posted June 23, 2009 10:28 AM         

- back to ur qsn.

As a child i found Egypt and Rome intense ,as also Tantric hinduism - i am not a hindu.

From past life regressions i now know that i spent very intense lives - as an egyptian queen, a roman senator and as a tantric yoga practioner in vedic times.

These feelings that people experience for India or any old country usually stem from sanskaras or karmic bonds that past lifetimes in that culture establish.

The chances of you and any other person having lived in India ( which in the ancient times inc. Pak,Bangladesh,Tibet,Nepal etc. ) - is a good 50:50...its one of the oldest civilisations , so do the math.

Also , the feelings of intensity may not be for the culture as a whole but for some specific region.Its the energy of that place only that puuls us.

For eg . not all parts of India were inhabited in the vedic times. But the cities that were inhabited are the oldest in the world and by their very nature possess a strong intense energy to have caused such ancient human development in the first place on its soil.

As a child i felt that intense connection with some old indian cities that go back to antiquity in terms of their spiritual roots.Last month when i actually visited those old temple - cities i went nuts with the vibe.

Man it was tangent - i visited a temple which stands on what was the earths original Greenwich , in vedic times.The vibe in the sanctum was unbelievable - the whole area had a stillness that i experience only in times of extreme meditation.

That is a proof of the magnetic and vibrational frequency of that place.

That is shared by most of the oldest spiritual sites anywhere in the world.

I think you should look up at asteroid Hind, siva, kaali etc. in ur chart.They might throw up some connections.

posted June 23, 2009 10:41 AM         

I was only trying to say that we maybe should focus on the astrological discussion again, if anyone was interested in that.
If there is more interest in the philosophical or political side, it would be the wrong forum here. That is all.

But I see that you related it to astrology again; I`d be very interested to see how the Indian asteroids are aspected in the natals. Or even other asteroids.

posted June 23, 2009 10:55 AM         

for the Egyptian links i have in my chart

Egyptian Links:
OSIRIS (cap) opposite SPHINX(can) quincunx GIZA (leo)conjunct DNA IN LEO!
SEKHMET sextile SPHINX (CAN) which conjuncts sun and moon
SEKHMET quindecile PLUTO!
HORUS (TAU) sextiles NODE (CAN)
ANUBIS (LEO) trines KARMA (ARI)

For the Roman links i have Diana, Artemis, Musa and others conjunct to major planets...i must check some others...is there an asteroid Rome or Egypt ?

posted June 23, 2009 11:07 AM         

i'm assuming that's the case given neither forum has had much movement ..
and i tried posting a new topic in LLC .. was a 'no go' ..

posted June 23, 2009 11:17 AM         

the egyptian and especially Babylonian themes are also strong in my chart.

Of the Egyptian I have:

VENUS conjunct ISIS conjunct OSIRIS (Cap) square Pluto (Libra) and sextile [Horus conjunct Echnaton in Pisces]

SEKHMET conjunct KLEOPATRA conjunct NOFRETETE conjunct REIKI conjunct SUN conjunct MERCURY (on 26 Sagittarius, so flat on the Galactic Centre)

GIZA (Ar)opposes PLUTO and exactly trines NN / Neptune and also trines ATLANTIS and ASC (Sag)

ANUBIS (Cap) exactly sextile VALENTINE (Scor)

SPHINX (Tau) sextile TUTENCHAMMUN (Can) quinkunx AMUN (Sag)

HORUS and ECHNATON quinkunx PLUTO and square NN/ NEPTUNE / ATLANTIS / ASC / ANGEL and so on.

Yes, I believe there is an asteroid ROMA.
BTW which midpoints indicate the atlantean period?
Is there maybe one on about 15 degree Scorpio?
CAuse I have noticed that I have ATLANTIS at a significant spot in my chart, in the middle of my Stellium around the ASC, and I also noticed that I have some asteroids on 14-16 SCorpio, including SIVA on 14°57 Scorpio. And for some reason this seems to be significant.

posted June 23, 2009 11:39 AM         

But to call India mysterious is not the most misguided idea in the world. anyways,

posted June 23, 2009 11:47 AM         

all the condescension doesn't erase the fact that there is a serious unofficial caste system in India that leads to much cruelty,violence,and unfair treatment.

just because there are laws and opportunities doesn't mean that the laws are enforced and people are given the chance to take advantage of opportunities.
All those things don't matter when many people live in fear of their lives and being made to "stay in their place".

