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GemGemGem Knowflake Posts: 93 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 29, 2009 10:23 AM
"I think with a conjunction between planets that do not seamlessly conjoin, sometimes the native ends up flipping back and forth, overexpressing one planet at a time and/or being incapable of expressing EITHER, leading to a kind of uncomfortable chokehold in that house/sign."Lucia, I agree. I feel like it's one or the other. No blending. One minute his energy is one way, another minute, it's an entirely different energy. Like two different people. My moon/neptune is highly sensitive to energies and mood changes, so everytime he shifts into another mode, I pick up on it.
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Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1933 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 29, 2009 10:29 AM
the idea of conjunction is merging,fusionso when 2 planets are in conjunction, the energies of those objects merge and are in fusion, especially with very close,exact conjunctions. so with Moon conjunct Uranus emotional nature,feelings,instincts,intuition,unconscious merge,fuse with independence,innovation,detachment,objectivity,unconventionality,unexpected Raymond
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scrappydog Knowflake Posts: 291 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted October 29, 2009 11:06 AM
I agree, I've dated/married two different men with moon conj uranus in scorpio. You also can never really trust them.IP: Logged |
Plutonian Persona Knowflake Posts: 131 From: Denver, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 29, 2009 05:58 PM
Generalizing is never a good idea. Just because someone has the Moon conjunct Uranus doesn't mean they are evil, bad, etc. If you actually look at the person and see what their behavior patterns are you can discern whether or not they are right for you. If you are only looking at what you want to look for in a person you are going to get your heart broken every time. Breaking down the illusion and taking a hard look at reality in a relationship is difficult, but worth it.What's more is that the other person is not doing anything to you, you are the one who chooses to involve yourself in a relationship, you are the one who chooses to get angry towards the other person, and you are the one who ultimately decides whether or not you want to be with the other person; it's not the other way round. If you want someone who is emotionally independent, aloof, etc. than a Moon conjunct Uranus person is perfect, if you are looking for steady emotional involvement from a Moon/Uranus person it's not going to happen. MVM and I are on the same page: the posts on LL are starting to become extremely flippant. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1517 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 29, 2009 10:56 PM
quote: Generalizing is never a good idea.
But actually, even the most creatively interpretive practices of western astrology are premised on categorization--defining traits according to the positions of planets upon the native's first breath--and categorization is, well, GENERALIZING. The whole is idea that, say, a particular Mars placement is associated with particular traits, and therefore everyone with that Mars placement (as just one example) will have those traits. I find a lot of the objections on LindaLand (not yours or MVM's here, by the way, but some others in other threads) to be highly hypocritical, or at best theoretically flawed. For example, the whole, "Synastry can show that [insert celebrity who is a stranger to you here] is your Soul Mate or in your Soul Family"....oh, BUT, "You can't use that to assume that you are 'Meant' to have a relationship." HUH. It's like deciding that astrology is totally deterministic and fate-based, except when actually tested against real life--and THEN it has to be rationalized. I don't think you can have it both ways. I'm not sure whether it's possible to accurately generalize personality traits, life events, relationship compatibilities, or other dynamics within people's lives using astrology--but THAT IS ACTUALLY THE PREMISE OF ASTROLOGY. Exactly that!! I am sometimes skeptical about astrology, although I find it very accurate sometimes (especially good old crude, simplistic, flippant Sun Sign stereotypes)....it's always inaccurate when badly practiced, like any science or art. Either way, I'm tired of people pretending it is something it isn't. It is absolutely premised on the highly controversial idea that planetary placements cause events or bestow traits (maybe not "cause events", but make them likelier with certain energies). A lot of bright, educated people disavow that idea--and a lot of bright, educated people practice astrology. But that is its premise. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 1671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted October 29, 2009 11:46 PM
I'm skeptical about astrology too - I think that it's a good idea to learn what you can about it, but to use INTUITION as well. Because the interpretations don't go far enough, and the generalizations bug me out. I don't think it's completely healthy in all honesty to pick apart aspects and then start saying such-and-such a person is this way because of asteroid Y conjunct planet WTF. That's just lunacy. And that's not the kind of astrology I'm interested in. At some point you learn what you can about astrology and I would hope we expand our lives by learning more, and integrating. The meanings for astrology aren't set in stone as far as I'm concerned. And I think it's freakin' hilarious that people try to interpret Uranus aspects at all. Uranus is a wild card. It's unpredictable. How can you predict behavior of a person who has Uranus aspects? All Uranus promises is an element of the unexpected, or surprise. Even trying to define HOW is a complete joke. Just stop now. You'll drive yourself crazy if you aren't already In fact, even as a Moon/Uranus person