Libra is kidneys.

Where is your asteroid 8311 Zhangdaning in your chart?
What is it doing?

{{{BTW, You don't have to look it up, if you don't want to. I'm 'making conversation' with you here.}}}

Get some good rest.... Be gentle with yourself.

posted October 20, 2017 08:11 AM            

I am sure i suffer from depression, induced by my own expectations of people and events, my problem is that i care too much and tend to be very selfless, when i love, i love with all my being, to the point i put my life on a plate for that someone. Its nobody's fault but mine, i was always a crazy optimist and still am, its weird to have depression and still feel love and smile naturally. Im a Cancer with Leo ASC, but this was not a problem, i could control my emotions in the past, until i got into drugs with the people i grew up with, they did quit but i was hooked up and i was so hardly judged by everyone to the point i broke in shame and regret, the people i loved the most hurt me the worst. And this was a shock for me. I isolated myself for a while. And then my burnout started. I got dermatitis, things on my skin, teeth problems and many more. I did quit the drugs, i went trough 2 withdrawals alone, and trough depression also alone. I know i should have asked for help. But i was too lost, to the point i depersonalized. This coma changed something in my core and im rediscovering myself and the purpose of life. By no means im cured, but its better than before. I had an interesting experience in my coma, i woke after a few days, had amnesia, i spoke latin fluently, i could play guitar, i talked things about metaphysics that i had no idea of. I want to write a book now and im grateful for all my traumas, depression, everything bad that happened to me because i can understand the human condition better and maybe this will lead me somewhere, maybe i can help people, save lives. Its weird because, even tho im aware of how amazing life is, and that overthinking killed my vibe, i still went trough the blues and i still do. It will be cured eventually.

So im not an astro-wiz, but here is my natal chart mirage, if you know how to look it up and maybe tell me more about me and my life regarding the downs i went trough and still do.

https://www.astro.com/tmpd/cs36fileqTLgIn-u1284753192/astro_w2gw_andrei.43762.13579.gif

posted October 20, 2017 01:25 PM            

And also theres the bible point of view wich is more tragic than the rest.
So many versions of the truth, but wich one is correct?
What if all of them are just a psychologic pillow for our own comfort?

Because honestly, all have truths in them, but in different colors.

So many questions, so many answers. I personally feel that is wrong to kill yourself, and maybe i've been mind conditioned by society that is wrong, that i should fight till my last breath, but it feels right. Even tho my mind pushes me to the edge sometimes, i don't act on it.

So guys, what do you think? Wich one feels the most appropriate to you? Because i personally feel like and observer, i always did. I found that is liberating to not get attached to any of these views, but also hard to master, because we are beings that work better as a core, not solitary, so then its a natural instinct to rely on something. Weird world we live in.

posted October 20, 2017 05:22 PM            

And then there are extreme cases, like where a man who sought help repeatedly for his suicidal feelings was given false compassion with a metaphoric (and meaningless) pat on the hand and then ignored (with promised followups by professionals not forthcoming) until finally, perhaps feeling jerked around on top of everything else and feeling as if he wasn't being taken seriously as people (including professionals and hotlines) brushed him off again and again, shot up a McDonald's, slaying several others as well as himself, and now many wished he had killed himself earlier as he planned--not that they wished they got to him before that point when he was still seeking help, and while an extreme example there are many others not quite as extreme like it.

You also assume, for no reason that I can see, that life is a test and suicide wasn't an option to "pass" it, or that people couldn't choose to experience what surviving a suicide is like, or learn their own lessons from it. That is, maybe people have important lessons to learn from suicide, and also about death itself and its acceptance, rather than enabling others to pretend that life is better than it is. Furthermore, suicide could be an experience and teaching moment that others need, as suicide causes people around them to ask hard questions that they never would otherwise. That is, maybe they'd "fail" the test if they didn't--though maybe the test is doing so after you're led to believe it's wrong and "unwise," that the entire life was learning to make one's own choices with suicide the culmination and graduation of that. (And maybe the ones who failed were those who lived on who didn't do enough to stop it, not by shaming, but by compassion. There are so many ways to see it.)

If you want to say all the views have truth in them, then you shouldn't dismiss this as one more possible truth. Technically, Jesus committed suicide for a noble purpose (if you want to say that doesn't count as others did it to him, are you also going to say it doesn't count if doctors, or others, assist in suicide? Or use of venomous snakes and wild animals which a suicidal personally merely fails to resist in order to die?).

