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Cynnared
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posted December 03, 2009 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Last week my 4 month old daughter was taken away from me by child services cause doctors at the hospital made mountains out of molehills.

The baby has been high needs and since her birth i have not been getting a whole lot of support. It was also been a rough year and it's taken it's toll.

I'm not sure what in my chart is showing this....or what is in the baby's chart. I'm suspecious of Neptune in the 1st opposite her Sun in Leo in the 6th.

Baby's data
August 7, 2009 9:08 PM Calgary Alberta

Child taken away
November 25, 2009 6:45 PM Calgary, Alberta


My chart data
April 3, 1971 Calgary, Alberta 9 AM

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GypseeWind
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posted December 03, 2009 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG!

That is terrible!!! I'm so sorry, you must be devastated! Hopefully this will just be temporary. I hope your okay, I wish you the best, I'll be thinking of you.
Sorry I couldn't help with your question, but I just wanted to give you some support anyway, I feel just awful for you.

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Lara
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posted December 03, 2009 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm so sorry... having kids myself i can't imagine the pain you must be going through

I wish i could read your chart and help you - but i'm no good at these kind of questions.

I pray your daughter is re-united with you very soon. x

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Lara
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posted December 03, 2009 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm so sorry... having kids myself i can't imagine the pain you must be going through

I wish i could read your chart and help you - but i'm no good at these kind of questions.

I pray your daughter is re-united with you very soon. x

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posted December 03, 2009 09:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm so sorry . I hope you will get your daughter back soon.

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Dee
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posted December 03, 2009 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heres a link and there's info on Canada. Can you get a lawyer?. maby theres someone here that can help you. i hope you get her back soon.
http://fightcps.com/faq-frequently-answered-questions/

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they cant just take your baby unless there has been repetitive problems or you have a history with child protection services.

Its very serious to take a 4 month old baby from her mother.

If the child or baby displays signs of abuse then it is reported and you are usually under probation and questioned. If you told them you havnt had support and you have been struggling then they will temporary take your baby till you have been evaluated and your living circumstances have been assesed.

Thats a very stressful situation. I hope everythng gets better. I want to look at your chart when i get to a computer. Love and hugs xxx

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posted December 03, 2009 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverFairy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm so sorry to hear about your situation. How horrific to lose your child. I hope that you figure out a way to get her back.

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Lara
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posted December 03, 2009 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree Belgz - it's very alarming.
Is this Canada? wow...

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Dee
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posted December 03, 2009 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It happens way to often

Find a Lawyer

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Lonake
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posted December 04, 2009 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your strain is shown in her natal, and what's also shown is the authorities (Saturn H7 of the other) in opposition to your baby's Asc ruler (Uranus H1 of the self), this definitely points to a standoff. Of course Asc and it's ruler is what is imprinted on us while very young and what we use as our shield/defense. You can see Saturn H7 being clearly authorities stepping in from the outside. The IC ruler (very important for family life) is Mercury in H7 opposed to Moon in H1, this shows you, the mother's, fragile state as the Moon is in Pisces, again it's H1 so there is a symbiotic relationship with the mother in some form that goes beyond regular mother-child relations, she identifies with you and is strongly bonded (Pisces, sensitive psychic state, wants closeness, etc.) But like I said it re-iterates the previous opposition from H1 to H7, so Mercury and Saturn being thusly involved, is the father involved badmouthing to the authorities about the hospital situation? Personal father is Saturn in the chart as well as personal authority and the authorities in the world (police, etc.) This seems to be a case of the H7 as enemies, not friends. If this persists and is more common length of separation than is standard for your locale with this type of situation, seek counsel as stated above, definitely.

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posted December 04, 2009 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is just horrible.. my deepest sympathy. But as everyone above has said, get a lawyer.

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Dee
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posted December 04, 2009 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
heres a list of Lawyers i realize they are in the US but they deal with these cases. maby someone here can refer you to a Lawyer in Canada
http://fightcps.com/2007/08/10/lawyers-who-take-cps-defense-cases/

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what on earth did they give as justification for this atrocious behaviour? i remember worrying someone would take my daughter when she was small, i felt so inadequate. thank god it never happened...GET A LAWYER even if you have to go to legal aid!! or a public defender, since they must have some kind of case to take her away from you????

sending as much support as i can over the ether...

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Cynnared
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posted December 05, 2009 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you told them you havnt had support and you have been struggling then they will temporary take your baby till you have been evaluated and your living circumstances have been assessed.

I have not much help and support with the baby so I could have time for myself. The boyfriend made his focus more on work so when school went in work meant more to him than helping me a bit more at home. The baby is high needs with feeds every 2 hours. This was for the first while till my family doc said if she is gaining weight and doing fine then she can sleep as long as she wants.

