posted June 24, 2009 01:46 PM         

"DD,
I think the OVIDIUS connection and other Latin/Roman specific Asteroids deserve their own thread. This thread needs to be re-edited and the GU type discussion moved to the GU page"

I completely agree with you.
But since noone kept it to the astrology about India, I thought I could make my own thread within this thread.
I was waiting for a response like yours.

posted June 24, 2009 01:49 PM         

The independence chart has a stellium of
Venus,Saturn,Pluto conjunct in Leo within 3 degrees,and Sun in Leo is conjunct that too.
Jupiter in Scorpio squares all that.

So it does have a strong Pluto, and so that can be the aura of being mysterious and intense that's being perceived by certain people. That could also indicate power issues too...issues with betrayal and trust.

Venus conjunct Saturn squared by Jupiter indicates the conservtism restrictions,limitations involving culture that is connected to religion. This also fits with things like fixed marriage and low divorced rate.

Venus contraparallel Jupiter enhances the Venus square Jupiter

There is Mars-Uranus-Pluto parallel in the declinations, and that can fit the violence,power issues,and independence in that country

Mercury sextile Neptune indicates communicating,learning about spirituality,mysticism

Sun trine Sedna seems to indicate that it can express itself as a high consciousness country

Sun sextile Uranus also fits with the opportunity to express itself as innovative,independent

Neptune oppose Eris fits with possible issues about spiritual diversity
but Mercury is trine Eris, and so there can be communications about diversity as well as divergent viewpoints.

Jupiter is conjunct both the heliocentric South Mercury and Mars Nodes which indicates religion connected to collective communications and collective assertions
This can indicate challenges involving education and violence.
The conjunction is in Scorpio, and so it can involve mysteries,power.

posted June 24, 2009 02:42 PM         

btw, you don't have to use bold or capital letters to make your point. You are pathetically loud enough"

Orange,

I just think that calling venusdeindia as being crazy,hypocritical as well as other derogatory things is something that shouldn't be done. It's no different from her telling me that I am delusional,have whacked out ego issues,and have oedipal complexes.

I have refrained from putting her down and attacking her. I haven't insulted her nor belittle her in any way. I feel that it's best that you should do the same.

I think that it's best to turn the other cheek. I feel that it's ok to defend ourselves, but we shouldn't insult,attack,nor make derogatory remarks in the process.

I don't blame her for passionately defending her country. That's what many people do any way. It's no different from people passionately defending USA because it's being accused of racism,intolerance,self righteous hyprocisy.

I haven't been angry one bit in this thread. I have been passionate,intense, but not angry.

If I was, I'd be called "crazy" too, and so I refrain from being angry.

All I did was try to give an alternative view about India. I see nothing wrong with that. We are human beings and have the right to express our views.

there will always be different views about things

hence, we have so many religions,faiths,ideologies on our planet.

also

venusdeindia doesn't seem to understand that my belief in equality of all human beings and that everybody should treated equal stems from my past as a special education student.

When I was in special education, I was treated unequally because I was in special education and my Dyslexic,Dyspraxic issues that include mainly language processing and coordination issues. I know what it was like to be treated inferior. I was called "retard" on a regular basis by normal children who acted like my superiors.
Like many special education needs children, I was extremely sensitive,emotional and tended to overreact to what people say and do to me.

It taught me to treat others like I want to be treated - a fellow human being with a soul. It taught me to believe in equality and not look down on others that are different in some way.

straight up special education is a very humbling experience.

My Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD are nothing but a neurodivergences that involve left hemisphere weaknesses and right hemisphere strengths. I don't suffer from Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD. I suffered from the difficulties and the misunderstandings and intolerances of these difficulties and my differences.

I think that my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD strengths factor into my strengths as an astrologer, and their weaknesses factor into my weaknesses when it comes to calculating charts. I am right brain dominant. Picture thinking is my primary mode of thinking. It's not word thinking.

Some people try to judge me based on normal neurological processing people standards.