People can learn about these things by reading and talking to others. That's why we have books and other sources to learn from without having to do physical travel.

also not everybody has the luxury to go to foreign countries. Many people can't afford that. I am not referring to myself either.

I was in the Navy,and I have been to the continent of Asia. I haven't been to India though. From all I read, I don't want to go there. I'd get sick.

it seems like many people think that they have pastlives as royalty or as somebody important

but what about as a slave, a carpenter,serf, a beggar, a butcher, and other things?

I also don't believe that pastlives,karma,reincarnation mean that people are unequal.

As an astrologer looking at charts, I believe everybody has a chance to do something. I wouldn't judge what a person can or cannot do based on his/her chart. That's up to the person. Free will. I do believe in karma,pastlives,and reincarnation. However, those things are in the past. The past is not who he/she is. The present is who he/she is. What he/she do does in the present is what determines his/her future. It's not his/her past.

I don't believe in superiority,inferiority stuff.

also many people have problems with education, and that's why they might not be employed.

I am talking about here in USA and other countries. Not talking about India. The education system doesn't fit the neurological processing systems of many people. There needs to be serious education reform. If a lot more people had the chance of an education that wasn't mainly leftbrained stuff, there would be a lot more opportunities for people. It seems so hard to understand. The idea of multisensory teaching methods in schools could lead to a high increase of opportunities and a high decrease of poverty. Not everybody can learn from auditory sequential teaching methods.

not everybody on welfare is lazy and don't want to work. Many just don't have skills and the education. I already pointed out that many people learn differently. Not everybody learns the same. That doesn't mean that they are lacking in intelligence.

India is a fascinating country, but so many other countries are too. many of them have serious problems. India definitely have their problems with the untouchables. A lot of hypocrisy there. I don't think India is any more spiritually evolved than any other country. That goes for any country too.

whether it's in Asia,Europe,Africa,South America,North America,Australia,or Antarctica

Raymond

posted June 23, 2009 11:53 AM         

I agree on much of what you said, but could we please keep that astrological, as it was intended to be?

Carl,

posted June 23, 2009 11:57 AM         

I was defending myself against Venus' condescension.

I just can't keep quiet when people talk smack to me.

You probably know that about me.

any ways..I am done with this thread.

also there are many countries quite like India. I don't think that India is more special than any other country.

posted June 23, 2009 12:06 PM         

I definitely can understand the wish to defend yourself, if you feel treated unfairly.
And I also can understand the wish of those people on this thread, who don´t share Carl`s opinion on India, to make clear that not all people feel that "enticed".

But I think that is understood now, that we cannot do a generalization of "all" people like / dislike something.

But now I feel, if we continue like this, it will become a discussion,t hat goes in circles and leads to nowwhere.

and personally I am REALLY interested, if oyu can see a certain affinity or even dislike for a country in your natal chart or even in the synastry.

posted June 23, 2009 12:22 PM         

I don't think India is really mysterious because there is a lot known about it. A lot of people been advertising Indian culture and spirituality, etc.

there is probably more promotion of Indian and Eastern spirituality even though the spirituality of Native Americans, Africans, Polynesians,Australian Aborigines,Maoris,and Europeans as well as others also have their unique,deep spiritual traditions.

Yogananda did help Indian spiritual traditions to be more popular in the West just like Bruce Lee did for Martial Arts which is also a spiritual tradition.

I had some Indian friends before,and I like them for who they are. I didn't think about India when it comes to them. There was an Indian guy that got me interested in Vedic Astrology. I once got into an argument and renounced my operation status in an astrology channel on irc because he was unfairly kicked/banned. All he did was give free Vedic astrological readings. That was back in 2004. It wasn't shortly after. I and others formed a new astrology channel so there would be a lot more tolerance and no power tripping.

You didn't offend me. You've never offended me. I am quite fond of you as a member. We seem to be on the same page on many things. Even if we are not, I still think that you're swell because of the way you carry yourself in the forum. A person who is openminded, but also thinks critical. Of course, I see sense of fairness in you too. I have never seen any condescension nor self righteous hypocrisy. Therefore, I have much respect for you.

