posted February 10, 2007 03:14 PM           

Fohat is closely related to the "ONE LIFE." From the Unknown One, the Infinite TOTALITY, the manifested ONE, or the periodical, Manvantaric Deity, emanates; and this is the Universal Mind, which, separated from its Fountain-Source, is the Demiurgos or the creative Logos of the Western Kabalists, and the four-faced Brahma of the Hindu religion. In its totality, viewed from the standpoint of manifested Divine Thought in the esoteric doctrine, it represents the Hosts of the higher creative Dhyan Chohans. Simultaneously with the evolution of the Universal Mind, the concealed Wisdom of Adi-Buddha - the One Supreme and eternal - maifests itself as Avalokiteshwara (or manifested Iswara), which is the Osiris of the Egyptians, the Ahura-Mazda of the Zoroastrians, the Heavenly Man of the Hermetic philosopher, the Logos of the Platonists, and the Atman of the Vedantins. By the action of the manifested Wisdom, or Mahat, represented by these innumerable centres of spiritual Energy in the Kosmos, the intellectual Force accompanying such ideation, becomes objectively the Fohat of the Buddhist esoteric philosopher. Fohat, running along the seven principles of AKASA, acts upon manifested substance or the One Element, as declared above, and by the differentiating it into various centres of Energy, sets in motion the law of Cosmic Evolution, which, in obedience to the Ideation of the Universal Mind, brings into existence all the various states of being in the manifested Solar System.
~~~

posted February 10, 2007 04:33 PM         

Wow, your posts have simply overwhelmed me! Your so sweet to post all that. Thank you.I think your more advanced in the study of general metaphysics than I am. So you'll have to forgive me if I'm unfamiliar with some of the material.
You already have the Chaldean oracles? well you beat me on that one,lol. Good for you. I've only glanced at them. I'm sure your right that they are off in some places. The way I look at it ,is if I get one pearl, one gem from even a whole book I'm happy.
I'll try to respond to some of your posts ,but you have really have me at a disadvantage with some of the material.
I love the idea of taurus being the One. Simply because I never would have made the connection. Since in western astrology taurus is ruled by venus(duality,relationship)it's fascinating to think of it as the One!When it is attached to Aleph though it makes a strong case. Wow, I'll have to think on that for a while!
Also the idea of pleiades as a cosmic center
is fascinating! I like the idea of a galactic astrology where ultimatley, perhaps all of creation is our "Chart".
Also vedic astrology considers the moonstar "Mula" meaning "root" in sanskrit, the galactic center,where the creative energies of the divine enetered creation. Mula is located in Sagittarius, ruled by Jupiter or "guru' in their system. Since it's the positive expression of Jupiter it is the most sattvic and enlightemed energy in the universe.So there's a parallel for you.
Foaht sounds to me like the tao. An unmanifest eternity endlessly emanating! That's the mystery and miracle of existance itself.Something so full in it's emptiness,that it overflows into everything,unselfconciously aware!I almost think of it as a loving happiness so uncontainable that's it's joy just flew into every concievable expression!So happy it can't help itself!
I also agree that the many creation myths and systems can make you feel like your wandering through a maze. But one quote from a native american book helped me. It more or less said that "the great mystery is so vast that no one people could contain it. Each has a little portion of it according to their own understanding." So I just read things and if they resonate i add them to my set of ideas ,if not i move on. But I see none of them as infallible! No one is infallible.no one really takes on complete authority to me or has all the answers,which is nice cause it still leaves room for people like us to find a few of em;-)!
Now to some of your questions:
1. DNA= 10?: the only thing I can think of off hand is the obvious connection to mlachut, manifest creation. The vessel for all encoded information in creation.
2. genes=21. Well, again the idea that comes to mind for me is "The World " card. it seems to be mirroring the malchut theme of dna and genetics. The spiral of eternity in manifestation.