And do we "descend" after? I see no reason, based on afterlife experiences which show suicides are just as likely to have a positive NDE as other forms of death, to think so. However, some people who did not commit suicide lived to deeply regret that fact, perhaps being unable to do so later (like being in a hellish hospice in which everything they had was being sold to pay for weeks to months or even years of horrible abuse and neglect). We could explore the ways people ruin their lives and relationships as well, as a type of suicide that doesn't end in literal death, but are just more lessons to learn or experience.

posted October 20, 2017 05:39 PM            

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Randall.

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posted October 23, 2017 08:01 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Lexxigramer ...
Medical miracles happening more each year now.
Astonishing finds...

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posted October 23, 2017 09:24 PM            

I think it's worth noting that I was not dealing with depression, though there was some genuine despair. I was a 15-year-old runaway on the streets, and part of what was motivating me is to be with my best friend who had just died, since the primary reason I was on the streets was to be with her (however, there were other reasons, and I didn't go back for months after her death when I was essentially scared into returning home--and as should be obvious, it was a pretty big scare since being a homeless kid outside the law isn't for the faint of heart).

I feel I should also point out that not all runaways are idiotic junkies selling the bodies because they don't like rules. I've thought long and hard about why people with certain backgrounds come a dime a dozen on the internet while others (such as hardcore runaways) are so rare online (despite being common in real life) that I've only met one other (and he was a guy) in over 10 years online. It's because the shows aimed primarily at women during the day are targeting mothers and such, and want to stay on their good side, and so view certain type of women favorably (and these will thus reveal their background with it online), while runaway kids unfavorably (who thus feel shamed into hiding it, knowing they'll get a different reaction). If you got your image of what runaway kids are like from talk shows like that then you have no idea what it's like out there (even if their cherry picked kids are true stories), nor what a great many kids on the streets are like or have to deal with.

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So anyway, I was prevented from killing myself by a guy who held me, and I about cried myself to sleep (having gone about 3 days without sleep and little food can make that easy to happen), but I had an experience then that I'm sure is more than a dream. The culmination is that I met the goddess Freya on another plane of existence who "said" (it was all wordless song that worked like communication) that She Sang me into Existence to stand beside her to fight the giants of Ragnarok. She did not want me to be an "eternal child" or, even worse, to seek to "return to the womb that spit you out," as plenty of people in other religions seemed to want, but to become worthy to stand by Her side as a power in my own right, earned. All that I was enduring was being the sword tempered by fire and pain. If I broke then She'd sing a new Song (with no indication of what would happen to me) but if I broke now then She wanted me to "make an informed decision."

This experience transformed my life and my attitude, and though I've come to "explain away" a lot of it (enough to be agnostic about it, though I have reasons to believe there was a paranormal element involved) I was absolutely convinced that Freya was a real goddess. (I did not believe life was just and the universe loving, however, a near impossible belief to have in situations as I was in then.)

posted October 23, 2017 09:24 PM            

If you want to go around saying suicide is wrong, then go out and make this world a better place. Volunteer at a food bank. Heck, fool a hospice filled with abuse that an inmate stuck there so their family could forget about them has people who care as that will get them better treatment (I did that when I was 14 with other kids, though I don't know how they work today with updated security protocols, security designed to protect themselves then the flies they got caught in their web, but even so, Granny Cam has proved effective in fighting certain abuses of the elderly, many of whom probably wished they had not been talked out of suicide years before this when they had that option). I've done both and more, and unlike many who can't be bothered, I'm not telling people that life and the universe is good, that there is always help (when I know there isn't), and that it's a moral failing to make others uncomfortable with one's own pain.

Too many obligate others to suffer for their own benefit and personal comfort so they can pretend to live in a loving universe, and want to brush people off without consequences (or at the most, put them on pills to shut them up), and the whole saying suicide is always wrong and inexcusable and selfish sounds like stock lies we tell ourselves that are pointless to many who are suicidal, whether they are suicidal from emotional reasons, or real life circumstances in which most others don't have a place in glibly telling them how to live their lives or to suck it up. Many who write off all suicide as selfish and deserving of punishment aren't just running from the dark truth of the horrors in the world, but even working to brush it under the carpet (which a suicide makes it very difficult for them to do).