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Lucia23
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posted February 25, 2009 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Babeefoxx, thanks for speaking up.

Lately I've noticed some people on LL who are apparently TRYING to be hurtful. It certainly isn't the majority, but it would be nice if moderators would intervene. It's one thing if a potentially offensive post addresses the thread topic and contributes to the discussion, but quite another if it's kind of a non-sequiter.

(As in the most recent posts in my Scorpio stung Lion thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000854-2.html)

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kaira
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posted February 25, 2009 05:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message
i agree, it was a much more loving, caring place when i first joined. i remember i was going through a tough time, and i had vented about it to the forum, and in a day or two i had 3 pages of responses all giving me advice and inspiring me. it was a nice gesture, one of many.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 25, 2009 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
They do that in LL Central, still, consistently. I've seen nothing but kindness. There maybe a few friendly jabs on here but they're not with ill intentions.

I have noticed a lot of extra sensitivity here lately as well - I think it's Venus Rx.

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snohawk1
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posted February 25, 2009 05:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Ha ha ha, you probably read a bunch of my posts. Cardinal grand cross here so blame it on that, if you'd like.
ha ha ha ha, Lucia, that was totally me. Yeah... I'm not trying to hurt you or offend you, I just had that sort of build up..

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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 25, 2009 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
HA, wow Snohawk. I have no idea how people manage those Grand Crosses...you've got your hands full, and in turn become a handful

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snohawk1
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posted February 25, 2009 05:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Just think about what anybody says, of course. If you know why someone is saying something, or something that contradicts what is being said, then, of course, you've got no reason to be offended. This is what Lucia did, she came back with a bunch of clearly thought to be intelligent people, and noted they're all Leos. Though this didn't cut to any point, it cut the irritation of me out.

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babeefoxx
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posted February 25, 2009 06:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Lucia, somebody who gets it!

If there is love, I'm not feeling it. If moderators are keeping it under control, I'm not seeing it. I won't name any users, but some people are in denial of their actions.

I just think, and maybe I am just sensitive, that any place in which someone opens up about their personal life, that responses should come back in a respectful and tactful manner. I know I appreciate and love good manners, I consider myself very welcoming, open, and social. I'm aware not everyone is like myself, but I do believe that you have to treat others the way you want to be treated.

And also, just because someone doesn't have 8,000 posts doesn't mean they are a newbie. And if they are, I'm sure they'd appreciate being welcomed with open arms .

What ever happened to moondreamer81? I don't know if she changed her name, but she was nice , one of the few people I remember in my LL beginnings.

Sorry if my venting is bothersome, it's been a bad month. Most of the reason why I came back to LL, for some astrological guidance.

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I love my Virgo <3

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ASC: Libra
M: Cancer
V: Taurus
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babeefoxx
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posted February 25, 2009 06:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Not done...

Youth does not mean immaturity, with that being said, I probably should never give away my age until I post my chart! I don't believe that anyone with a "mediocre" question should be ignored or looked down upon. Not all of us are experts (I know I'm definitely not), which is why we ask questions in this forum, we come for a better understanding of things as well as guidance.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 25, 2009 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Well, if I have offended in any way, I am sorry...
I am just very happy to have been here because it's been quite a learning experience. Lots of new knowledge, and it's been wonderful for me. I am sorry that not everyone has been having an easy go of it lately. Maybe it's just a phase.

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babeefoxx
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posted February 25, 2009 07:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Not done...

Youth does not mean immaturity, with that being said, I probably should never give away my age until I post my chart! I don't believe that anyone with a "mediocre" question should be ignored or looked down upon. Not all of us are experts (I know I'm definitely not), which is why we ask questions in this forum, we come for a better understanding of things as well as guidance.

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babeefoxx
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posted February 25, 2009 07:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Lucia, somebody who gets it!

If there is love, I'm not feeling it. If moderators are keeping it under control, I'm not seeing it. I won't name any users, but some people are in denial of their actions.

I just think, and maybe I am just sensitive, that any place in which someone opens up about their personal life, that responses should come back in a respectful and tactful manner. I know I appreciate and love good manners, I consider myself very welcoming, open, and social. I'm aware not everyone is like myself, but I do believe that you have to treat others the way you want to be treated.

And also, just because someone doesn't have 8,000 posts doesn't mean they are a newbie. And if they are, I'm sure they'd appreciate being welcomed with open arms .