If I may interrpt here for a sec,Here's one for you:What I find fascinating is that 32 reduces to 5. meaning all the 32 paths are ultimatlely mind! Also we have 32 teeth which is how we communicate. Leading back to 5(mercury,words). Words and mind are the universe.I really think words are so amazing.I think of them as a bridge between souls that allows our sprits to soar over matter!

Also ,I like your lexigram of atom, that's very clever!

3.The 231 gates? are all the possible pairing of the hebrew letters that are used as a meditative technique. They also explain concepts and ideas and define words more clearly.231=6 So maybe the message is the gates of wisdom are opened through love.
32=5 the paths are of the mind
231=6 but the gates only open when the heart(love) is pure!

Anyway Lotusheartone,

My time at the library is up.
Thank you again for your wonderful posts and the angelic way you write. I'll try to study up on some more mysteries. i have so much stuf to read and so many ideas. but the clock on the computer seems rather indifferent to that,lol!

posted February 10, 2007 05:12 PM           

and 5 and the 6 = 1 1 the pillars
to each gate..

Sirius, Pleiades the gateway to the Heavens

the numbers are funny... keys

I was born 5-5-1966
5+5+22=32=5

as I have been shone in meditation, and visions, we have 5 regions, 5 continents
in the last creation...
this formed 5 couples = 10
5 eden gardens

these 10 held hands around the Tree Life
before going to each region
a ceremony of the laws
and how to create
God MOther and Father
made 12 they are 2 in 1
13 = God

our natural time piece
13 months, 28 days a month
364 days a year
a simple Sun-Dial
is all that is need

12 is the victum the sacrifice...
an unnatural time piece
counting every second of the day
taking our long-life 1,000 years
of Earth age
to what it is today

Sky, all this information
is contained within from
Mind to OverSoul=God
we are all born with
the same divine gifts=divinity

we repsresent our Creators
and are co-creators with them

I am reminded of Plato
"if you take a person to a diagram, then you can show most clearly that learning is recollection."

we just need to remember
and we all need each other
to figure it out...

we are all equal. ...

God only enters into equal partnerships... .

LOts of LOve to ALL...

the circle and cross
4 points in a circle
a foundation
of the Golden Egg...
with pureness of Heart
for the Good of ALL

a Heart of Gold
infinity 8 Fate
face The Wheel
within wheels
the carousels of Life
spinning...
pirouette out!
hehe

posted February 10, 2007 07:12 PM           

motion-blavatsky

THE SVASTICA

The Svastika is the most philosophically scientific of all symbols, as also the most comprehensible. It is the summary in a few lines of the whole work of creation, or evolution, as one should rather say, from Cosmo-theogony down to Anthropogony, from the indivisble unknown Parabrahm to the humble moneron of materialistic science, whose genesis is as unknown to that science as is that of All-Diety itself. The Svastica is found heading the religious symbols of every old nation. It is the "Workers Hammer" in the Chaldean Book of Numbers, the "Hammer" just referred to in the "Book of Concealed Mystery" "which striketh sparks from the flint" (Space), those sparks becoming worlds. It is "Thor's Hammer,: the magic weapon forged by the dwarfs against the Giants, or the pre-cosmic Titanic forces of Nature, which rebel and, while alive in the region of matter, will not be subdued by the Gods, the Agents of Universal Harmony, but have first to be destroyed. This is why the world is formed out of relics of the murdered Ymir. The Svastica is the Miolnir, the "storm-hammer"; and therefore it is said that when the Ases, the holy gods, after having been purified by fire (th fire of passions and suffering in their life-incarnation), become fit to dwell in Ida in eternal peace, then Miolnir will become useless. This will be when the bonds of Hel (the goddess-queen of the region of the Dead) will bind them no longer, for the kingdom of evil will have passed away. Surtur's flames had not destroyed them, nor yet had the raging waters" of the several deluges....."Then came the sons of Thor. They brought Miolnir with them, no longer as a weapon of war, but as the hammer with which to consecrate the new heaven and the new Earth....."*

*See "Asgard and the Gods", The Renewal of the World."
~~~

