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leapinglemur14
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posted May 14, 2009 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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katatonic
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posted May 14, 2009 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i wish you luck, leaping, and that you can build a love without abuse laced through it. of course abuse is a broad term that we all interpret in our own ways.

my father had "rage" problems. he was raised by a sweet father and a mother who had narrowly escaped the cossacks in russia after they destroyed her village and dragged the rest of her family to their bloody death behind their horses. she never recovered and in those days there was not much counseling available and no meds for the kind of psychosis she carried for the rest of her days.

she obviously had her good moments but being russian she was prone anyway to lavish displays of emotion, and apparently my dad, her favourite and her baby, took the brunt of her uncontrollable temper, often in public; as an adult he was prone to outbursts - a notoriously sweet-tempered taurus with mars conj venus in aries which conjuncted my mom's heavily controlled (repressed?) aries sun. a wrong word from her could set off one of those infamous bull-in-a-china-shop taurus rages.

i have three sisters. i was lucky to be born at the right time...so though the sheer volume of my dad's tirades was intimidating, i was lucky enough to be the right age to understand when HE had achieved enough understanding of his anger to explain to me that it wasn't aimed at me at all, it was his own regret and anger which was triggered by various things. my older sisters were already out of the house by then, and my younger sister was too young to have that conversation. his blood pressure killed him at a very early age.

i learned to mentally walk away from him even when i had to be in the same room with his anger. and after living with him few of my peers could ever intimidate me!!

as a result my self-image was not particularly disturbed by his own. but my sisters in their various ways were stamped by it. two are very shy and the other married a man who literally threw her down the stairs (she was pregnant at the time) and got involved with drugs later. still she managed, largely because she had kids to raise on her own, to work through it and has come to terms with it all. AND she is a hepC survivor.

were we abused or did we achieve our strength through adversity? to me it's an open question. i don't think there will ever be a perfect relationship. but i watched my father erupting then apologizing for many years before my mom decided it wasn't good for us kids or her and asked him to leave.

i was spanked only once and i never forgot the lesson, which was about blaming other people to keep myself out of trouble. my dad never raised a hand to any of us at any other time that i know of. he was a basically peace-loving man. but his kind of rollercoaster emotions are frequently the early signs of battering. and at the very least they are dangerous to their owner.

so it's good to get some self-awareness as early as possible. mars in 12 is hard for its owner to understand, and opposing pluto it can be "volatile" to say the least. one can't be triggered without the other. and if you can find out where you are hooked by that, you may both come out stronger.

but patience is not the solution to emotional abuse. if you are truly patient you may learn not to "set off" his triggers. but do you know how many women have been maimed or killed trying to save their man from themselves? please be careful!

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katatonic
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posted May 14, 2009 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
JWHOP:

yes lambchop was cute AND it rhymes with jwhop. i have a white streak running through the middle of my hair (a birthmark) and i have been called

flicka
kate smith
skunk
badger

just for that one feature. i always suggested "flower" (as in bambi) as an alternate. only my husband ever took that one up!!

also as a sturdy, closing on fat, teen i was honoured with the nickname "mack truck". the boy who thought that one up came near to losing his eye when i threw my biggest book at him at point-blank range.

in grade school the school bully broke a couple of ribs when i pushed back. i was nearly suspended (at 8) for "unladylike behaviour". my mother, who no one ever by any stretch of the imagination could call unladylike, pointed out that this kid had intimidated half the school and i was acting in self-defense. end of suspension.

the definition i was taught of the word "lady" - someone who never UNintentionally hurts ANYone's feelings, no matter the provocation.

on that count i don't measure up. maybe by my centenarial...

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Azalaksh
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posted May 14, 2009 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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but patience is not the solution to emotional abuse. if you are truly patient you may learn not to "set off" his triggers. but do you know how many women have been maimed or killed trying to save their man from themselves? please be careful!
I very much agree with your first sentence
But even being "truly patient" may not work in learning how not to set off someone's triggers. Depending on their mood, ANYTHING you say can set off someone's triggers
I don't know where this original discussion was, but I'd like to comment on it from my own experiences with a bipolar man who was not on meds.....

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posted May 14, 2009 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree too.

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katatonic
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posted May 14, 2009 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree zala, i should have emphasized the MAY part of that sentence. because i meant that sometimes one CAN learn not to set off those triggers, but often not. it depends on the circumstances which i don't know fully enough to judge....and even if patience "works" it can be at almost as much emotional cost as repeated nasty arguments.

and you are right, it often makes very little difference. as i mentioned, i learned early that rage is often not caused by its target....i was talking with leaping about this on her thread earlier...

