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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 26, 2009 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think the worst of you, sweetie, and I don't think you have ulterior motives
We just have different perspectives on something, that's all.

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Happy Dragon
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posted February 26, 2009 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
** where is the love **
.. on vacation ..

note the Saturn opposition to Uranus ..
winding up all the Virgos .. Geminis .. and Sagittarians ..
and totaly confusing the 'f' out of the Pisceans ..
the rest can sit back and watch with glee at the ensuing gladiatorial spectacle ..

.. " In the beginning, before bandwidth, there was nothingness. Out of that endless void God and His heavenly host created...Arpanet, and it was good. But the scientific, military and computer angels Who dwelled in Arpanet were lonely, so They brought forth Browser, and the Web was born. It, too, was good and the children of the internet lived in peace and harmony and were fruitful and multiplied, but God warned His people not to eat of the forbidden fruit of commercialism. Alas, they disobeyed and soon barbarians drove the children of the internet out of Paradise. God, in His wrath, turned away from His people and condemned them to wander in the digital wilderness, but from time to time He will suddenly appear in mailing lists, chat rooms and discussion forums to remind us sinners that we could be saved if only we would hearken unto Him." ..
( ~ http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/god.htm ~ )
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"Criticizing others is a dangerous thing, not so much because you may make
mistakes about them, but because you may be revealing the truth about yourself".
~ Judge Harold Medina ~

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posted February 26, 2009 08:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message
quote:
note the Saturn opposition to Uranus ..
winding up all the Virgos .. Geminis .. and Sagittarians ..
and totaly confusing the 'f' out of the Pisceans ..


LMAO...hilarious and true.

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Happy Dragon
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posted February 26, 2009 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
the reason i be thinking that the current Saturn-Uranus opposition is effecting folk came from a statement in LL Central forum .. i.e. ..
*** " Theres' definitely something going around....it's hitting me and a lot of people in my life as well." **
and noting generaly what is going on in the world and on these forums ..
( just as i'm typing this .. can hear child in next-door house having a bad dream by the sound of it )
Saturn is currently retrograde and evidently Saturn-Uranus in the birthchart is not an easy influence to handle ..
here's an excerpt ( wasn't typed up for LL and would need more of the chapters typed out to make complete sense .. but for what it's worth .. here it is ) .. it's from a seminar ..

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from the book "The Art of Stealing Fire" - Uranus in the Horoscope. .. by Liz Greene.
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~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus ~
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Liz.G : ..
.. We cannot really make sense of Uranus in the birth chart without looking at the Sun and Saturn as well, because these two are, in a way, the brackets around the individual's personality. They are the two planets most concerned with ego and ego development, and because of this they are the vessels for containing, grounding, and individualising the outer planets. This is why Saturn-Uranus aspects are so very powerful in charts. We often overlook these contacts, assuming that only people with Sun-Uranus, Moon-Uranus, or an angular Uranus are really Uranian in spirit. But people with Saturn-Uranus contacts are usually very close to Uranus, much more so than if the Moon, Mercury, Venus or Mars aspects it. Saturn-Uranus aspects are extremely important because the structure of the personality is being buffeted all the time by the collective Promethean vision of progress and potential perfection. This produces a powerful need to ground the Uranian spirit, but if the individual cannot handle the tension, he or she may polarise and indentify wholly with or against Uranus.

.. Saturn, as you all know, co-rules Aquarius. He is the son and castrator of Uranus in myth. They are intimately linked and inseparable, and this is reflected in their joint rulership of Aquarius. The Sun is also intimately linked and inseparable, because it is solar fire that Prometheus steals, and this is reflected in Leo's natural opposition to Aquarius. Each needs the other. They are two halves of the same story. Without the fire, Prometheus would have nothing to do. He would be redundant, an unemployed Titan on the dole. Without Prometheus, humanity as a collective would have no direct experience of the Sun - solar fire would only be accessible through the artist, the ruler, and the priest, or, in other words, through the solar elite.
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ther's a bit more about ~ Uranian fundamentalism ~ .. but will make more sense when i get some more typed out ..
the seminars on 'depression' and 'aggression' have more priority at the moment ..
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i guess all the current planets in Aquarius ( ruled by Uranus/ co-ruled by Saturn ) are playing their part as well ..
and lillith conjuct pluto has been having her fun as well ;-)))

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posted February 26, 2009 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgOh     Edit/Delete Message
I am so flattered

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Lucia23
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posted February 26, 2009 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Moderation to keep threads on topic and to keep comments topical and appropriate doesn't translate to censorship (unless posts are being edited/deleted and/or posters are being banned, and I'm not advocating that), and it doesn't translate to "walking on eggshells" or everyone behaving like children, either.