Peace

posted June 23, 2009 12:48 PM         

It really should not be okay for anyone to use overtly racist slurs here ("wetback"), or to characterize someone else's posts with crude insults (a "dumbfest", "Mind bogglingly delusional self aggrandizement.")

posted June 23, 2009 12:50 PM         

I am curious about my synastry with India

but I think that it's my natal

I do wonder about my Moon square Varuna with 10 minutes of arc

It's a large kuiper belt object named after the Indian god of the waters that used to be a supreme god. He seems to do with justice and judgment. He judged souls, and he was depicted holding a noose.

Varuna was the largest transneptunian when it was discovered until Ixion was discovered and broke the record as the largest minor planet that Ceres held. Varuna is not much smaller than Ceres. As you know, Ceres is a dwarf planet. Ixion and Varuna may also be granted dwarf planet status.

in my chart:

Varuna is in 3'01 Gemini R in 9th
conjunct Pallas in 2'36 Gemini R in 9th
conjunct Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R in 9th
trine Pluto in 0'51 Libra in 1st
trine Vesta in 3'01 Aquarius in 5th
square Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th
oppose Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd
(so I have a t-square and kite that involves Varuna)

In Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude)
Varuna
conjunct Saturn - '39
quincunx Sun -'05

In Vedic Astrology, My Moon is in Satabisha nakshatra ruled by Rahu....its deity is Varuna.

currently transiting Varuna is in 19'48 Cancer, and so it's in a wide trine to my Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd.

I use no more than 1 degree orb for kuiper belt transits.

according to Philip Sedgwick

Varuna: Vedic deity of vast power, particularly the waters. Orbital Period: 284.65 yr.

Positive - sovereign, competent, regulating without force, mastery of all tasks accepted

Negative - incompetent and blaming, laments losses, holds resentment

Mundane - appointments or elected positions, delegation of authority, promotions, demotions, court martial, public humiliation

Ceremonial - ceremonies to confirm positions, spiritual coronations, “induced” journeys as in shamanically led vision quests http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

according to Mark Andrew Holmes

Keywords for asteroid Varuna, to me, include judgment, judgmentalism, inquisition, moralizing, justice, hugeness, grandness, grandiosity, bombast, pompousness, egotism, immortality, global, unforgettable, apocalyptic visions. http://www.markandrewholmes.com/varuna.html

posted June 23, 2009 01:19 PM         

thank you for your nice words. I appreciate them very much, especially since I respect you equally.

Regarding Varuna:
I think it is strongly placed in my chart, too.

Varuna is in 06°08 Gemini R in 6/ 7th house
conjunct Descendant in 07°01 Gemini
conjunct Fama in 06°51 Gemini R in 6/ 7th house
opposing Mars in 05°10 Sagittarius in 12th house
opposing Poseidon in 07°52 Sagittarius in 1st house
opposing Angel in 07°31 Sagittarius in 1st house
opposing Atlantis in 08°15 Sagittarius in 1st house
trine MC in 04°58 Libra
quinkunx Venus in 06°07 Capricorn in 1st house

I find it intersting that you relate it to judgemental behaviour. For some reason I always associated it with water and tragedies having to do with water.

I also think that it would be most interesting to check the asteroids that pertain to India and how they interact with the rest of the natal chart.

The asteroid "Hind" is on 0°43 Pisces in 3rd house in my chart.

trine Uranus in 1°21 Scorpio in 10th / 11th house
sextile Vesta in 1°22 Capricorn in 1st house

posted June 23, 2009 01:37 PM         

some of its clues in the mythology

He was a god that pertained to justice and judgment as well as the god of the waters.

Adolf Hitler had Varuna conjunct the Imum Coeli less than 1 degree

9-11 Terrorists occurred during a Jupiter-Varuna conjunction.

Former President George W. Bush has a prominent Varuna.

those are some of the negatives of Varuna

there are some positives too

here is more stuff on Varuna

astrologers have assigned to Varuna the energy of keeping things in proper order, of establishing the rights that work for everyone involved, and for the law in the mundane sense and in the universal sense. By universal, I mean the law of gravity, of matter not displacing matter and jelly going good with peanut butter. Right now, Varuna is in Cancer, the sign of the cosmic mother. One could say that Varuna in this sign is about the truth of motherhood, and right of the mother to decide in what order she lives her life: from nymph, to maiden/mother, to crone.

