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How To Study the Bible For Dummies*

* Said with affection


By amiann

Well, I have been forced to write this article with the help of one of my dear LL brothers, Padre. He is mixing me up so much that I am like a blender, so I took pity on myself and decided to write this.

People think the Bible is oh so hard. They think the Bible is oh so esoteric. They think the Bible is for ministers who are the only ones who can plumb it’s depths.They think it is for seminaries which are rightly called cemetaries. All these people are wrong. The Catholic Church would not allow it’s parishioners to read the Bible until recently. That is because the Bible is very powerful for personal growth. Personal growth begets independent thought. Independent thought begets people who will not listen to whatever the Catholic Church tells them. Knowledge is power. Independent thought is power. Personal power is where it is at if you want to have a full life. Hence, I will get started.

I am going to give a few guidelines. It will not be very complicated. You have to study the Bible for yourself and not rely on me or anyone to tell you what it says but first you must follow some simple guidelines. There is no field of pursuit that does not have basic rules. Even a simple game of tennis has rules.

The First Guideline

1. One must put what one is reading into it’s proper Dispensation. Dispensation is a fancy word for time period. Think of how different time periods are. A century ago, there was no TV. Now, TV is in every home.Fifty years ago, there were no personal computers. Now, our lives revolve around the computer. A century ago, there was no fast food. Now, fast food is the norm. These are simple examples to illustrate how different life was at different times. I take this simple illustration to the Bible. Life in each Dispensation is VERY different. One major error is not caring in which time period something happened. I assure you that you will come up with all sorts of crazy if you eschew Dispensations.

I will try to provide more practical examples from the Bible to make this clearer. One must take the Old Testament as a time period with certain rules. These rules only apply in the Old Testament time. They do not apply before. They do not apply after. Prior to the Old Testament time was lawlessness. When Adam and Eve were created, they had no rules. They had no laws. Life was perfect in paradise.God still did not have rules until people started becoming very depraved. Men were having sex with angels. Men were shoving their daughter outside of their homes to have sex with strangers. People were murdering people. If God had not stepped in, there would not have been a virgin to whom Jesus could be born. God’s plan will not be thwarted.

Hence, God gave rules or law.The laws were in the Book of Leviticus. There are hundreds of tiny,tiny minute laws. The Orthodox Jews follow them today. People had to try to follow every single one of them. Because this was impossible, God allowed for each person to sacrifice an animal. If a man broke a law without the proper sacrifice of an animal, God could kill him. This happened when one unfortunate man touched the arc when he slipped. No small error was allowed. God killed him on the spot.You may think is is because God is a mean, unfair God. However, it was for a very specific reason and one that few understand. All these laws were given to show man that he could not follow them. Please, highlight this in your brain because it is of utmost importance.

Many people, today, feel very guilty for breaking small laws such as pettiness, jealousy, lust etc. This shows a glaring misunderstanding of the Bible. The OT man and the NT man lived under totally different rules.

If you find a Christian who is always trying to be perfect( and we all hate this type) she does not understand the NT times. I will explain. In New Testament times, a person who has accepted Jesus as personal savior and lord can do ANYTHING and not break the law. That person can kill, steal, do terrorism, hate, rape etc and still have God’s grace. Your eyebrows raise. You want to throw tomatoes at me but let me explain. In the NT Dispensation, Jesus has borne all our sins. That means that anything I do is forgiven by God. I can kill a hundred people with a machine gun and still be forgiven. I can hate and act like Hitler and still be forgiven. In fact, God will never cast me out for my actions. Man will punish me. However, Jesus sacrifice made me clean, holy and pure in God’s eyes.

Hence, the NT person who acts like the OT person is violating the Bible. I hate the holier than thou woman. These woman think they will earn their way to God. When someone does this, they do not honor God, they disrespect Him. They disrespect His terrible sacrifice for you. His sacrifice makes you holy no matter what you do. The next question will be”Why should I act right, then? You act right because you want to please God and honor Him. You are so grateful to Him for His Love. You act right to give homage to Him, not to get His grace. You got His grace when He died.