A lot of the most intellectually stimulating, funny, fun, and rewarding sites have basic guidelines--laid out for users by the mods--that keep the discussion rich, interesting, and about the topic at hand, rather than letting it degenerate.

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Not everyone has to treat you with kid gloves here! That's just not how life works. I hardly see anyone going out of their way to be nasty. If some like to stir the pot once in a while, it's just part of their personality - live and let live and stop complaining.

When it comes to human social interaction, we all have some say in how "life works." If this were a public space like a community center, we would have a choice about what kinds of behaviors were acceptable.

Then again, we also have the choice to leave and find a place that better shares our preferences and values.

That said, I hope the moderators and others will take note that there is some dissatisfaction here. There may be fantastic people with valuable astrological insights who don't like to complain, but have been turned off of the site by abusive, "pot stirring", off-topic and irrelevent posts, and left. At any site, it's possible to create a loving and compassionate atmosphere with thoughtful posts, or a crappy and alienating atmosphere where trolls are made comfortable. It's not "just life" to have the latter kind of site. There are lots of different ways that life can work, and some are more wonderful, compassionate, and stimulating than others.

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posted February 26, 2009 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
There's a great deal of love here. Sometimes you have to look beneath the surface. But mostly not. Maybe after having been away for some time, finding new people and the different energy makes it feel just different - doesn't have to be better or worse, just not what it was. But there is a lot of love here.

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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 26, 2009 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I don't have any problem with anyone here. And, Lucia, I've never painted a picture that 'abuse' is to be accepted. So that really doesn't apply. If you look on the Fist thread you would know full well that I do not condone name-calling and such things. I make it very, very clear.

I do believe in a certain balance of all things, however.

I've seen a multitude of very old threads where off-topic statements were made, and there wasn't a problem. If it's taken personally though, that's another matter altogether, and again, it's up to the person who has a problem to address it directly to the person who they have a problem with. And I haven't seen a lack of compassion here....go on Lindaland Central and tell me otherwise, please. There's nothing but compassion on so many threads there....and here. People offer boundless support on this site. If it's a little less lately in some people's eyes, then who knows why? It happens from time to time. Let us ride out this time with grace and move forward.

I personally feel we should all respond with care about everyone's topic, assuming the person posting cares enough to post obviously. If there's someone who doesn't respond as nicely....then I still stand by thinking it over and asking oneself how worthwhile it is to make an issue out of it. If it means much, then one should say something directly. Or simply ignore it. That's just my own opinion here.

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Happy Dragon
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posted February 26, 2009 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
current transit grid to the LL site chart .. ( close orb only )

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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 26, 2009 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I'm glad we can put in some astrology on this thread! Of course, I have absolutely no idea what it is I am looking at, Dragon

Edit - oh wait, I think I've got it lol

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Lucia23
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posted February 26, 2009 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I found VirgOh's comments on my thread abusive. They weren't name-calling, but they were basically celebrating the idea that I had gotten hurt, and ignoring all the substance of my posts or anyone else's (which made it clear that it wasn't really a "Go Scorpios! LOL" moment, as the Scorp in question was also hurting.) When I asked for clarification, VirgOh refused to offer any, and posted the very same offensive post again! And in another thread, s/he explicitly stated that s/he didn't care about the thread topic, and wanted "bitchy" people to "teach the poster a lesson." I found it more abusive, and, most especially, ill-intentioned, than anything Fist of Legend posted. The posts were explicitly designed to cause offense, and were consciously and admittedly off-topic.

I said something directly in that thread, and am speaking out here, too, under the assumption that moderaters read these threads. I would rather share my perspective with the community at large than get into a private message dialogue with someone online.