The thing is that I have a neurodivergence, and so I have different neurological processing. Therefore comparing a neurodivergent to a neurotypical is like comparing apples and oranges.

we can't be compared to neurotypicals when it comes to way we speak,listen,perform things, how we act, and our emotions and things like eye contact.

If it wasn't for early intervention special education therapies, I'd be similar to somebody as having autism. I wouldn't be able to use language nor be able to use motor skills efficiently. That effects not only learning but also grooming,self help skills, do-it-yourself stuff as well as social skills.

as a child, people knew that I had special needs. They were so obvious.

as an adult, people don't understand that. Many people will see my neurodivergent strengths but don't realize that I have neurodivergent weaknesses. On the other hand, people will see my neurodivergent weakness but don't realize that I have neurodivergent strengths. Both people don't understand the complexity and paradox of neurodivergence. It's like being both "smart" and "stupid". Many of us neurodivergents are referred to as "Twice exceptional" too.

There is lot of ignorance and lack of awareness of neurodivergent adults compared to neurodivergent children.

There is lot of misconception that children have neurodivergence, but neurodivergent children grow up to be neurodivergent adults.
they still remain the extremely sensitive,emotional,"overreactive" types, but they learn to not to cry and pout,...especially this goes for men. Instead of it can manifest as expressing hurt feelings as anger. That same extreme sensitivity,emotionality can also make them caring about others and treat others nicely. If people don't understand where they've been, then their actions can be seen with suspicion by others. I don't believe that you can understand a person unless you walk a mile in their shoes.

I believe that my life purpose is to be a neurodiversity advocate, and I believe that my karmic lessons are mainly about tolerance of diversity. That's why I was born multiracial to black father and white mother in San Francisco,California and had half Japanese stepsisters who were like real sisters to me. That's why I am male that doesn't fit male stereostypes.

I defy stereotypes and boundaries without even trying. Most of all my life, I didn't act like I want to be different. If anything, I tried hard to act normal so people would not know that I am different. I pretty much was in the closet most of my life and lived in fear of people knowing about my special education past. I'd be afraid of women rejecting for being "special", and so I kept my past a secret from them. Heck..I was insecure that women wouldn't like me nor have children with me because of having bad genes that can be passed on to our children.
Ever since learning about neurodivergence in 2003, I don't believe that any more. I don't see myself as an inferior person. I believe that I am equal with everybody else. I definitely don't see myself as superior to anybody else.

I used to be very ashamed of being different. I used to have an inferiority complex, thinking that I was stupid,ugly,incompetent,worthless. I was confused about who and what I was on a neurological,racial level. I have learned to be more secure in myself. With the growing security, I have become more open, and I try to raise awareness,understanding and help with tolerance.

all you have to do is read the psychological report that talks about my personality and my insecurities....my avoidant personality disorder, dysthymia,and generalized anxiety diagnosis http://astynaz.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album01&id=LD_ADHD_ Assessment_005

DANDA explains this perfectly about neurodivergence http://www.danda.org.uk/pages/about-danda.php

Raymond

posted June 24, 2009 04:07 PM         

It is a country that mystifies most people, strikes us all and leaves us wondering in so many ways.

Is there a country quite like India?"

Nah, I don't have a chart fr India. However, it is not a country that mystifies me, strikes me, or leaves me wondering in many ways. And that is NOT a shot at the country India or Carl.

Its just not a country that interests me in any way.

posted June 24, 2009 04:13 PM         

I feel the same concerning China. I know that it is a country with an ancient culture, and I respect that (as much as criticise much of what seemingly happens in that country today, even though I have to be careful to judge, as I have never been there).

posted June 24, 2009 04:13 PM         

I feel the same concerning China. I know that it is a country with an ancient culture, and I respect that (as much as criticise much of what seemingly happens in that country today, even though I have to be careful to judge, as I have never been there).

posted June 24, 2009 04:22 PM         

With Asia, I am mystified. The whole martial arts thing. Their honor system. Their language. Their art. Their culture. I like it. I even taught myself some Mandarin and Cantonese Potungua lol! I do have a pecking order when it comes to Asian countries though. Japan first, Manchuria 2nd, Beijing 3rd, Shanghai 4th, South Korea 4th. I'd like to visit some of the other Asian countries too but those I am most intrigued by.