I am highly jealous and possessive (I've got the Taurus and Scorpio stuff which maybe shadows it). I'm also never aloof when it comes to love. But I know how to do my own thing, and there are days when I don't want to deal with the person I love, because, well, I just don't feel like it. And I'm not going to lie and fake my way through the day to spare their feelings so that there's resentment later. If my heart isn't into being all close and cuddly today, just wait, because it'll change lol. It doesn't mean I don't love you, it just means I'm having a thought which isn't about you. Heaven forbid I have thoughts about other things! However, there has not been a love relationship in my life where ANYONE I've been with can ever say that I wasn't emotionally present or supportive of them when they needed me. I do not emotionally abandon. But it's been done to me. Keeping in mind here that Moon/Uranus can also point to the PAST and childhood, and to abandonment issues. And sometimes a Moon/Uranus person is the person abandoned. And sometimes they abandon first because that way they don't get hurt or get left. It depends on the person. I don't even know why I have to write that out. I would hope people don't think in such dull, narrow ways to equate aspects with certain behavior always. That's just crazy. Seriously. And really, who the hell is the same all the time 24/7? What planet do people live on if they think someone has to act in such a way ALL THE TIME in order to prove love? It's like there's no sense of identity to some people sometimes, makes me want to shake them and tell them to get a life. I love you because I like you and my love for you isn't born from ego - and it's not dependent on you fulfilling some unspoken promise. That's Moon/Uranus talking IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 1671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted October 30, 2009 12:23 AM
I have to add more about Moon/Uranus - and I hope those with this aspect will chime in:One thing I have consistently noticed with this aspect is that my feelings hit hard and fast (I'm an Aries moon as well, which adds fuel to it). The feelings ZING and come out of nowhere. And it's a thrill, it feels amazing. I think on some level Moon/Uranus needs excitement too. Things being flat and the same and predictable day in, day out, will often frustrate us. We want the thrill. I know it's not realistic to have ALL THE TIME. But I also know how to inject a fair amount of newness in a relationship when things get stale, to keep it exciting. If the other person is more into always being in a comfort zone, then we've got a real problem. And to have a life of one's own - a life which is interesting - is paramount. That means I have new experiences to bring to the relationship to keep things interesting, to keep it alive and sparkling. I think getting into a rut in a relationship is pure poison. A lot of this is probably my Aries moon talking IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1517 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 30, 2009 12:29 AM
I still think that all Moon-Uranuses are not the same--the square is very different from the opposition, which is very different from the conjunction. Uranus is not the same as my...Uranus.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 1671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted October 30, 2009 12:57 AM
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lionseye*** Knowflake Posts: 268 From: edmonton, ab. ca Registered: May 2009
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posted October 30, 2009 03:54 AM
My Taurus daughter has moon conjunct Uranus in Capricorn. In the 2nd house. I worry about her because her values change so much. She will be just as sure about one set of values as the next, but they always change. And she'll love someone passionately for a while and then she'll feel stifled by them all of a sudden. She leaves a trail of broken hearts in her path I worry that someone will not take it so well eventually and hurt her. But the thing is, when she decides she needs to move on, she still wants to be a part of the x's life as a freind and her commitment to him seems to become more important than it was as a couple. She invites so much drama this way. I worry about her. But she always assures me it's under control.IP: Logged |
Plutonian Persona Knowflake Posts: 131 From: Denver, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 30, 2009 12:44 PM
I think the word I was going for was stereotyping. As you say Lucia, not all Moon-Uranus are the same. My Moon-Uranus conjunction is different from MVM's opposition or lionseye's daughter conjunction. The point that I am getting at is that astrology is a good general guide towards personality, life cycles, etc., but it will only get you so far. The idea that I take issue with concerning a lot of posts on here is fatalism vs. freewill. The astrologer's creed is "The stars guide, they do not compel..." It's like I was saying in my previous reply, we all choose to do whatever we are going to do, no one forces us to do it. It's the same with astrology, just because you have a Moon-Uranus aspect doesn't mean that you are going to have a certain emotional reactions to the outside world, it means that you have the possibility of having those reactions. Many people on here are using astrology as though it is the last word to personality, which as MVM said, is pure lunacy. We are all people with our own foibles that nothing can predict with 100% accuracy. Trying to label someone, whether it be through astrology, Myers-Briggs testing, Enneagram, soul level, or the other myriad different ways to delineate personality will only skim the surface of who someone is. As I was also saying before, it's up to the individual to have their eyes open to the person that are forming a relationship with and not get caught up in their own illusions of who they'd like someone to be. ------------------ "The only way out is through" ---Robert Frost Pluto conjunct Sun & ASC Pluto sextile Mars Pluto square MC 1st house Scorpio Stellium: Moon, Venus, Uranus and Mercury. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1933 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 30, 2009 01:53 PM