will continue later...

posted February 10, 2007 07:46 PM           

as above so below

the Giza Pyramid
being the same underneath
but opposite

posted February 10, 2007 09:01 PM           

Verily many are its meanings! In the Macrocosmic work, the "HAMMER OF CREATION," with its four arms bent at right angles, refers to the continual motion and revolution of the invisible Kosmos of Forces. In that of manifested Kosmos and our Earth, it points to the rotation in the cycles of Time and of the world's axes and their equatorial belts; the two lines forming the svastica

* picture of a svastica* hehe

meaning Spirit and Matter, the four hooks suggesting the motion in the revolving cycles. Applied to the Microcosm, Man, it shows him to be a link between heaven and Earth: the right hand being raised at the end of a horizontal arm, the left pointing to the Earth. In the Smaragdine Tablet of Hermes, the uplifted right hand is inscribed with the word "Solve," the left with the word "Coagula." It is at one and the same time an Alchemical, Cosmogonical, Anthropological, and Magical sign, with seven keys to itsto its inner meaning. It is not too much to say that the compound symbolism of this universal and most suggestive of signs contains the key to the seven great mysteries of Kosmos. Born in the mystical conceptions of the early Aryans, and by them placed at the very threshold of eternity, on the head of the serpent Ananta, it found its spiritual death in the scholastic interpretations of mediaeval Anthropomorphists. It is the Alpha and the Omega of universal creative Force, evolving from pure Spirit and ending in gross Matter. It is also the key to the cycle of Science, divine and human; and he who comprehends its full meaning is for ever liberated from the toils of Mahamaya, the great Illusion and Deceiver. The light that shines from under the divine hammer, now degraded into the mallet or gavel of the Grand Masters of Masonic Lodges, is sufficient to dissipate the darkness of any human schemes or fictions.
~~~~~

Solve = loves

posted February 10, 2007 09:05 PM           

does this refer to blood?

together to cause, to become semisolid, clot...

posted February 10, 2007 10:10 PM           

How prophetic are the songs of the three Norse Goddesses, to whom the ravens of Odin whisper of the past and the future, as they flutter around in their abode of crystal beneath the flowing river. The songs are all written down in the "Scrolls of Wisdom," of which many are lost but some still remain: and they repeat in poetical allegory the teachings of the archaic ages. To summarise from Dr. Wagner's "Asgard and the Gods," the "renewal of the world," which is a prophecy about the seventh Race of our Round told in the past tense.
The Miolnir had done its duty in this Round, and: - ".... on the field of Ida, the field of resurrection (for the Fifth Round), the sons of the highest gods assembled, and in them their fathers rose again (the Egos of all their past incarnations). They talked of the Past and the Present, and remembered the wisdom and prophecies of their ancestor which had all been fulfilled. Near them, but unseen of them, was the strong, the mighty One, who rules all things....and ordains the eternal laws that govern the world. They all knew he was there, they felt his presence and his power, but were ignorant of his name. At his command the new Earth rose out of the Waters of Space. To the South above the field of Ida, he made another heaven called Audlang, and further off a third, Widblain. Over Gimil's cave, a wondrous palace was erected, covered with gold and shining bright in the sun." These are the three gradually ascending planets of our "Chain." There the Gods were enthroned, as they used to be....From Gimil's heights (the seventh planet or globe , the highest and the purest), they looked down upon the happy descendents of LIF and LIFTHRASIR (the coming Adam and Eve of purified humanity), and signed to them to CLIMB up higher, to rise in knowledge and wisdom, step by step, from one "heaven to another," until they were at last fit to be united to the Gods in the house of All-Father.
He who knows the doctrines of Esoteric Budhism (or isdom), though so imperfectly sketched hitherto, will see clearly the allegory contained in the above.
~~~~~

one more post will finish the svastica...will post it soon...

posted February 10, 2007 11:38 PM           

Break on through to the Other side
L.A. Woman
Kiss me two times

the Doors

Svastica continued...