Eric refers to Varuna as The Equalizer. In this respect, we have an astrological image of the right to choose whether you want to be pregnant or not as the key to equality between men and women. The people who oppose abortion know that, too. http://planetwaves.net/pagetwo/2009/01/22/venus-trine-varuna/

Varuna (2000 WR106) was discovered in 2000 and given designation minor planet 20,000 -- a big honor for the discoverers R. S. McMillan and J. A. Larsen. This was the first planet beyond Pluto to get a name. [It was not the first discovered -- that was 1992 QB1, which has not yet been named.] Varuna has an orbital period of 282 years. Varuna is a mighty god, one of the supreme creation deities of pre-Vedic history, still revered today by many, and this was a landmark astronomical discovery, in part because of its size.

The energy of Varuna is that which is too large to comprehend. In this respect, it has some attributes of the 12th house -- the house of overwhelming or incomprehensible aspects of life that act out of sight or in the deep background.

One astrologer who has done some interesting work with Varuna is Juan Revilla of Costa Rica. In an email conversation a few years ago, Juan explained to me his interpretation that Varuna is quite literally "behind everything" -- a potent and ominous force lingering in the far reaches of our lives. Among the many deities who have had planets and asteroids named for them, Varuna's energy seems closest to what we think of as God, the all-knowing cosmic entity that exists silently behind consciousness and events.

Varuna (now in Cancer) also deals with the punishment of liars and those who violate contracts. In earlier times, mortals who did not keep their word would meet his wrath. He could bestow immortality as well. Astrological associations noted by Revilla include the impersonal laws of nature (as opposed to human nature) and the incomprehensible cosmic order (as opposed to the order of society). Questions of the gain and loss of reputation, and the issue of immortality through fame, seem inevitable with this planet.

My phrase for Varuna is, "the great equalizer."
http://planetwaves.net/astrology/waterworlds.html

http://www.astrologic.ru/english/Varuna.htm

Subject: the varunization of America http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/posts/mundane/varunization.html

posted June 23, 2009 01:51 PM         

Varuna came to the attention of astronomers on November 28, 2000,
initially known as Kuiper Belt Object (KBO) 2000WR106. Once its orbital parameters were refined, it was given the Minor Planet Number
20000. This numbering process occurred fairly quickly given the object’s low eccentricity. Then, on March 6, 2000, the minor planet received its name - one of
the first Vedic namesakes applied!
Varuna means “he who covers,” most likely an association with his once held rulership of the heavens. At one point Varuna maintained a top deity ranking. Not only did he direct the heavens, he managed the waters, regulated day and night, oversaw the flight of birds, took care of the motions of the Sun and Moon and served as honored guest at all ceremonies. A master healer, he
applied healing, cosmic waters, much akin to Aquarius, for the good of people. This flow also symbolized the natural internal movement of kundalini energy.
Varuna was motivated to relieve karma, absolve the pain of wrongdoing, and guide people on their way. This would be
done with proper choices, forthright activity and clear vision.
He could remove sin, pain, debt and injury, if only one offered proper propitiation.
So, what went wrong? Given than Varuna was a god of illusion (maya) he was inclined to the use of soma. This hallucinogen perhaps granted visions and insights, but it
angered other deity. After a time, he was reduced in authority to keeper of the waters, his profound responsibilities being largely replaced by Shiva and Vishnu.29 Much of his subsequent work went to assist drowning souls.

Varuna, being a slower moving body, as will be the case with all the Trans-Neptunian bodies,operates as a generational influence. Should an individual hold personal natal contacts (critical angles, Sun, Moon, Mercury through Mars) in precise relations with Varuna, then a specialized
soul mission evolves within Varuna’s themes.
One might suspect that working with the planetary waters or heavenly waters (the atmosphere) would become natural concerns. A consciousness of fighting pollution and the will to take on adversaries who disrespect water, sky and Earth could be a huge life theme. Personal contacts with Varuna suggest an additional urge to work to spread consciousness, a sense of collective
cooperation (and an understanding of how all thoughts and actions affect every other thought and actions).