Having to "ignore" repeated posts like that makes reading LindaLand threads less informative and satisfying, for me, and I think that a bit of gentle moderator intervention...and some more careful guidelines/organization...could easily solve the problem.

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posted February 26, 2009 09:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Fair enough, Lucia. I hear you.

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posted February 26, 2009 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgOh     Edit/Delete Message
Dragon & MVM you are so "Veering off topic" here, this thread is about me, you either keep "Loving" me or I will literally get a Moderator to take care of you both

It's amazing what a Scorp sting can do to one's brain

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posted February 26, 2009 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
VirgOh, I can multi-task, how about that

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posted February 26, 2009 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
~ MVM ~

LL natal placements are the column on right ..

bottom bunch are the transiting lot

i just did it out of curiosity ..


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posted February 26, 2009 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgOh     Edit/Delete Message
LOLLOLOL

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posted February 26, 2009 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Is that t Mars conjunct LL Uranus, Dragon? Because that sure would explain a lot

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posted February 26, 2009 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
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It's amazing what a Scorp sting can do to one's brain.

This is such a charming place to come for help and advice. Lovely!

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Happy Dragon
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posted February 26, 2009 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
~ MVM ~
yeah re Mars ..
and the squares from t.Saturn and t.Jupiter
sextiles are interesting as well .. as a free flow of energy

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posted February 26, 2009 10:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Been trying to get on because of bung internet and finally have done it! Woo hoo!

Look, I think things do go of the rails a bit. There are a lot of people I would love to strangle but for the fear of a jail sentence. There clearly is a problem. "Distress" posts like babbeefoxx's happen quite regularly which indicates something is wrong. Yes, Lindaland has lost it a bit. I do think people come on here to insult others and I CAN'T switch off when I see this. I remember last year someone outright attacking someone else and I went off the rails when I saw this because it seriously upset me. I can't do things in isolation maybe like others here and that might be dependent on the fact that I was on a lot at the time. Maybe for others who come and go, it might not affect them as much.


I think there is nothing wrong with tight moderating. I don't know why it is seen as a great evil. This is an astrology site or at least this forum is and it should be kept strictly related to astrology IMHO. You saw what happened last year for example with the US elections and how things went off the rails and NOTHING was done about it.

A bit of off-topic banter in the astrology website is ok to a point I think. That's just the nature of human communication but sometimes it just goes too far on this forum. If you want extra banter, do it in Central, that's the reason why it exists.

I also don't have a problem with venting either as mentioned of it occurring in Central. Different people have different ways of dealing with things that make them angry/upset. Some vent, some disappear, some yell.

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posted February 26, 2009 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
could also be a case of moderators and webmaster seeing these exchanges
well sort of like scientists veiwing it all thru a microscope ..

" ooo look at that .. what whathisface said to whathisname ..
and how she / he responded .. mmmmmm interesting ..
hhhhhmmmm lets introduce 'denice -the-useless-menace' 'n see what happens ..
hey cooool .. see how whatsherface jumped .. lets try that one again ..
shall we intervene ... hell no !!! .. it's all good publicity ..
are you sure ? .. yeah the're only yet-to-knowflakes learning ..
they've yet to attain human being status .. but can't let them do that ..
they might actually rebel " ..

just sceptically kiddin' about .. ;-)))

must go .. the rottweiler need feeding .. :-)
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MyVirgoMask
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posted February 26, 2009 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
LMAO, Happy Dragon!

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posted February 27, 2009 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leapinglemur14     Edit/Delete Message
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posted February 27, 2009 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libralove09     Edit/Delete Message
my thread was not full of snarky attitude. i made 2 snarky responses in response to 2 snarky posts. before all that i was taking in everything people were saying (that was helping me understand).

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So what if a thread goes off-topic? Learning requires growth and when discussion grows so does learning.

i don't particularly disagree, but if the off-topicness isn't really discussion, then it harms the thread, especially if its unhelpful & snarky.

also, for the personal stuff, i agree, it was immature of me. so i want to take it all back, and say sorry - sorry leapingle.

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posted February 27, 2009 10:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I don't know about "love", but there is a lot of tedious moralization going on around here, and it's getting increasingly annoying.

Such is the internet.

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