It's most philosophical meaning will be better understood if the reader thinks carefully over the myth of Prometheus. It is examined further on in the light of the Hindu Pramantha. Degraded into a purely physiological symbol by some Orientalists, and taken in connection with terrestrial fire only, their interpretation is an insult to every religion, including Christianity, whose greatest mystery is thus dragged down to matter. The "friction" of divine Pramantha and Arani could suggest itself under this image only to the brutal conceptions of the German materialists--than whom there are none worse. It is true that the Divine babe, Agni with the Sanskrit-speaking Race, who become Ignis with the Latins, is born from the conjunction of Pramantha and Arani (Svastica) during the sacrificial ceremony. But what of that? Twashtri (Viswakarman) is the "divine artist and carpenter" and is also the Father of the gods and of creative fire in the Vedas. So ancient is the symbol and so sacred, that there is hardly an excavation made on the sites of old cities without its being found. A number of such terra cotta discs, called fusaiolos, were found by Dr. Schliemann under the ruins of ancient Troy. Both these forms

*two pictures of svastica's
one is a normal one with dots in each arm
the other is a cross that's even, with a dot in each arm, and there is a circle in the middle*

were excavated in great abundance, their presence being one more proof that the ancient Trojans and their ancestors were pure Aryans.
~~~~~

okay back to numbers

SOLVE
37365 = 24 = 6

COAGULA
3713631 = 24 = 6

interesting!

posted February 12, 2007 04:58 PM         

Sorry to repsond so late ,but the library is closed on Sunday:-(. Anyhoo, wow,another oberwhelming colossal post! This stuff is so dense and fascinating! I don't even know where to begin! I could write a whole post on just about every line of your posts ,if i had the time I just might;-)Really lovely posts though. I appreciate the time that you must use to craft them.

Oh, before I forget I came across a really good book about history that I thought you'd like. It's so interesting and quirky. It's called "Quest for the Past" and it's put out by readers digest. What a strange and interesting book. It's filled with brief little one or two page stories on some of the more off beat and weird things in history. I really think you'll like it!
Now on with the post!

You are pretty prolific lotus! Blavatsky worte about a billion pages I think too,lol!Wow I almost ran out of time just reading your posts. I can only respond quickly because the computer clock is ticking here at the library.

Fohat seems almost like a composite term taking up much of what in other systems is delegated to other beings and gods. She compares it to both brahma and atman,which is sort of unusual. Macro and micro principle?

Why do you equate god with the number 13? I can't quite make the connection yet.

5+6 = 11 pillars of each gate. Could you explain that a little more please. do you mean the pillars of the tree of life?

I like 12 = Mother/father that's a nice idea! 2 in 1 . As i get older I become more of a centerist . Balence is the key! You have these ingenious little ideas and Ilove the way you put them!

I think you are very wise lotus!And your poems are pretty!

After reading the posts on the svastika, it makes me even sadder to know that such a profund and beautiful symbol was used for such destructive and tragic ends in the last century.

I Like the Doors too. Jimmy M was such a cool and powerful person really a dervish and sage locked up in trobled soul.

Blavatsky always mentions the "Chaldean book of Numbers" I'd love to read the darn thing ,but it's suppossed to be lost in "antiquity".Who knows? Maybe some dig in some remote place will bring it back to Barnes and Noble ,lol.

Loves=solve. brilliant ,cool stuff, you must be thinking 24/7 to always come up with these things! Your a very bright person!Love and solve are both ideas of unity, fantastic!

Love and Egypt also are both 21 in chaldean numerology (the world card)Saturn.Why would love be equated with Saturn? Although venus is an earthy energy and saturn is the most powerful earth energy. Maybe it just means the world is made of love or it's origins are in it.
I agree with you that we all can uncover the mysteries. Maybe each one of us, each soul is a vital piece of the total puzzle of creation! We all are the all and also a separate and important part of it.

You mention the pyrimid of geza. Maybe the pyrimids were models of the tree of life, if not the whole tree then the upper three or in the case of larger ones maybe the lower half is burried unde ground!