What ever happened to moondreamer81? I don't know if she changed her name, but she was nice , one of the few people I remember in my LL beginnings.

Sorry if my venting is bothersome, it's been a bad month. Most of the reason why I came back to LL, for some astrological guidance.

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I love my Virgo <3

S: Aries
ASC: Libra
M: Cancer
V: Taurus
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missneptune
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posted February 25, 2009 07:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I know how you feel. When I joined this forum in 2006, people helped me interpret my chart so kindly and politely and gave some real insight and better grammar, now I fear that someone will deem me egotistical or get annoyed if I question someone's logic. I suppose I'm too serious when it comes to astrology I want everything to be to the fact and intense similar to the 8th house.

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Lucia23
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posted February 25, 2009 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
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ha ha ha ha, Lucia, that was totally me. Yeah... I'm not trying to hurt you or offend you, I just had that sort of build up..

No, Snohawk, I was actually referring to VirgOh's posts, not yours. Your post detailed why you thought somebody might be annoyed by a Leo or want to sting one, based on your own Leo-loathing experiences. I wasn't hurt or offended by it. It actually addressed the post topic. (And was kind of funny.)

Here's what I found offensive, and if I were a mod I would've issued a warning to VirgOh to stay on topic. It didn't completely annoy me until he(?) ignored my questions and reposted basically the same thing, refusing to connect it to the post topic and just basically trying to be mean.

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Thread Topic: Ouch! Scorpio Stung Lion

VirgOh: Go Scorps! LOL

Me: In what sense? That he hurt me? Or, that he's texting and leaving phone messages saying I'm breaking his heart? Are you a big fan of people getting hurt? Or is your comment not in reference to this thread at all? I find it very confusing. That said, I like Scorpios and have some close Scorpio friends, and just because I cannot give this guy another chance doesn't mean I don't care about him, either. We just aren't a good match romantically.

VirgOh: I like Scorpios too. Go Scorps! LOL

Me: I just don't understand how that pertains to this thread. At all. Could somebody help clarify it for me?

CoralBird: It has nothing to do with this thread. Take a look at the ‘Why do I like Pisces’ thread.


To me, this kind of thing is where moderators should come in.

As an 8th houser, I don't mind when I come onto a website looking for comfort and someone posts something really nasty...but when it's not connected to the discussion and/or they won't explain it in context, that's just being a troll.

Note: on that same thread, soooo many LLers posted words of love, comfort, support and encouragement.

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posted February 25, 2009 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libralove09     Edit/Delete Message
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ha ha ha ha, Lucia, that was totally me. Yeah... I'm not trying to hurt you or offend you, I just had that sort of build up..

No, Snohawk, I was actually referring to VirgOh's posts, not yours. Your post detailed why you thought somebody might be annoyed by a Leo or want to sting one, based on your own Leo-loathing experiences. I wasn't hurt or offended by it. It actually addressed the post topic. (And was kind of funny.)

Here's what I found offensive, and if I were a mod I would've issued a warning to VirgOh to stay on topic. It didn't completely annoy me until he(?) ignored my questions and reposted basically the same thing, refusing to connect it to the post topic and just basically trying to be mean.

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Thread Topic: Ouch! Scorpio Stung Lion

VirgOh: Go Scorps! LOL

Me: In what sense? That he hurt me? Or, that he's texting and leaving phone messages saying I'm breaking his heart? Are you a big fan of people getting hurt? Or is your comment not in reference to this thread at all? I find it very confusing. That said, I like Scorpios and have some close Scorpio friends, and just because I cannot give this guy another chance doesn't mean I don't care about him, either. We just aren't a good match romantically.

VirgOh: I like Scorpios too. Go Scorps! LOL

Me: I just don't understand how that pertains to this thread. At all. Could somebody help clarify it for me?

CoralBird: It has nothing to do with this thread. Take a look at the ‘Why do I like Pisces’ thread.


To me, this kind of thing is where moderators should come in.

As an 8th houser, I don't mind when I come onto a website looking for comfort and someone posts something really nasty...but when it's not connected to the discussion and/or they won't explain it in context, that's just being a troll.

Note: on that same thread, soooo many LLers posted words of love, comfort, support and encouragement.

i looked at your thread, i think there was a worse post than that in your topic.

but again..

moderators don't seem to think its a problem.

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Lucia23
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posted February 25, 2009 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I hope mods will take notice of this thread of Babeefoxx's...she's always been one of my favorite LLers.