To make this practical, an OT person had to follow every, single, teeny,tiny law.Then, he had to sacrifice an animal to cover the many laws he would violate as NO PERSON could keep the law. That is why Jesus had to die. Jesus could.I have done complicated theology, perhaps. All you have to know for this article and subject is that the OT person follows totally different rules and standards than the NT person. I hope that was clear.

The Second Guideline

2. The second error is in not identifying groups. There are three distinct groups in the Bible and you must not confuse them. If you do, the Bible will not make sense. They are the Jews, the Gentiles( called the nations) and the Church( the saved Jews and Gentiles) Always know who the speaker is and to whom he is speaking. This will eliminate many errors. If you add Dispensations, you will be very accurate in Bible interpretation. I will explain these groups more.

One has to address these groups by putting them in their proper Dispensations. First of all, in the OT, there are two main groups. One is the Jews and the other is the Gentiles. God came to the Jews in the OT times. They were His people. His outreach was to them. Remember the woman with the bread crumbs. God called her a dog and she called herself a dog. This was because the OT was an outreach to the Jews, only.

.However, the NT times are an outreach to the Gentiles,primarily. Individual Jews can be saved.I am one. There will be a remnant of saved Jews in the NT times. That was what is meant by the world remnant.However, the Jews, as a corporate body are blinded.

The Church is saved Gentiles and Jews. That is the meaning of the world “church”. It is not a building. It is not a denomination like Methodist. It is the group of people in this time period who have made Jesus their Lord.

Replacement Theology

This is the last guideline or error. This outer sword of Anti-Semitism allowed bonding and unity between Jewish people which allowed them to stay a unique group for thousands of years Some people have a natural love and heart for the Jews, even if they are not saved.That was put there by God. However, Anti-Semitism came into the church in the doctrine of Replacement Theology.

This doctrine replaces the Jews with the Church.To do this makes the Bible almost total mush. It would be like replacing the Sun with Chiron in the Astrological chart. It would be like replacing the DSC with the ASC. It would be like replacing the Asteroid Valentine with the Asteroid Nessus. It won’t work. Hence, very few people understand the Bible. They miss out on the great personal change that comes as a result. They miss out on finding God, even, all for the purposes of hate. Hatred can do terrible things in people. Everyone is subject to hatred, as well as any other petty, ego driven state.

At any rate, I hope I was clear to those who cared to understand. Please ask any questions related to the topic and thank you for reading!


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Luckily christians can be far more sane than the cr*p you just made here.

But then again they always said evil comes in the form of someone who offers wisdom and salvation while meaning only suffering and hate.

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hhmm... i was unaware that amianne was a degreed theologian...

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posted May 25, 2013 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by emitres:
hhmm... i was unaware that amianne was a degreed theologian...


Go back and read the article my dear friend. The Bible is open to all layman. That is the POINT


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posted May 25, 2013 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Oh learned scribe, then do tell, what was allusion to the hired workers killing the Son in the vineyard?

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posted May 25, 2013 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Oh learned scribe, then do tell, what was allusion to the hired workers killing the Son in the vineyard?


That is people killing Jesus. That seems pretty obvious. Don't you think? I am not asking that with sarcasm and I am not 'oh, learned one". I am a humble student, like you

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posted May 25, 2013 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

That is people killing Jesus. That seems pretty obvious. Don't you think? I am not asking that with sarcasm and I am not 'oh, learned one". I am a humble student, like you



And the owner of the vineyard said what afterwards?


Luv ya AA, merely trying to get one to think.

Keep in mind, as was posted in the other thread, there are 5 covenants God made with mankind, those who twist scripture do not like to speak about all of them, they focus on what suits their agendas.

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I don't claim to know everything. I am a humble student as I said. What did he say because I am in and out of my garden? Then, I will comment.

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posted May 25, 2013 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Padre
I don't claim to know everything. I am a humble student as I said. What did he say because I am in and out of my garden? Then, I will comment.