I am in 100 percent agreement with Plutonian and Virgo I always stress that free will is the ultimate factor
sh-t...I hated reading about how bad Moon square Neptune when it comes alcoholism,drug addiction,deception,and psychosis is in astrological cookbooks, and then being judged by friggen others for having that aspect. I have that aspect. I hated being judged because I had that aspect with my Moon in Pisces. They isolate the sh-t, and they overlook my Moon square Saturn. I have pointed out in the past that psychological problem indicators in astrology are no different from neuro-divergent indicators in Astrology, especially when you consider that psychological problem symptoms have considerable overlap with neuro-divergence and there is much comorbidity (co-existence of more than condition in a person) between the them. That's one of the things that I try to raise awareness as a neuro-diversity advocate in Astrology,having an interest in Astro-Neuropsychology, wanting to help neuro-divergents through Astrology. Moon is also associated with the brain. It is also associated with the bodily fluids. It is also associated with the eyes. Moon has many rulerships.
A person can easily be misjudged by their charts. lets face it, Astrology is not a proven science. The only good arguments for astrology is Michel Gauquelin's statistical work,and none of it had to do with traditional Astrology. It was only about the placement of planets,especially angular contacts. The Gauquelin sectors. I also can't stand the bad rep that Scorpio gets, especially when it comes to sex and power. That's stuff that I can't really really relate to. Heck..I probably had far less sexual experience than most people here. Maybe it's because my Sun is in the constellation of Virgo any way. I have Virgo Ascendant,but that might not mean anything as it's more of the persona,what people see me as. Sun is like the core self. My Mars in Aquarius doesn't like to control people, being a natural rebel. My Sun conjunct South Eris Node can be controversial as it goes against the status quo,diverges from the norm,diverse. I am a believer in Psychological Astrology. It was reading about Carl Jung using Astrology for psychological insights that got me seriously into Astrology. It was reading the psychological astrology textbooks of Dr. Glenn Perry that got me to be an effective psychological astrologer. I lost them. I want to re-order them. http://www.aaperry.com/index.asp?pgid=1
I am still interested in Psychological Astrology,but I also like karmic/reincarnational astrology like Transformational Astrology of Stephen Arroyo and Evolutionary Astrology of Jeffrey Wolf Green and Steven Forrest. Of course, I am very much interested in Astro-Neuropsychology. I like the event-oriented,highly geometrical Astrology of Cosmobiology. I recently got an Evolutionary Astrology book by Maurice Fernandez called ASTROLOGY AND THE EVOLUTION OF CONSCIOUSNESS the following is from KEYWORDS FOR ASTROLOGY by Hajo Banzhaf and Anna Haebler I first got this book back in 1999,and it strongly influenced how I thought about aspects after I got into Astrology in 1998. page ix
These key words should then be understood as a description of one portion of the whole. Many opportunities for development are concealed in every aspect in the chart. However,how, and to what degree, they are manifested, and what level they attain always depends upon the personality's degree of maturity--precisely this factor is not revealed in the horoscope. This is why we have also consciously dispensed with stating the commonly made differentiation between good and bad, easy and difficult, harmonious and tension-laden, auspicious and misfortune-bringing configurations. Such definitions are foolish. We have seen horoscopes that were full of so-called harmonious aspects, yet the people affected were caught up in deep crises in life. Life simply ran on without meaning. Nothing had challenged them and/or even forced them to make something of their lives. Everything was simply easy and superficial, and after a certain point in time it became unbearable. On the other hand, it is widely known that the horoscopes of great personalities are charged with tensions. For this reason, we have described all the horoscope factors in their polar tensions as strengths and problem areas--or for the aspects--as harmony and discord. We have followed the development from the obstruction to the solution solely in the case of Saturn, the Lord of Time (Cronos). It may certainly be true that a difficult astrological configuration, such as a planet positioned in "detriment" or in "fall," or irritated or impaired by difficult aspects (such as a square or opposition) initially attracts attention from its critical side. Yet, there is not only the possibility of transformation, but also the responsibility to transform, in each of these configurations. From the astrological perspective, the horoscope describes the starting situation in which we being our life on Earth. Now our task is polishing ourselves against our various tensions until we succeed in uniting all the original discord into a great harmonious symphony. page 223 Moon-Uranus: Emotional Dynamite
ARCHETYPE: The Unique Queen and The Court Jester SHADOW: The Noncommittal Woman and Agitator COMPARISON: Moon-Uranus Closeness-Distance Patience-Impatience Dependence-Independence Feeling of Security-Freedom Emotion-Idea Monopolizing-Taking Flight GENERAL: Surprising (Uranus), unpredictable (Uranus), vacillating (Uranus), crazy (Uranus) feelings (Moon). Longing (Moon) for freedom (Uranus) and independence (Uranus). Tension between closeness (Moon) and distance (Uranus). The spirit of departure (Uranus-Moon). Electrifying (Uranus) feelings (Moon). Sudden emergence (Uranus) of unconscious powers (Moon). Emotional (Moon) fireworks (Uranus).