I was reading a bit the other day about the Book of Thoth and it's cool that some people refer to the tarot as such. It seems an endless source of mystery and wisdom our little deck! The book of thoth ,as you know, was the most potent book of egyptian magic . to equate the tarot with that is a tall order, but i never rule out anything either. I've learned to be humble;-)

It's very nice to share this path of mysteries with you lotus.I wish I had more computer time. This is all so rushed!

thank you so much for the prism of your words that you disperse into so many beautiful colors!

posted February 12, 2007 05:31 PM         

Talk to you tomorrow!

posted February 12, 2007 05:41 PM           

Quest for the Past, has been added to my b-day list...

1 1 are two indivuals, who must learn to work with balance, Temperance..they must negate the negative forces

1 2 is the teacher and student 2 the submissive, female, the one who washes his feet..yet this goes both way..bith must surrender

1 3 is the two in one, being at one with one another, it equals 4 Uranos, the First Father..with the first MOther Gaia...
12 + 1 = 13 seen as the Mystical Master

you see, God MOther and Father are here and always will be..
each couple a representation...
a mirror

After Uranus died...

his son Cronus, and Rhea ruled
and so on, who were alos Nut and Seb
and Osiris and Isis

the soul pieces carry over
from one life to another
memories trapped in these
bodies...through Our Mind
Universal

8 the 8 pointed star of Venus 8 is Saturn the Planet of Karma
associated with 17 the Star of the Magi, it represents a truly divine and blessed energy, a promise of being able to OverCome all Odds...

the Svastica, associated with Hitler, and the Aryans of Troy, a pure race
the masonic lodges, the brotherhood
who have been overcome with greed power by ego..
have lost their way

and no longer hold the Secrets or the blood lines, for the humble shall inherit the Earth,
for GOd enters into honest equal partnerships...

the Pyramid a
square 4 point base
4 sides
and a point
a base 1
4 sides
= 5 sides

and one re=verse on the bottom
= 5 sides
but in reality the base is shared
so it equals 8/9 time
and life force energy
6 on each with the point added

or 4 ppoints and top point = 5 Earth Magic!

= 10 Wheel of Fortune

now a point at each end
1 and 1

11 12

in my vision of the past
the pyramid had a golden capstone
a stone crystal was eencased in this
gold cap

light shining in four diecrtions
and up the through the top
pointing to heaven

the other points to the center of the Earth

the balance
the axis

that we have thrown off
with all our negative forces

123 the abc building block of Soul Spirit
4 equals the foundation
of this worlds material existence the Square..
belongs to this world

the Circle represents all life cycles, soul cycles there are no angles in the Heavens only the Music of the Spheres...

we must learn to balance this plane
of existence, balance our Karma

the end is the beginning
the serpent swallowing it's tail
Eternity

Pax et Bonum

posted February 12, 2007 05:53 PM           

the 7 fold spirit the 7 soul pieces required
to be whole, Mastered...

7 is the line that goes form top point to bottome point..the line of Heaven and Earth

posted February 13, 2007 07:52 PM         

Another cool post. First let me thank you for your kind words this time:-) I feel you have a distinct talent for writting in that style you do. Some of your ideas are not only brilliant,but expressed beautifully! You should write a book! And even though your way of writing is enigmatic it is also very lucid for me. So much so that it makes certain ideas make more sense than ever! So thanks!

What are your feelings about the atribution of 11 to the "strength " card in some writtings. do you feel 11 is really "temeprance"? Also how do you pair up the symbolism fo 11 in pythagorean numerology as a master number with chaldean ideas which do not seem as focussed on master numbers.

Also what do you think about master numbers in general?
In the pythagorean system I am an 11 in my name. In the chaldean system my common name equals 22. Sometimes i feel some of these designations fit,sometimes not. I read something on 11 in a pythagorean book(By Hans Decoz) and the things he said sounded so much like my childhood and expiriences that I alsmost cried, I was so surprised and yet I'm not sure. tell me your thoughts,please.

I loved the stuff you wrote about the pyramids! The base is four and the top one and five sides. It's all new ideas to me . It's so exciting to hear new things!

