posted May 25, 2009 05:47 PM            

As for myself, I don't like fighting but if push comes to shove and someone doesn't leave me alone, I can blow up. Occasionally, I'll just get cranky and blow up too but rarely.

posted May 25, 2009 08:24 PM              

Pluto is in leo late degrees.

Moon in pisces

Hes psycho. I was very young when my dad was violent towards me.

You would think moon in pisces would make him a softy along with libra

------------------
•' •.♥♫♫´°°♫ • Life is Beautiful •.♥.•♫°°´♫♫ ♥ •

•Sun• Cancer
•Moon• Gemini
•Mars• Cancer
•Mercury• Cancer
•Venus• Leo

posted May 26, 2009 12:36 AM            

They love peace and harmony, but tend to get aggressive when it comes to their cherished ideas of justice and fairness. They always try to present a balancing viewpoint when they sense people are veering into extremes, and they will go to bat to defend someone or something they think is being unfairly treated.

posted May 26, 2009 02:46 AM            

quote:

---

I really think that you have to take in consideration the whole chart though.

a prominent Mars,
aspects to Mars or its Nodes can easily modify the peaceloving traits of Libra

---

I suspect there will never be a time you have to give up saying 'look at the whole chart'.

On this topic, I can concur with Glaucus on an astrological and personal level. On Glaucus' recommendation I read a book that describes T-Square Apex planets. Mine is Mars. It describes and aggressive personality type. Mars on my chart is also Conjunct the NN and Square the Ascendant. Yes, I have Libra Moon, at zero degrees. I associate with it quite strongly, and I have been known to be kind and caring. I coo over babies. But don't cross my path on a dark night.

quote:

---

They love peace and harmony, but tend to get aggressive when it comes to their cherished ideas of justice and fairness. They always try to present a balancing viewpoint when they sense people are veering into extremes, and they will go to bat to defend someone or something they think is being unfairly treated.

---

This is an excellent description. Please allow me to back this up with a personal example.

posted May 26, 2009 03:09 AM            

Here is the thing;

Marriage and agreements are said to be ruled by Libra(A sign of co-operation) but here is the thing: Is it not from marriage that divorce comes, is is not from agreements that breaches stem?

I think we are only looking at one side of the coin. In my experience with Librans, the ones I know like everything to look pretty and dandy on the surface, they rarely focus on how they really feel about someone underneath so long as they present an agreeable and non-confrontational front.

Perhaps I am being narrow-minded and touching only the surface: Environment and upbringing do influence the individual a great deal as far as their personality is concerned.

It is curious to note that Gandhi(Libra) was world-renowned for his peaceful reputation and yet his marriage and home life left much to be desired.(unless I am reading the wrong biography)

Also the nature of his violent death is suspicious to me and viciously ironic. It reminds of our own Aries-like warrior "Shaka Zullu" who was violent and confronational in trying to unite all the African nations. He allso died a brutal death and it is suspected that he was born in the beginning of Ocrtober 1787.

I wanted people to abandon the stereotyped ideas of the Libra sign and embark on a serious discussion as to why it is a sign that is termed the most " peace-loving" and to which so many "feminine" qualities are endowed- even more so than Taurus, mind you- and yet it is the polar opposite of Aries(Mars).

I see so many similarities between Sag and Gemini and often confuse them, the same I could say about Scorpio and Taurus,Cancer and Capricorn, Leo and Aquarius but am not too sure about Pisces and Virgo.

Nevertheless however, Libra and Aries seem quite similar to me and when I ask people of this, their response is often defensive....

ALL the moon in Librans I know, ALL, experience obstacles and problems with family, home-life or people that they are living with.

ALL the venus in Librans I know, ALL, have trouble finding someone to settle down with as they tend to be very difficult with people that they have been in relationships with, prompting many break-ups,fights and serious irreconcilable differences.

Now maybe I am not talking about the whole chart here, but I find this curious and interesting....