HARMONY: The Genius at Improvising. Can spontaneously and easily adjust and adapt to new situations and people. Remains inwardly very flexible and always open for what is new. Yet, it still capable of adequately integrating the need for a feeling of emotional security and the demand for independence and freedom. But tolerates neither closed doors nor demands placed on one. Must always do everything voluntarily (a compulsion in itself). Very bright,lively,quick-witted,and imaginative. Has a strongly distinct intuition, and sometimes even clairvoyant abilities.
DISCORD: The Individual Incapable of Commitment. Need for Freedom that takes on a compulsive character. Can never really open to anything on the emotional level. In any type of agreement,always keeps at least one (inner) loophole open. Hates all words of limitation like "never" and "always" and therefore tries to keep at least one option open at all times and in all places. For this reason, prefers to fall in love in "harmless cases," which means in people who are quite certain to be unreachable. Hysterical and easily excitable. Tends to have stage fright. Contradictory,strongly fluctuating, and easily irritated emotions. Quickly feels harassed, coerced,restricted,unfree,and then tears away abruptly and curtly. Chronic dissatisfaction with the present. Tends to have solitary ways. I have Moon-Uranus in a golden section aspect (137'30) with 23 minutes of arc. Golden section,golden ratio is the the divine proportion. Theodor Landscheidt came up with golden section aspects. He believed that the golden ratio applies to sections of the sky. He used golden ratio in his climatology work. http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/consider.htm He seemed to have favored Cosmobiology over traditional Astrology. The aspects seem pretty valid triangular patterns consisting of planets,points in golden section aspects do exist. I found out that they have corresponding midpoint pictures. for example: I have Sun,Mars,and Pluto in a golden section aspect triangle, and I have corresponding midpoint picture of Pluto square Sun/Mars midpoint. 1 degree orb is used for golden section aspects too. the orb could be stretched a few minutes for triangular patterns that have corresponding midpoint pictures within 1 to 1 1/2 degrees. golden section aspects: The following are golden section aspects:
21°15' 34°24' 42°29' 47°30' 55°36' 68°48' 111°15' 124°22' 132°29' 137°30' 145°37' 158°45' Raymond ------------------ "Nothing matters absolutely; the truth is it only matters relatively" - Eckhart Tolle IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1933 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 30, 2009 03:12 PM
Maurice Fernandez wrote the following in his book,ASTROLOGY AND THE EVOLUTION OF CONSCIOUSNESSEvolutionary Lesson for Moon in Aquarius,Moon in 11th,Moon-Uranus aspect The Moon in these positions describes an evolutionary lesson to bridge between the higher mind and the emotions so that new and more effective ways to handle existence are developed. Through observation and education, the person acquires wisdom and insight, and uses it to better manage his or her emotions. The purpose of the Aquarius Moon archetype is to harmonize the mind and emotions, rather than create an imbalance where one overpowers the other and results in dysfunction. Another way to encourage emotional security and development is to create communities and bring people together where resources and insights are shared. Ultimately, the goal is to elevate standards for healthier living.