Then you have countries like Somalia or Darfur that I would NEVER want to visit just because of the wars and whatnot. Though I must say Egypt ranks waaaaaaaaaaaayyyy up their on my list of places to visit.

posted June 24, 2009 04:34 PM         

I was fascinated with Chinese culture. I loved the Kung Fu movies. Chinese food is my 3rd favorite food after Mexican and Italian.

I was fascinated with Japanese culture. I would say that's because of my half Japanese stepsisters. I liked being in Japan when I was there when I was in the navy. I liked a Japanese girl in high school.

My first major crush was a girl named Ginger who was a special education student like me. She was in 1st grade,and I was in 2nd grade. When she told me that she was half Japanese, I was like "whooaa....really cool!" I think that actually made me more attracted to her.

On WESTPAC deployment when I was in the navy, I went to Singapore and Hong Kong. I enjoyed both places. I had no complaints.
Hong Kong was so hot and humid though.

I would definitely go back to those countries for a visit. I see myself doing that in my old age.

Japanese animation...anime.....that's awesome stuff.

I just never had an interest in India except for Vedic Astrology for a year. I was actually had a passion for Vedic Astrology,and I learned it quickly. A guy that introduced me to Vedic Astrology pointed that out to me. I think that the more passionate that I am about something,the quicker and better I can learn it. It's not in regards to speed of information processing but the deep immersion and the excessive repetition connected to the obsessiveness of my Dyspraxia and the hyperfocus of my ADHD.

some astrologers would say that it's reflected by Mercury-Venus conjunction in Scorpio in 3rd. Maybe even my Mercury conjunct the heliocentric south nodes of Mercury and Mars.

I admit that I am most fascinated with the United Kingdom. I always loved things about England ever since I could remember. I was passionate about the Arthurian Legends which I feel have attributed to my idealism and belief in equality. At the Round Table, all knights were equal. The table was round to express equality. I believed in the chivalry and the aiding of damsels of distress,defending honor of self and others. I dressed as a knight with the stuff that my stepfather got me for my birthday. He knew about my passion for knights,swords,armor.
I used to have a lot of penpals from the UK,and I even fell in love with an English nanny. This was during my last Navy years.

I believe that I had a pastlives in the UK including some as knights. I am sure that I probably had some as serfs which are like at the bottom of the feudal system. They were almost like slaves.

Raymond

posted June 24, 2009 04:45 PM         

I think he did mean for it to be about astrology and not political. I think what riled people up was his thinking that everyone felt the same way about it as he did.

posted June 24, 2009 04:48 PM         

I am also fascinated with the United Kingdom very much.

I was fascinated with India, too. But mostly with the mythology and the spirituality.

posted June 24, 2009 04:59 PM         

exactly...it goes both ways.

people are allowed to have their opinions,views,and beliefs without being attacked,ridiculed,and talked to like they are stupid,childish,and other things coupled with character attacks like head in their ass, whacked out ego,oedipal complexes, as well as other things.

people are allowed to share different alternative viewpoints without being lashed at.

nobody dissed a whole culture nor a whole group of people. We just pointed out that many people don't have the same view, and we stated reasons why. Lucia expressed hers. I pointed out the Dalits issues in India.
Many actually convert to other religions because they feel that Hinduism a religion of oppression. Some Dalits review the caste system as no different from racism. The black untouchables was an interesting video about how the castes were like divided to the color or mixture of the ethnicities and that the untouchables were the black caste.
This is what Dr. Velu Annamalai said. Those are his views. Not mine. He knows this stuff from personal experience as an untouchable. He refers to Hinduism as Brahmanism. He even believes that religion can be called sanctified racism. Religions have been used to promote unequality and condone mistreatment of others.