"...what should happen to those wicked tenants.."?

To be clear here, I'm NOT a replacement theologian, and believe Israel has to find her own path w/o even well meaning interference from the outside.

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posted May 25, 2013 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quote the whole Scripture, please. I am asking so I don't have to look it up. Thanks so much!

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posted May 25, 2013 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think you are Replacement Theology. I feel no hatred from you toward Jews

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After we deal with the vineyard, I would like you to explain what you mean by the 5 Covenants but lets take one thing at a time

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"They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons."

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Originally posted by Padre35:
"They said to him, “He will put those wretches to a miserable death and let out the vineyard to other tenants who will give him the fruits in their seasons."

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I need a larger context. What is the Scripture and I will look it up?

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Matthew 22:33-45

Gosh, what could that mean?

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Originally posted by Padre35:

Matthew 22:33-45

Gosh, what could that mean?



I will look later. Thanks Padre!

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The Parable of the Tenants

33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’[a]?

43 “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44 Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.

45 When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them.


I think this is Jesus and the Jews rejection of him and His going to the Gentiles but I have not looked it up, just going on memory. But, if people use this to say God is done with the Jews, that is 1000% not true.

In the Age of Grace, God comes to the Gentiles and the Jews are partially blinded due to disobedience. However, God put the verse about don't scorn the root( the Jews) because it is the root which bears up you( the Gentiles). If people want to say that God punished the Jews for their disobedience, He did. He partially blinded them, so the Gentiles could come into the Covenant in the Age of Grace. God knew what the Jews would do before they did it. He knows what everyone will do, before they do it. God made a way of salvation for the Jews and the Gentiles.

However, in no way is He is not done with the Jews as individual Jews like I can be saved in the Age of Grace, Also, after the Age of Grace, in the Tribulation( which I forgot in my article ) God turns back to Israel and all Israel will be saved.

Furthermore to all the Jew haters, which is not you, Padre, God left a clear promise. I will bless those who bless thee and curse those who curse thee!This Promise extends over all time and all peoples

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Ah, it does say that however, and most of the pro Israel Christian scholars simply pretend such does not exist.

The 5 Covenants:

Noahidic:

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The Lord promised Noah and his descendants that He would never destroy the world again with a universal flood (Gen. 9:15). The Lord made an everlasting covenant with Noah and his descendants, establishing the rainbow as the sign of His promise (Gen. 9:1-17).

Another part of the covenant involved the sanctity of human life, i.e., that "whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed; for in the image of God He made man" (Gen. 9:6). Every time we see a rainbow today we are reminded of that agreement -- this covenant has not been done away with. As long as God still sends rainbows after a storm, capital punishment will still be a part of God's law for the human race.



Abrahamic:

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God's Covenant With Abraham

In making a covenant with Abraham, God promised to bless his descendants and make them His own special people -- in return, Abraham was to remain faithful to God and to serve as a channel through which God's blessings could flow to the rest of the world (Gen. 12:1-3).


Mosaic:

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Moses then wrote the conditions of the covenant down, offered sacrifices to God, and then sprinkled both the book and the people with blood to seal the covenant (Exo. 24:8). This covenant between God and the people of Israel was temporary -- God promised a day when He would make a new covenant, not only with Israel but also with all mankind. "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah -- not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people" (Jer. 31:31-34).

Davidic:

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God's Covenant With David

Another covenant was between God and King David, in which David and his descendants were established as the royal heirs to the throne of the nation of Israel (2 Sam. 7:12-13).

This covenant agreement reached its fulfillment when Jesus, a descendant of the line of David, was born in Bethlehem. The gospel of Matthew starts off by showing Christ was "the Son of David" (Matt. 1:1), and thus He had the right to rule over God's people. Peter preached that Jesus Christ was a fulfillment of God's promise to David (Acts 2:29-36).


Christian:

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The "new covenant" is the new agreement God has made with mankind, based on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The concept of a new covenant originated with the promise of Jeremiah that God would accomplish for His people what the old covenant had failed to do (Jer. 31:31-34; Heb. 11:7-13). Under this new covenant, God would write His Law on human hearts.