If you think about it.
Add one,the top, to four the base,to five sides and three for the triangle and you get 13 again! 1+4+5+3=13

Also your posts point out to me as i suspected before that your knowledge of general metaphyscis is much more advanced than my own.
I tend to be a specialist and know astrology very well and eastern religious ideas somewhat,but am sadly lacking in metaphysical foundations in general. Much to learn and much fun ahead!
Anyway,

The computer clock is ticking and my time draws to a close!

Thanks Lotus, for lending me a moment and for offering for the comfort of your words, that sing such lovely songs!

Sky

posted February 13, 2007 08:10 PM           

funny 11 is the lion muzzled, clenched fist..
VIII strength in the tarot
is a woman, having tamed the Lion
so there is a connection
of the 1 and 1 compromising
yet still standing strong
allowing the winds
of Heaven
to dance through them
the making of a perfect
relationship. ...

a master number indeed
I think the master numbers should continue
33 44 55 and so on

I have not yet encountered the
pythagorean numerology
I have found the one
Linda gave us
to be right on!

my knowledge, is what is shone to me
from God, and that this information
has been with me since the beginning

in My Mind it is all
very simple
Gooberology. ...

I have made amazing diagrams
even for astrolgy
flower after flower
the inter-locking pairs

back to numerology

this numerical systems were created
so very long ago

that we have advanced
to putting forth
all master numbers
even 111 222 333

when numbers show up
like this
or in sequence
123 456 789

there are very stron messages attached
a mystery to unlock
I LOve Numbers!

and I LOve this World
and I want Us all to work
together and fix it!

I am In Awe
and Wonder
of God and the Universe
and all of Us

I want people to
see and hear the magic
that I do

that it is for everyone. ...

LOve LOve LOve

posted February 14, 2007 06:46 PM         

Thank you too! Another wonderful post!
I love the image of astrological charts being flowers! That's a very beautiful image!
I'd really beinterested in seeing your diagrams sometime!
So you think 11 does correspond to "stength"? So do I. I think that it was done so because it throws off the order of the zodiac in the cards as a blind.4=Areis,5=Taurus,6=gemini,7=cancer,8=libra.Leo then comes at 11 instead of 8. So the uninitiated would be mistaken perhaps.

You like the idea of master numbers going higher . I'll have to think abiut that. I wasn't sure they did. Although why not? Astrology is an ever evolving art,why not munerology. I'm going to start expirimenting with the higher numbers. I'll tell you what i come up with;-)

I agree that Chaldean Numerology is definitly the most profound! The pythagorean system was derived from it. Chaldean numerology is so accurate and mystically present that I can't think of any other system that can match it in it's scope and wisdom. It really is the book of heaven!

I learned a new kabbalistic technique last night. You simply fold over the hebrew alphabet 1-11 and list the letters underneath that correspond to 12-22. This way you can find realtionships between letters and words and also write codes. It's all so endless isn't it?

Also the 119th psalm was really written as an acrostic. In fact it is the only acrostic of it's type in all known books.They could not reproduce it in english and so they put the hebrew letters next to each one to note the relationship!

Aww, your sentiments at the end of your post are so loving and beautiful.You really are a special soul you know. Such warm and heartfelt words!
Thank you for sharing with me again!
And for giving me a few moments of joy!
I hope you know, you have a magical voice Lotus,all your words seem fastened to the slim beam of a dream!

posted February 14, 2007 07:37 PM           

1-11 and
12-22 with the hebrew alphabet, ingenious
can't wait to try it, is this how you got
the 231 gate?

the number for the signs to seem to
be at odds...
Libra and Virgo
seen to be later additions

since taurus and gemini
seem to have already existed
the mother and her twins

oh there is a mystery to un-lock
here

there is something hidden
yet to be revealed...

O Pluto, first Mother
1 Sun , first son
2 Moon , first daughter
* are the above correct? or made this way simply for symbolism?
3 Jupiter, another first son
4 Uranus, first Father
strange, hehe
5 Mercury twins
6 Venus
tricks of LOve, lol
7 Neptune another son or Father?
8 Saturn Son of Uranus and Gaia
they were not in this material
life fully yet...and Father to Zues