he even said the following:

"Let me find out what God he is? Who made me be an "untouchable"? Tell me what I did in my last life. I sure want to find out. Ok. I sure want to talk to the God. Maybe I'll shoot him! Because I know the life of an untouchable in India. But what the Aryans did, they made us completely dumb. Completely ignorant. Completely Illiterate. Completely poor. Completely weak in every sense of the word for 3000 years." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNYYTg5zloM&feature=related

There are lot of Dalits that obviously don't share the views of others about India being a spiritual,enlightened country. Who can blame them. They are an oppressed people. The term,dalit means oppressed.

anybody that watches the videos and read about the Dalits can understand that.

There is an organization to help Dalits be delivered from oppression. The Dalit Freedom Network.

I can't help that my compassion for the Dalits strongly outweigh any fascination and reverence of India.

it has nothing to do with delusion,whacked out ego,oedipal issues, nor identifying with a victim either,self righteousness,nor moral superiority.

posted June 24, 2009 05:52 PM         

Republic of India
January 26, 1950, at 10:15 am IST, Delhi (28n40, 77e13)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/countries/india.php

Sun in 5'40 Aquarius
square Moon in 5'42 Taurus
trine Mars in 9'23 Libra
sextile/trine Lunar Nodes in 9'42 Aries/Libra
sextile Ceres in 4'00 Sagittarius
sextile Eris in 6'25 Aries

Jupiter in 12'22 Aquarius
Venus in 13'53 Aquarius R

Mercury in 18'40 Capricorn R
trine Saturn in 18'47 Virgo
square Neptune in 17'20 Libra
quincunx Pluto in 17'16 Leo R

Heliocentric Nodes (the collective energies)
no more than 2 degree
Ptolemaic aspects only

calculated here http://www.true-node.com/pos/

Neptune Nodes in 11'13 Leo/Aquarius - collective idealism,imagination,mysticism,illusion,deception
oppose/conjunct Jupiter in 12'22 Aquarius

Pluto Nodes in 19'38 Cancer/Capricorn - collective power,intensity,transformation,obsession,compulsion
oppose/conjunct Mercury in 18'40 Capricorn R

Mercury Nodes in 17'44 Taurus/Scorpio - collective communications,intellect,learning
Mars Nodes in 19'10 Taurus/Scorpio - collective passion,assertion,anger,violence
trine/sextile Mercury in 18'40 Capricorn R

Uranus Nodes in 13'44 Gemini/Sagittarius - collective innovation,independence,liberation,detachment
trine Venus in 13'53 Aquarius R
trine Jupiter in 12'22 Aquarius

Eris Nodes in 5'17 Taurus/Scorpio - collective diversity,ideology,equality matters,divergence,controversy
conjunct/oppose Moon in 5'42 Taurus
square Sun in 5'40 Aquarius

My synastry with India

My Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio sextile India's Mercury IN 18'40 Capricorn

My Sun in 5'20 Scorpio forms a t-square with India's Sun in 5'40 Aquarius square Moon in 5'42 Taurus

India's Ceres in 4'00 Sagittarius forms a t-square with my Moon in 3'11 Pisces square Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R

India's Sun in 5'40 Aquarius trine my Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R

India's Venus in 13'53 Aquarius R trine my Uranus in 15'17 Libra

India's Jupiter in 12'22 Aquarius conjuncts my North Lunar Node in 10'29 Aquarius

India's Venus in 13'53 Aquarius R conjuncts my North Lunar Node in 10'29 Aquarius

India's Mars in 9'23 Libra sextiles my Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius

India's Mars in 9'23 Libra opposes my Chiron in 10'32 Aries R

My Moon in 3'11 Pisces sextile India's Midheaven in 3'06 Capricorn

My Sun in 5'20 Scorpio sextile India's Midheaven in 3'06 Capricorn

My Saturn in 5'08 Gemini sextile India's Ascendant in 4'49 Aries

India's Venus in 13'53 Aquarius R opposes my Ceres in 13'57 Leo

India's Jupiter in 12'22 Aquarius opposes my Ceres in 13'57 Leo

India's Stationary Lunar Nodes in 9'42 Aries/Libra sextile my Lunar Nodes in 10'29 Aquarius/Leo

My Chiron in 10'32 Aries conjuncts India's Stationary North Lunar Node in 9'42 Aries

another thing

India's Moon in 5'42 Taurus is in an exact opposition to my true black Moon Lilith in 5'42 Scorpio R

I have Sun in 5'20 Scorpio, and so my Sun-true BML opposes India's Moon.

I think that indicates my expression of feminism,liberalism,rebelliousness at odds with India's emotional,domestic stuff.

also my Sun and true black moon lilith is conjunct South Eris Node in 5'20 Scorpio like India's Moon is conjunct North Eris Node in Taurus and its Sun square the South Eris Nodes.

so our Sun-true black moon lilith opposition and our Sun-Sun-Moon t-square aspects the Eris Nodes

That could be the issues that I have with India in regards to equality,ideology,equal/civil rights matters involving the Dalits (Untouchables) in India.

hmmmmmm...maybe I should support the Dalit Freedom Network.

I have light brown/dark tan skin from being part black on my father's side. I have complexion that is similar to many in the Middle Eastern countries. I have the looks too....it's probably stemming from being part Portuguese which has arab as part of their composition as in the Moors and Berbers. I have been mistaken for Arab, but also Indian too. My late Portuguese grandfather look like he could be an arab. He even looked like Saddam Hussein.
if I stayed out in the sun a lot like I did when I was kid during the summer, I can get to a medium-dark brown. If I was in India,I could be treated just like those untouchables.

posted June 24, 2009 06:53 PM         

"It is a country that mystifies most people, strikes us all and leaves us wondering in so many ways."
if 'most' were to be 'many' it would read slightly different ..
'strikes us all' .. all ?? ..
fair enough .. it reads like 'everyone' ..
whatever .. i read it like a fire sign musing as opposed to saying .. "this is how it is"

if it's a query as to why Carl is mystified .. the answer probably lies in his chart ..
maybe it's just one eve's drunken musing and an indian girl crossed his path by chance triggered 'it' ..
who knows .. at the end of the day it's Carl's perception of India ..

i think if one looks at Carls chart .. the impulsive expansive exclamation about being mystified by India is self evident ..
moon in aries trine venus in sag ..
~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/201307.html ~
and looking at the first chart pic for india in this thread ..
one can note .. his moon and venus be trine the natal sun ..
his moon and venus in aspect to that charts sun .. be one point to take into account ..
( i didn't look any further than that .. )

posted June 24, 2009 08:06 PM         

the political and the spirituality,religion of India....especially look at it from socioeconomical perspective....especially if you consider the caste system.

It is the recognition of an independent government.

The Republic Day of India is a national holiday of India to mark the adoption of the Constitution of India and the transition of India from a British Dominion to a republic on January 26, 1950. It is one of the three national holidays in India.

Although India obtained its independence on August 15, 1947, it did not yet have a permanent constitution; instead, its laws were based on the modified colonial Government of India Act 1935, and the country was a Dominion, with George VI as head of state and Earl Mountbatten as Governor General. On August 29, 1947, the Drafting Committee was appointed to draft a permanent constitution, with Dr. Ambedkar as the Chairman. A Draft Constitution was prepared by the committee and submitted to the Assembly on November 4, 1947. The Assembly met, in sessions open to public, for 166 days, spread over a period of 2 years, 11 months and 18 days before adopting the Constitution. After many deliberations and some modifications, the 308 members of the Assembly signed two hand-written copies of the document (one each in Hindi and English) on January 24, 1950. Two days later, the Constitution of India became the law of all the Indian lands. The Constitution of India came into effect only on January 26, 1950. Following January 26, 1950, Rajendra Prasad was elected as the president of India. This was, in fact, a deliberate act, signing the constitution on 26th January, to mark and respect the freedom fighters who wanted 26 January as India's initial independence day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_Day_(India)

posted June 24, 2009 09:01 PM         

"** I think what riled people up was his thinking that everyone felt the same way about it as he did.**
that's other people 'assuming' what Carl meant .. maybe rightly .. maybe wrongly .."

nobody was riled up in any way. Lucia and I just expressed our views,opinions,and beliefs that were in counter to Carl's.