When Jesus ate the Passover meal at the Last Supper with His disciples, He spoke of the cup and said, "this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins" (Matt. 26:28). Luke's account refers to this cup as symbolizing "the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you" (Luke 22:20).


Do notice, the final covenant is w/Christ himself, and voided the older ones (Save for the Noahdic one which applicable to all of mankind not only believers)

And once again, this is never discussed by the "Israel is God's chosen people" teachers.

Perhaps they still are, at least some, as Paul alludes to in Romans, however that is purely God's Grace and not based on the older Covenants.

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Ah, it does say that however, and most of the pro Israel Christian scholars simply pretend such does not exist.

The 5 Covenants:


No, The Jews were blinded for their disobedience as a corporate body but individual Jews can come into the new body which is the Church made up of saved Jews and Gentiles.

All my teachers are Pro_Israel. They would not be my teacher if they hated Israel. They all say everything true about the Jews--- both good and bad. I am not afraid of ANY truth in the Bible. I am disgusted with the people who hate Israel but that is between them and the God of Israel whether or not they know it

What are the 5 Covenants, Padre?

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I edited to add them AA, and there they are, as for "hating" Israel, imo don't know how one can claim to be a Christian and anti Israel or anti Jewish in general.

However I do hold the radical notion that the Israelis are better off when they look out for themselves with no outside help. They live in a very dangerous, hostile region and really, they have to rely on themselves not anyone else.

That builds toughness and seriousness in people and nations. When you rely on others support you take your destiny out of your own national hands.

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Ah, it does say that however, and most of the pro Israel Christian scholars simply pretend such does not exist.

The 5 Covenants:

Noahidic: Do notice, the final covenant is w/Christ himself, and voided the older ones (Save for the Noahdic one which applicable to all of mankind not only believers)

And once again, this is never discussed by the "Israel is God's chosen people" teachers.

Perhaps they still are, at least some, as Paul alludes to in Romans, however that is purely God's Grace and not based on the older Covenants.



NO, it did not VOID it. Here you are 100000% wrong. It is a different Dispensation. In the Tribulation, all Israel will be saved. There was a HIATUS in which God turned to the Gentile and individual Jews who would accept him, like me. We are the remnant. God never, ever, ever broke His promises to the Jews. God can never break promises. If He did the Heavens would fall to the earth.

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This is the thing with groups of people
You have to separate groups and Dispensations and do them both at the same time.

In the NT times there is the Church( saved Jews and Gentiles), the nations( unsaved Gentile nations) and Israel which is NOT saved, by in large.

God will turn back to Israel during the Tribulation. The Church should be gone in the Rapture but please know that God is not done with the Jews and never will be! God said that all Israel will be saved. This occurs at the end of the Tribulation but Israel is the apple of God's eye. He loves her dearly. The Church does not REPLACE Israel in any way,shape or form. They are two different groups! This was the point of my writing the article, Padre.

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Furthermore, the Battle of Armeggedon is JESUS fighting all Israel's enemies. If He was done with her, the Bible would end with the Church group. The Bible goes on to the Tribulation and Millenium!

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You can ask me any question you want. Don't be afraid that I will think you hate Jews. I know your heart and that you don't!

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NO, it did not VOID it. Here you are 100000% wrong. It is a different Dispensation. In the Tribulation, all Israel will be saved. There was a [b] HIATUS
in which God turned to the Gentile and individual Jews who would accept him, like me. We are the remnant. God never, ever, ever broke His promises to the Jews. God can never break promises. If He did the Heavens would fall to the earth.


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Odd, my Bible says otherwise, "..here is your bill of Divorce.."

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I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery.

Jer 3:8

That one also tends to be skipped over, ignored, pretend it does not exist etc.

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7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12

Hebrews 8

Now, I do realize this is inconvenient for one to consider, however, a good discussion SHOULD challenge deeply held views.

As re-examination leads to even deeper conviction as it stretches the mind.

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