Given that many people currently complain about drowning in the emotional tides prevailing upon the planet, Varuna takes charge in the nick of time. On the most personal level, his attentions refer to the node and perihelion point. This comes from the blending of Cancer (North node) and Aries (perihelion). Such a combination reflects the urge for self-nurturing at the most fundamental level. One must make personal care the utmost priority. Feeding the self on all levels of real world reality (food, drink, feeling, love) supports the spirit in self-realization to the
extent that it may assert itself into the flow of the cosmic waters. Participation on the planet becomes an important task, but follows proper personal sustenance.
This reminds me of a conversation I heard in a bathroom in San Francisco years ago. One man said to another, “First you work on yourself, then you work on the world. When you get tired,you pull back and take care of yourself again. Then, you have more to give back to the planet again.” Truer words were probably never spoken. There’s nothing more frustrated than a healer with no more gas to give.

Transits to natal Varuna would imply an awareness of what must be done on the planet. Whether a person simply e-mails suggestions to powers that be or actually gets involved depends upon the aspects involving the natal planets to Varuna.
Transits from Varuna will last a good while (even longer than Pluto). Some assessment as to the quality of life one lives naturally would appear. Are you doing things in a good, strong,purposeful manner? Or should you start conjuring images in your mind as to what might happen to your soul if there is to be a judgment day? Regardless, of your conclusion, Varuna encourages you to participate within the needs of your spirit, your planet and your sky, while you walk upon
the planet.

Given his emphasis on all things working as they should, the timing could not better. Regardless of the astronomical/astrological arguments for Varuna’s application, he renders hope, method and healing in a most difficult global state. He seeks to inspire those who listen. We already have our headsets on our heads.

For what it’s worth, in the “no conclusion yet to make” category, during the terrorists attacks of September 11, 2001, Varuna stood in virtual conjunction with the Sun in the horoscope of the United States.

posted June 23, 2009 02:20 PM         

You're very welcome.

I don't take any of the transneptunians and their nodes lightly. I have quite a few in close aspects to my personal stuff. I had significant events that happened during transneptunian transits. I am definitely not taking my Moon square retrograde Varuna with 10 minutes of arc lightly, and see how I experienced Varuna with my mother. I also feel that it fits with longtime belief in the death penalty which I don't have any more. That was connected to my mom's shooting. I feel that death penalty seems more like revenge than justice. I don't believe in playing God with people's lives. Many innocent people have been on death row and been exonerated by DNA evidence.

With some astrologers saying that retrograde objects have to do with pastlife karma,
I guess my Varuna being retrograde and in close aspect to my Moon can indicate that I have some serious pastlife issues involving Varuna that I have to sort out.

"Venus de Lionessee mentioned "Hind" as the ancient name of India, that is why I used it."

I see

I checked mine

Hind in 10'02 Taurus R in 9th
square Lunar Nodes in 10'29 Aquarius/Leo in 5th and 11th houses

posted June 23, 2009 02:37 PM         

1 degree orb maximum

in my chart:

Helio Hind Nodes in 3'29 Gemini/Sagittarius in my 9th and 3rd houses
conjunct Helio Nasi Nodes in 2'54 Gemini/Sagittarius in 9th and 3rd houses
conjunct/oppose Varuna in 3'01 Gemini R in 9th
conjunct/oppose Pallas in 2'36 Gemini R in 9th
square Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th
trine/sextile Vesta in 3'01 Aquarius in 5th
trine/sextile Karma in 3'01 Libra in 1st

I guess that I have strong,tough karma involving India.

I also wonder if I had pastlife involving Nazi Germany.

you can calculate nodes of objects here
http://true-node.com/

posted June 23, 2009 03:41 PM         

I am pretty sure myself, that I have had a past life in NaziGermany. Why on earth did I choose to reincarnate here again though?

Well, the helio Nodes of

Hind is on 03°30 Gemini in my 6th house
Nasi is on 02°39 Gemini in my 6th house

The geocentric Nodes of Hind and Nasi are squaring my Moon.

But there are no too obvious connections except for the opposition to my Amor on 02°08 SAgittarius in 12th house and maybe quinkunx Vesta on 1°22 Capricorn and quinkunx Uranus on 1°21 Scorpio.

BTW I noticed that my Nasi on 11°23 Leo in my 8th house falls on your SN and squares your Hind.