with his Rhea EARTH HEART RHEA HERA HEAR HER
9 Mars a Son
10 Earth, born forth from the sea

Image 10

why 12 signs
why do libra and virgo have to share a planet
that is absurd..hehe..makes no sense
a trick

why is Zues 3 when his Father is 8

are these changes due to karma, and falls?

11 and 12 but be the first off-spring
of the Mother and Father
Pan-Hours and Vulcan

Sky I am computer illiterate and do not know how to pictures on, I will ask my cousin for help..see what I can do for the diagrams...

are the twins Gemini supposed to get 11 ?
two of the same?

I think we need all the planets
to join in and help us...

I'll have to work on this some more...

Thanks so much SkyFysh
for bringing all this wonderful
things up!

LOts of LOve to EveryOne. ..

posted February 14, 2007 09:03 PM           

0 un-named 13
1 January Capricorn Saturn 8
2 February Aquarius Uranus 4
3 March Pisces Neptune 7
4 April Aries Mars 9
5 May Taurus Venus 6
6 June Gemini Mercury 5
7 July Cancer Moon 2
8 August Leo Sun 1
9 September Virgo Mercury 5
10 October Libra Venus 6
11 November Scorpio Pluto 0
12 December Sagittarius Jupiter 3

there are certainly some discrepancies
in the flow of the numbers...

posted February 15, 2007 05:55 PM         

Another inspiriing post! As usual I have little time to post and it seems even less time to think ,but I'll do my best!

Ok, so you do think "Strength" is the card that vibrates to 11. In some decks "Justice" is the card that is given the 11th position.Which is a libra vibe. It's hard to know which really!

The permutation technique I mentioned is not related to the 213 gates to my knowledge. The 213 gates are all the possible pairings of the hebrew alef bet. Used to attain deeper insight into the meaning of owrds and letters and also as a meditative technique.I've seem some three dimensional diagrams of the 213 gates that are really cool. You should see if you can find it online!

My guess as to why Virgo and Libra get mixed up in some of the decks is that whoever constructed the deck wanted to throw people off a bit by not following the logical order. I don't claim to yet know exactly which deck is correct.

I liked your listing of the planets and numbers. Your designation sounds right.I like the families you construct with the symbolism. Mars by the way in Vedic astrology is known as the son of saturn. No doubt related to mars's exaltaion in capricorn.
Why 12 signs? Good question. My guess is that the signs are representative of unity in duality. 1 + 2= 12.

Why does traditional astrology give libra and virgo a planet with other signs. My guess is that venus ( In the case of Libra and Taurus) is a relational energy and therefore is dual,allowing it to rule two signs. Makes sense since venus is about partnership and friends. As far as mercury ruling gemini and virgo ,it's the same idea again. Mercury is a planet of mutability and duality. A planet of twins. Maybe virgo and gemini are the twins!

Why is zeus 3 and the fahter 8? Well you have two principles of Father. The macrocosmic Father zeus. Lofty and otherworldy and expansive. Then you have the microcosmic father . Earthy and contractive. One brings growth ,the other restricts and limits. So they are the same energy is different forms of manifestation and playing different roles. That's my guess.

I liked your number month and planet chart. Also if you add all the cards lotus,you get 213! The 213 gates ofthe Sephir Yetzira!

Must go now!

Thanks for you sweet and fascinating post!

posted February 15, 2007 06:13 PM           

See, I don't see a separation from
Heaven and Earth
from Father and MOther

for each in Heaven is represented here..
unless they are mastered in Heaven
and can travel .. or assist..
where needed...

So, yes Maybe Zues in Heaven
but would not have been here physically
I'm finding it hard to explain mySelf

the problem is the numbers
and signs are ascue
to keep things hidden

why is 2 in the Tarot High Priestess
and not the Moon

why is 18 the Moon and not spiritual-material conflict

why is 15 the Devil, and not the Magicican who is 1

why is 19 the Sun and not the Prince of Heaven, when 1 should be the Sun

lol,
My Mind just goes and goes
trying to connect the pieces
of the puzzle...

these discrepancies are clues. ...

what if the point of center
for the zodiac wheel
really should be the Pleiades???

what if Earth should be a sign
of it's own..
and the Center Heaven
be our starting point

crazy idea's

posted February 15, 2007 09:31 PM           

and Vulcan must be a second Sun?

seems we had Two Suns before?

I saw one on each side of the Great Pyramid
in My Mind. ...