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AscTaurus
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posted May 25, 2009 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Often , I hear that Libra is the "peace-loving" "sensitive" and "loving".

Forgive me, to all Librans out there but the ones that I have had the privilidge to meet are anything but.

The interesting thing is that Libra is the opposite of Aries( a "masculine" sign) and yet astrologers are quick to assign so caled "feminine" qualities to a "masculine" sign.

In my observation, Libra and Aries have much in common as much as there are differences(as there is with signs that are in polarity).

Aries people have often been termed "aggressive" and "assertive" and yet I see the same qualities in Librans, although it is often hidden or dormant. But nevertheless, they are always there.

I've noted that:

Moon Librans: Arguments and disagreements at home.

Venus in Libra: Arguments and disagreements with your partner.

Mars in Libra: Physically violent fights

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posted May 25, 2009 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannequin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i think we can call upon those qualities when needed, and aren't always present unless there's a need for it. whilst Arians are naturally assertive/aggressive but can call upon a peace-loving etc. attitude when needed.

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posted May 25, 2009 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I DEFINITELY agree about LIBRA MOON!!!

I lived with one for 8 years and we argued all the time. He always started it even though i'm the one with the ARIES MOON. I would always end it by not responding and l was much more placid than him!!!

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posted May 25, 2009 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really think that you have to take in consideration the whole chart though.

a prominent Mars,
aspects to Mars or its Nodes can easily modify the peaceloving traits of Libra

just like aspects to Venus or its Nodes can easily modify the warlike traits of Aries

The Libra can have Aries planets

take for instance the greatest NFL wide receiver in history, Jerry Rice
He has Sun in Libra, Moon in Aries. he is highly competitive.


another thing

everybody has dormant traits of assertiveness,aggression

after all, everybody has a Mars in his/her chart.


everybody has dormant traits of peace loving and consideration for others (I don't like using the word, sensitive which actually means responsive to external stimuli)

after all everybody has a Venus in his/her chart.

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posted May 25, 2009 10:47 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
mars in libra and physical fights?? I dont think so. LOL. no way. gives a very passive aggressive nature sometimes, yes maybe...but physically violent? no way.

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posted May 25, 2009 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
im a Libra Moon but i got Aries Rising so I crack the sh*ts then once ive had my outburst start analysing the situation, justify it all and just shrug my shoulders and say,

"Eh, all's fair in love n war"

Cos that's what a Libra Moon with Aries rising would say

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posted May 25, 2009 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting topic. Just from the other spectrum - I have a lot of Aries (Sun, Venus, Mercury & AC) and people always think I'm a Libran. Despite what my chart displays, I'm very peace-loving. I hate fighting and I'm not very competitive.

I think every sign has those shadows and those lights - and some of those things are just human characteristics. Everyone will fight for something they believe in.

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posted May 25, 2009 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
some astrologers don't believe in the validity of tropical zodiac sign placements

I have questioned it myself, and I wonder about using a Constellation zodiac which is not the same as Sidereal Zodiac. I am Virgo Sun in constellation zodiac and not a Libra Sun as I am in Sidereal Zodiac.


another thing Pluto has been in Libra,and so Pluto conjuncting a planet can modify the Libra traits of the planets with intensity.


Eris has been in Aries for a very long time,and so a Libra planet can have an opposition to Eris in Aries,and so they can have a tendency to discord or be controversial in some way. I would use no more than 3 degree orb.

Al Sharpton has Sun in Libra oppose Eris. He's a prominent civil rights leader, but he also has been viewed as controversial,stirring up stuff when it comes to race as well as being accused of being a racist himself.

I believe that no more than 3 degree orb is valid for Eris


I believe that the kuiper belt objects are the missing link.

The plutinos, Ixion and Orcus can be just as intense as Pluto.

Orcus has been in Cancer, and so a Libra Planet could be squaring Orcus. I use no more than 3 degrees.

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posted May 25, 2009 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

keep in mind the history of the Libra constellation


Libra was once the Scorpion's Claws

The Scorpius constellation used to be a much larger constellation with the combination of Scorpius and Libra to form a much bigger Scorpio constellation.


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posted May 25, 2009 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been thinking about it a lot lately, not about Librans being agressive but about the opposite signs and I think often our darkest side is represented by the negative traits of the opposite sign.

If you forget about the sun sign descriptions for a while it is easy to see that opposite sign differences are actually not differences but integral parts!

Did anyone ever notice how Cancers cruel and cold can be, Scorpios greedy and narrow-minded, Taureans unforgiving and ruthless, Aquas egocentric and attention craving, Aries dependable and weak, Librans agressive and not flexible, etc, etc??!

(*did not mean to offend any particular sun sign*)

added* the more I learn the less I know so I don't pay much attention to sun signs anymore.

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posted May 25, 2009 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I think that it really depends on the rest of the chart

my Cancer maternal grandfather was actually very nurturing and warm.....heck.....he kept my mother when my Aries grandmother tried to give her up for adoption. He has Sun parallel Ceres,and that could be it. He also has Venus conjunct Ceres too. He had Moon in Pisces like me too.