Just because a person does that doesn't mean that they are riled up, upset,angry, or whatever.

When I responded to the thread. I wasn't even emotional about it. I was rather detached,objective when I expressed an alternative viewpoint and pointed out the Untouchable/Dalit issue in India. I even posted links that anybody could click on to see what I am talking about.

I would do the same thing about other things that I disagree with in regards to racism in USA,and I have been slammed for it. I wasn't upset and angry nor riled up any way when I express my viewpoints aobut USA is not all that great when it comes to race relations. I just wrote a long post and gave my own reasons, and elaborated as well as posted links to support my views. I tend to do that all the time. None of this stuff was from the tabloids.

I wish people can express counter viewpoints without people getting on our butts because they don't like what we say and then accuse of dissing a whole entire culture,people etc.

then twist it to make it like it we're intolerant of diversity when actually we are and trying to express that point, especially in regards to belief of equality and equal rights as homo sapiens.

being tolerant of diversity is not just expressing your viewpoint. It is also about being to respond to the viewpoint whether you disagree with it or not. You can give views that are diverge from the viewpoint that is given.

when a person gives a viewpoint and then gets slammed,lashed at, and attacked as well as making remarks like "head in one"s ass as well as things like dumbfest, whacked out ego,oedipal issues. That's not tolerant of diversity.

That's no different from calling people stupid for given viewpoints that diverge from somebody's religious,spiritual beliefs.
of course, a lot of of that goes on. That's why we have so many religions on this planet with some divided like Christianity is divided into numerous denominations.

let me tell you straight up

If I am angry,riled up,and angry

you will know

by the following things:

1. words, sentences,paragraphs in capital letters. That's viewed as shouting,yelling.

2. use of exclamation points which is also viewed as shouting,yelling

3. the use of profanity

so unless a person sees me do those things, don't assume about my emotional state behind my delivery of words. I could actually say that's being arrogant,condescending,and patronizing because they have the audacity to think that they know what I am feeling without knowing me. I get the view that people in here take their intuitive feelings for granted like they are not wrong even though biases can actually color those perceptions. That's why I don't care for the first impressions count stuff. Biases,prejudices,and past experiences can actually influence first impressions. Some people think that they know stuff about people from reading psychology books and having degrees in psychology,and they think that they know how people work. That stuff doesn't work on neurodivergent people. Like I said before, judging neurodivergents' behaviors and communications based on neurotypical standards are like comparing apples from oranges.

I also tend to make lengthy responses to what people say, and I feel that can mistaken for being upset. I tend to be passionate and intense in my communications. I can have an obsessive,hyperfocus way of communicating and getting my points across. That's linked to my Dyspraxia and ADHD.

I find that many people can feel free to talk smack to people, but they don't like it when others retort in response.

I have always been a believer in self defense. I am not into letting people walk all over me.

any ways....please don't assume that a person is riled up because they express alternative viewpoints.

Raymond

posted June 25, 2009 12:03 AM         

Yes, we all have different places we are drawn to. Personally, I'd love to travel pretty much anywhere, but I can't say I've ever had a huge fascination with Japan, China, or Korea (Nepal, Thailand, Indonesia much more so). Not really a draw towards ancient Greece or Rome either. Ancient Egypt, the UK (both in the middle ages and 18-19th century), India, Native Americans, The US in the 1960's, YES! And all of those from the time I first learned of them as a child.