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snohawk1
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posted February 25, 2009 10:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message
ha ha, I can guess which post that was...

And thanks for being so interested, then.

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babeefoxx
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posted February 26, 2009 02:18 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Aw shucks, Lucia. The same goes for you

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heart cakes
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posted February 26, 2009 03:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message
well i don't personally think mods should get involved in stuff like that. i think if it's not outright mean, and even if it is, why bother taking offense? stuff does seem to be a bit wonky on LL these days. i blame fist of legend. well, i should say, i blame the weirdness on the nuances and the many emotions he brought out in people. as an aquarius, i think it's kind of cool cuz it makes us examine what really matters, an how we can communicate more effectively. but i think if you're having a problem with someone, asking for mod interference is like having a teacher intervene over minor disputes on a playground. it isn't actually gonna solve anything. unless someone's being bullied or there is some real injustice, then people should work stuff out for themselves, and start with themselves.

i don't think there is any less love here. i've been coming here on and off for at least 4 years and things change, there are new people posting all the time, but for the most part, it's pretty respectful and relaxed here. i'm of the mind that that which is truly spiritual and good involves examining the darkness in equal measure. especially our own reactions to that which bothers us. having someone take it away or making more rules around it is only going to bury it deeper into the darkness. and chances are, what we hate is actually not as evil or wrong as we think it is.

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posted February 26, 2009 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Bravely put, Heart Cakes. This is why I dig Aquas I can always count on you guys for unique perspective!

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posted February 26, 2009 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
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Now that I've come back from a yearly hiatus

To leave for a year's break and come back will give you an advantageous position to observe changes, babeefoxx.

It's easier to observe a change in incremental stages rather than in a continous flow.

Thanks for your observations and honesty.

Let's hope that all sarcasm and nastiness has just been one of those phases, and that we will rise to a new positive soon

Love, koiflower

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Lucia23
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posted February 26, 2009 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
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well i don't personally think mods should get involved in stuff like that. i think if it's not outright mean, and even if it is, why bother taking offense?

It's not just about offense. On my favorite site, mods gently make sure that the discussion stays on topic, that posters avoid making duplicate threads, and that posts are vaguely grammatical and clear. The poster makes clear exactly how his/her post relates to the topic. So, if the topic was Cancer-Scorpio relationships, for example, the post "scorpios suck lol haha," or a scanned in photo of a kitten surrounded by hearts, or the post "good to see u here Susie how r you?" would get a moderator warning, unless that post also included a substantive discussion of Cancer-Scorpio relationships. The poster could start a new, appropriate thread: "Vent About Your Misguided Hatred of People Based on Sun Signs," "Maudlin Pictures that have Nothing to Do with Astrology," or "Random Chat."

Keeping posts on the topic can make for a much richer discussion. And then earlier threads can be used as a resource, too.

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posted February 26, 2009 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
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the post "good to see u here Susie how r you?" would get a moderator warning, unless that post also included a substantive discussion of Cancer-Scorpio relationships.

do they have dictators as Mods?

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The poster could start a new, appropriate thread: "Vent About Your Misguided Hatred of People Based on Sun Signs," "Maudlin Pictures that have Nothing to Do with Astrology," or "Random Chat."

are you talking about astrologyweekly forum? well Tim is the moderator and he is a triple Virgo and it does show

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Lucia23
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posted February 26, 2009 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I don't see why on-topic discussions is a dictatorial idea, at all, especially since it's not like off-topic posters get banned. They're just asked politely to move off-topic comments to the appropriate thread. That way, everyone else doesn't have to read through pages and pages of irrelevent posts, and good threads don't get lost as easily.


Edited: No, I'm talking about a non-astrology forum. I realize it's harder with astrology forums, since the topic is so inherently personal.

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posted February 26, 2009 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
I actually don't mind that the mods here have a lassez-faire attitude about moderating here most of the time since we are capable of making our own decisions. Its only when there's been a clear bias towards certain members in the past that I've been a little irked. When things p!ss me off here, I just X out of the screen and take a hiatus. The internet, like life, isn't all sunshine and pink clouds and ponies.

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posted February 26, 2009 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
dunno but I am thinking about deleting my account there, for my Sag Moon there is not enough freedom there, the atmosphere is stifling with all their rules and warnings AND deleting posts without prior notification or explanation ... thank Randall we have nothing like that here

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