I don't see myself as greedy and narrowminded. I have a tendency to give money to strangers on the street, and I won't hesitate to help my mother out financially. I hardly spend nice things on myself. Heck..I just recently ordered a brand new bedroom set after having just a futon mattress to sleep on since 2006. I think that I am very openminded, and I even go a Unity church which believes in diversity of religious,spiritual beliefs. I find the intolerance of diversity to be annoying,and it tends to be disguised as diversity itself. That happens a lot of in society,and it's like one vicious circle. I have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio.

but my Scorpio planets are modified

Sun trine Moon
Mercury parallel Neptune
Venus parallel Neptune

of course, there is my Moon in Pisces square Neptune


free will is the ultimate factor any way.


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posted May 25, 2009 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uhhh I have a Libra Moon.

Out of my 2 other roommates (one Virgo Moon, one Sag Moon), I am the least likely to get into fights with them. I'd rather not say anything and avoid confrontation.

Don't paint with a broad brush.

I knew a guy with Sun, Moon, Venus & Mercury in Libra and he was the least confrontational person ever. He'll fight when necessary, but he never starts it.

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posted May 25, 2009 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think mars in Libra is prone to getting into physical fights, though if you push them too far, then I'm sure they will get physical, but this is true for all people.

They're very passive-aggressive and will try to manipulate the situation in order to make the other person back down.

I have a friend with moon in Libra and we have never had a single argument. She's so sweet. However, she does tend to get into arguments with other people.

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posted May 25, 2009 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AscTaurus ~

Have you met any Librans over the age of 25??
Hmmmm, Venus in Libra = arguments and disagreements with your partner, eh.....
I suppose arguments and disagreements with your partner never happen with:
Venus in Aries
Venus in Taurus
Venus in Gemini
Venus in Cancer
Venus in Leo
Venus in Virgo
Venus in Scorpio
Venus in Sagittarius
Venus in Capricorn
Venus in Aquarius
Venus in Pisces

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posted May 25, 2009 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fleurdelis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the bitchy side of Libra comes up when they feel they've been taken advantage of, or there's injustice done. I doesn't pay to be nice, and Libra will show you why.

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posted May 25, 2009 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me, Aries is the nice one. The 1st sign which represents personality. A good one.
The opposite of good is bad, the opposite of Aries is Libra. To me, Libra is all about war, which may tie in with disagreements and what people may consider a "bad" personality.

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posted May 25, 2009 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannequin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes, i love having wars with people. it's one of my main hobbies along with cycling and dancing.

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posted May 25, 2009 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, well that is expected as all Libras have wars with people. Thats just how astrology works

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posted May 25, 2009 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannequin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank God for my Aries rising, so i may have a GOOD personality to balance out my BAD Sun.

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posted May 25, 2009 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fleurdelis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We should throw darts at this painting; hopefully it hits the middle person. She is wrathful, and God, I hate her.

Anyway, this is my take:
Moon Librans: always try to act nice and detached - you just dont know how they feel. They can talk about you but you wont know if its good or bad.

Venus in Libra: They think they're God and eveyone especially the partner needs to pander to them

Mars in Libra: When they are angry, they don't know how to show their anger, except being passively aggressive and hitting below the belt.

Sun in Libra: Tries to be fair so much they blend with the wallpaper. they dont budge and inch because there's always the other side that reasons against the first proposition. In the end they stay still.

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posted May 25, 2009 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everyone no matter their sign can have bad traits. Robert Hand's horoscope symbols has very good insight on how certain zodiac signs manifest with less evolved individuals. I've met Libras that charm the pants right off you or very shallow overt gossipers, so it all goes hand in hand!

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posted May 25, 2009 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
vertiver,

I agree 100 percent!

I have tried to make that point numerous times.

It's also very important to look at the overall chart which is just a snap shot of the sky at the moment of birth.

I am having a hard time viewing a natal chart as 2 dimensional because of that. That's why I look at other celestial coordinates besides ecliptic longitude which is what most astrologers use. Astronomers use both Right Ascension (ecliptic longitude) and Declination (ecliptic longitude).


I believe that the actual stars also give clues to one's personality.

I am not talking about projecting stars onto the ecliptic

I am talking about parans that involving observing a planet/luminary on an angle at the same time a star is on an angle at any time during the day of birth.


before astrologers took Ptolemy's star projections and planetary characteristic assignments for certain stars, mythology was the key part of Astrology.


I have HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS,and that's a book that I strongly recommend. I like how he explains midpoint and declination methods.


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posted May 25, 2009 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's why you have to take the rest of the chart into consideration because one placement can change everything. For Example, a libra with an aries mars in the 3rd (like my friend) probably won't mince their words as much as sunsign astrology would have you believe.


Also remember that libra loves a good debate, its all part of the balance-act thingy.

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My Libra cousin and Dad..are not the most dimplomatic sweethearts in the world but it's all in their charts.

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posted May 25, 2009 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Also remember that libra loves a good debate, its all part of the balance-act thingy.
True, Dulce. And there are Librans who shy away from debate, which is shown by other planetary positions and aspects, *not* the sunsign.....

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