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posted May 15, 2009 05:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kat!
I am the middle child of three girls and I think it was an absolute blessing!
There was never any difference made between girls and boys (because there wasn't any)... and I grew up seeing myself as completely equal to males and capable of physical body, mind and emotional strength.
My mother (Aquarius Sun and Moon) blessed us in this way as she was an independant working mother and my father who though extremely flawed (he was an alcoholic) never uttered a word of sexism.
I am a complete feminist and proud! Men have their place in the kitchen also.
I really admire you as a person... You should never feel ashamed of your anger or strength.... Anger is just a reaction... Ofcourse we should have self-control but if you are aroused to anger there is an emotion underneath that needs recognition and expression so I embrace it.
I think that regardless of age we are all here on Earth at this time because we are at the same level of evolution, thats why the collective unconscious can become conscious. So we are all looking at and towards the same thing but from different angles.
Some angles are more skewed than others though

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posted May 15, 2009 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree completely that anger is nothing to be ashamed of also that the way we express it is all-important. also not letting it run our lives...ie being aware. in fact i have always been proud of my warrior spirit, it has been one of my "issues" tho to keep conscious with it.

i suspect there are all levels of evolvement on the earth right now, from people who are still in complete survival mode to "helpers" who are only here to lead us further on - and that maybe that has always been the case!

you for instance strike me as wise "beyond your years"...

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Quinnie
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posted May 17, 2009 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the compliment!
I suppose that the further evolved souls would help the less evolved onwards... It just doesn't seem like there are too many highly evolved souls about, at least not in my daily living...
I read somewhere that Jupiter trine Neptune in a natal chart indicates an old (wise) soul...

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posted May 17, 2009 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no matter how evolved, coming to earth means immersing oneself in the gravity of the dimension...and forgetting at least for awhile who one really is. as jesus and buddha had to go through "normal" childhoods and youths before they "got it"...

a funny observation i came across somewhere was that it takes, say, a hundred million years to become truly "enlightened"...so another definition of "old soul" is "slow learner"!

i think there have been evolved souls in every age here, but we ALL have to deal with life as it is defined by this planet/ environment...

and if i were to be honest, it seems to me the most evolved souls I have met are considered beyond peculiar by many. but they function in the world with love and kindness nonetheless, carving their own path and "infecting" those around them with whatever eye-opening those people are capable of. which is not to say everyone who teaches you something is "enlightened".

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posted May 17, 2009 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree. The more you open your eyes and heart to wisdom though you see it all around, (just to completely deviate from my previous point, if you carry it in your heart, it stays with and beyond you wherever you go).
Wisdom.... KNowledge of the soul?

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posted May 26, 2009 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diabla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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katatonic
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posted May 27, 2009 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks diabla! you brightened my day!!

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posted May 27, 2009 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diabla!!
I love Jo Wall's work

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katatonic
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posted May 27, 2009 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i've never heard of her before but i like it too. and it looks like she likes escher. he's definitely in there, not so convoluted...

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posted May 29, 2009 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diabla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Katatonic! so happy you liked it

And I love her work too Zala!, it's absolutely wonderful.

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posted May 29, 2009 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I put a link to Josephine Wall's art gallery in my thread.....

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Quinnie
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posted June 05, 2009 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Cool Lady there is ALOT going on at GU, it is getting very tense! How are you coping? I hope you Pisces Moon is not feeling drained by it all hunny... Pisces Mooners are the MOST sensitive I believe (and wisest too).

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posted June 05, 2009 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey, quinnie, how you going? this pisces moon has withdrawn her emotional investment in GU; haven't stopped going there entirely but less...let's just say pisces moon has probably more opportunity than most for the sort of life lessons that might lead to wisdom. the getting is not guaranteed tho!!

one of my sisters sent me a great cartoon the other day...picture of a man at a desk in the buff. voice balloon from offscreen saying "come to bed" and his reply? "i'll be right there, someone is WRONG on the internet!" this is a great nutshell...XX

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posted June 06, 2009 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope we get to meet someday, you're so awesome

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katatonic
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posted June 06, 2009 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks MVM now i'm blushing!! i cannot tell you how much i admire your ability to be charming while arguing!! ...should you want you can come visit me in marin when you're settled here...you have my myspace, where info can be traded a little more privately!!

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oh hell no.
you all are having a party in here without ME?!?!

cool pic daibla.

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leapinglemur14
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posted June 11, 2009 02:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 11, 2009 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes we are. i think diabla purposely put them here for me to stroke my ego with!! how's nyc leaping? and the BF?

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posted June 12, 2009 02:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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