Raymond
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Plutonian Persona Knowflake Posts: 131 From: Denver, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 30, 2009 05:50 PM
Raymond, it's when you make posts like the two above that I wish I was a super speed reader! The depth and breadth of your knowledge is like the ocean...great observations yet once again.IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 1933 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 30, 2009 07:23 PM
"The depth and breadth of your knowledge is like the ocean...great observations yet once again."Thank you for the compliment, but the last post was only from Maurice Fernandez's book. The interpretations for Moon-Uranus was from the book, KEYWORDS FOR ASTROLOGY. It's a book that I highly recommend for people that want to learn about planetary combinations without the judgmental cookbook stuff. but yeah..I can relate to Moon-Uranus a lot. with Moon being associated with dreams and not just Neptune, I wonder if that aspect has anything to do with science fiction dreams. early this morning, I had dream that I was flying a starfighter in outer space. I would love to have a future life in the far future flying starfighters. I believe that there is such thing as pastlives. I also know some people that do future life progressions. With the dreams of spaceflight that I have,I am starting to wonder. They are nothing like the numerous dreams where I end up flying independent of equipment. The thing is if there is such thing as future life progression, then it would seem like much of our life is determined any way. Brian L. Weiss doesn't just do pastlife regression. He also does future life progression,and he wrote a book on it. I wonder if other people with Moon-Uranus aspects had science fiction dreams.
Raymond
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Plutonian Persona Knowflake Posts: 131 From: Denver, CO, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 30, 2009 09:20 PM
You're welcome for the compliment; it takes a well versed mind to pick out the appropriate quote!It's funny that you talk about science fiction dreams, because the topic of my dreams in my teen years was almost entirely about space flight, flying on my own, or flying with a jet pack! ------------------ "Well I tell them there's no problems, only solutions" --- John Lennon Pluto conjunct Sun & ASC Pluto sextile Mars Pluto square MC 1st house Scorpio Stellium: Moon, Venus, Uranus and Mercury. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 1671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted October 30, 2009 09:24 PM
I agree, Raymond, those were extremely insightful posts!I do have science fiction style dreams as well. Lots of flying dreams as well - but I could control how I fly through sound and pitch and vibration. I remember dreams where I would sing and there would be music, and the pitch and frequency of the music would determine how far up I'd fly. Sounds a bit Neptunian too... maybe it's the 12th house moon? My moon makes no aspects except to Uranus (and Uranus in my chart makes no major aspects either except to my moon). And I've had a multitude of spaceship dreams as well, where they were being flown by the collective minds of people in a circle. I just remember standing in the center of the circle. And there've been other examples as well. I can go on about this indefinitely - but yeah, you've got a point there about those science fiction dreams.
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Nightingale Knowflake Posts: 33 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted October 31, 2009 01:24 AM
GemGemGemSorry to say this, but maybe you misunderstand the nature of astrology. It is: 'As above, so below.' In other words, it is a reflection of reality, because the same forces which move the planets, move us. So, if someone has their Moon conjunct Uranus and YOU find that difficult, it simply means they are the wrong soul for YOU, not the wrong one for everyone. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 348 From: Ohio Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 01, 2009 05:11 AM
quote: If you want someone who is emotionally independent, aloof, etc. than a Moon conjunct Uranus person is perfect, if you are looking for steady emotional involvement from a Moon/Uranus person it's not going to happen.
Maybe it's just that the aspect between my Moon and Uranus is a minor aspect, but this just isn't true for me.
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woah city Knowflake Posts: 448 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 06, 2009 02:38 PM
great thread! i've been awol from LL for a while. mVm and lucia, are you guys gone?i have the opposition and the orb is exact. mVm, i resonate COMPLETELY with what you wrote throughout this thread, and many thanks to glaucus for expanding on the relationship between these two. i definitely feel that i want/require the deepest intimacy possible with my partner but that it has to come from a sense of total freedom within the relationship; which can be a tricky balance, and possibly confuse the crap out of a lot of folks. i suppose it is sort of a vacillation but i feel like it is a continuous adjustment and integration between the two; of maintaining and requiring full autonomy and believing that to be the only way TO have true intimacy with somebody. full presence in the moment and taking EACH moment as new. presence is the moon and each NEW moment is uranus. it's an interesting dichotomy and i'm so glad i read this thread because like mVm said, aspects involving uranus are tricky to understand and particularly with this one i'd only seen the aspect referred to as things like 'fickle, unstable, yadda yadda'. i feel this thread gives moon-uranus its due justice. IP: Logged |
woah city Knowflake Posts: 448 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 06, 2009 06:53 PM
oh! and i used to have flying dreams ALL THE TIME when i was a kid. now i have one every year or so. and there was a technique to it for me too. the funniest was when i was 2 or 3 i dreamed that the sprinkler had to be on inside the house for me to be able to fly. but usually it's getting myself into the flying state of mind and just using willpower. and then it's like this floating thing and as long as i retain the state of mind i keep flying. if i start doubting in my ability, i lose it. flying is an awesome feeling btw. IP: Logged | |