The platform is open...

posted May 26, 2009 03:32 AM            

I don't have any problems with my family, living environment, home-life or my mother. Libra Moon

But...I don't have any major tense aspects to my Moon, either. Maybe if I did, I might.

posted May 26, 2009 03:42 AM            

quote:

---

ALL the moon in Librans I know, ALL, experience obstacles and problems with family, home-life or people that they are living with.

---

Yeah... no, I don't have problems with my home life at all. Like I said earlier, I get along with my roommates amidst them hating each other every other week (I don't pick sides). I have a good relationship with my parents, I stay out of their hair, they stay out of mine. I spend most weekends with them and still keep my own bedroom.

The only tense aspect my Moon makes is an opposition with Jupiter. The other aspects are: Moon trine ASC, Sun, Mercury. Moon sextile Mars, Saturn/Uranus. I'm a lover, not a fighter (however since I'm Gem Rising with an Aquarius Mercury, I like debates).

posted May 26, 2009 04:45 AM            

Whilst I'm sure it doesn't make me the easiest person on the planet, I got on fine with my parents and friends I lived with at college. As for lovers, I have lived with the same one for 16 years, so something must be going right.

posted May 26, 2009 10:55 AM            

orbs no more than 3 degrees.

also...there can be an opposition in Right Ascension, .....I have already seen that in Scorpio Centaur's case. Her Mercury oppose Eris in Right Ascension.

I pointed out that Al Sharpton, a civil rights activist but also accused of race-baiting has Sun in Libra oppose Eris in Aries.

I think that's worth looking into

also older Libras could have their Libra planets square the large kuiper belt object plutino,Orcus in Cancer.

I was born in 1971, and I have retrograde Orcus in 22'28 Cancer, but I have no planets square it. My Venus in 21'47 Scorpio trines it.
My mother was born in 1954,and she has Orcus in 0'22 Cancer conjunct her Ascendant in 0'11 Cancer. She has no planets in Libra squaring it though.

I would use no more than 3 degree orb for the large kuiper belt objects. I use the same orb for Pluto which is technically a kuiper belt object.

another to keep in mind

kuiper belt objects tend to orbit well off the ecliptic, and so they tend to not be in 3dimensional true conjunction even though they appear to be in conjunction on a 2Dimensional chart. That goes for oppositions too because they are polarity aspects.

Pluto was discovered in 1930,and it was on the ecliptic at the time. Therefore, there were true conjunctions and oppositions during that time.

I believe that apparent Pluto conjunctions are valid, but I believe that true 3D Pluto conjunctions are more powerful though.

Raymond

posted May 26, 2009 12:00 PM            

it took the world many thousand years to come up with ; no, libra isn't an easy sign.

posted May 26, 2009 08:26 PM            

Arguments and disagreements are a part of any relation, in Venus in Libra's case, I think we like everything to be balanced in a relation and when it doesn't go our way we argue about it.

posted May 27, 2009 02:43 AM            

As I said before, I found the paradox interesting.

Here is my conclusion:

Libra is the oppposite of Aries but instead of going head-first into situations that may prove dangerous, it is the sign that looks at all other alternatives, this is of course true of the air signs I know in my life as well.

Libra is allso the seventh sign, a sign that tends to deal with the "world" and put other people first before themselves.
Would this suggest that Libra is also highly influenced by the company they keep and can be impersonal in relationships?

A sign that thinks on what course of action would be best taken as not to step on anyones' toes; hence the indecision that is often associated with the sign:
It is not easy to try and look at two contadicting perspectives and try to reconciliate them.

I like what was said about arguments and fights being necessary in order for reconciliation to be reached.

Thank you to all....the floor is closed.

posted May 27, 2009 04:35 AM            

My aunt is a Libra sun, and very controlling and domineering. Moreso than any Aries sun I know, but I do know an Aries sun/moon combo who definitely competes. I have a Libra ascendant but I'm not quick to judge or quick to take control over situations. Unless I've been in that position before and know my input can speed something along, I won't get all involved and try to steer it my way.

posted May 27, 2009 04:59 AM            

quote:

---

ALL the venus in Librans I know, ALL, have trouble finding someone to settle down with as they tend to be very difficult with people that they have been in relationships with, prompting many break-ups,fights and serious irreconcilable differences.

---