When baby was in hospital for H1N1 I had a stay 2 nights. The first time I got in major crap from a doctor cause the baby slept through the night - my family doctor said it was okay for baby to sleep longer/overnight if she was gaining fine. The docs at the hospital were disgusted and said while the baby was in their care 2 hour feeds till she is 1 years of age or something like that. (The baby wasn't gaining much weight because she was sick and what people have much of an appetite when sick.

The baby has a flat side on her head which they told child protection that it is a huge sign of baby neglect. (Which is just BS).

Now with having no support and now having sleep problems and post partum depression on top of that things are hard to manage at times. Because of this factor it would cause great problems for the baby and wondered if I am a suitable parent for the baby.

The people who said that they would help out with the baby stepped back and then said something different. I reached out to community services only to be put on wait litsts.....the boyfriend's help soon got less and less.

On wednesday we will be going to legal aide to get a lawyer. I hope we are accepted and can get one.

Currently we have 2 visits per week for 2 hours long and it is supervised. Which is tough cause every little thing is recored down as I do things. Nerve racking as hell.

All i ever needed was extra help to get some me time and some more balance in myself instead of being 20 hours a day and 7 days a week on baby duty.

Yes I am deeply devastated and this this has really upset me. I feel betrayed by the doctor who cared for my baby. I have never felt so misunderstood and frustrated with the system.

The dad's birth data

Jan 30, 1971 Windsor Nova scotia 10:10 PM

My poor Cancer moon has been shredded.....

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posted December 05, 2009 06:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and won't your family doctor go to bat for you? he sounds like he has his head screwed on okay...?

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Diana
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posted December 05, 2009 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What degree is your mooon? Is it near 10*? I ask because that is where the 12/31 eclipse is and this may be a manifestation of that. If so, you should get some answers and developments within a month of that time and again when something transits it later.

ETA: I did your chart and see your moon is actually opposite the 1/15 eclipse by one degree. The eclipse will be happening in your 9th house, which rules courts and the law. The moon rules mothers, children and family issues. So, you should get some answers around 1/15. A lot of times it's about a month before or after an eclipse, with finalization when the eclipse point is transited by another planet. You may get a hearing around this time frame.

T. mars is in your 4th house, which fits, and will be there until June due to the rx. It will rx and go into the 3rd, which is opposite the 9th of courts, so you may see some action when that happens.

t. pluto is trine your mercury from the 7th (legal issues) to your merc in the 12th (hospitals, and secret enemies) and they turned you in, so that fits.

T. saturn is in your 5th house of children, which also fits. It's starting to move away from your n,pluto, which usually indicates limitations and obstacles and delays of some sort.

t.mars is also on your SN in the 4th. Maybe you will get some relief the farther it moves away from there and back into your 3rd as well.


Good luck.

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Lara
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posted December 05, 2009 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cynnared, breathe.

BREATHE. It's ok. You were doing a GREAT JOB until others stuck their noses into your business, which was of a great mother under extraordinary circumstances.

I can totally empathise - i have 3 sons. My youngest i had alone and have brought him up alone along with his older brothers. I have no time off.... haven't done for 10 years.

I want you to please take some time for yourself, by which i mean cry and cry, release it out of you and then run a nice bath surrounded by candle light and just lie in this bath for up to an hour and just focus on your heart and loving yourself in this peaceful moment.

I have used this technique for 10 years and trust me, i have at times come close to just wanting to slit my wrists from the stress and exhaustion of it all. If you do this technique regularly then your mind and body get into a habit of it and they relax and de-stress whenever you light those candles.

In the meantime, have no blame for yourself. Are you allowed to see your baby? They can't stop you seeing your baby Cynnared, it's illegal i'm sure.

Please give yourself a big big hug from me and lots of pink love. I feel for you. I am with you, use us as a support. We are all here for you..

Peace to a great mum

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Lara
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posted December 05, 2009 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok now i'm really p1ssed. visitation twice a week? for a 4 month old baby?

God damn, what kind of system is this? If i were in your country i'd drive to your place right now and we'd go and sort this out. I would not allow them to do this to you, whatever. It is absolutely nobody's right to take a child from a mother especially one as sensitive and caring as you appear to be.

Are your family helping ? xxxxxxxx

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Cynnared
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posted December 05, 2009 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have talked to my family doctor about this but she still stands on what she saw with the baby.

yeah not a good visiting schedule and to be supervised like i was some sort of criminal....ugh.

I feel very empty tonight and i wish the anxiety would go away. I'll have to put away the baby things and focus on my life. A loss of a child is highly devastating and it feels like I have a little orphan out there. We are working to get her back and will be at legal aide on Wednesday.

My oldest girl is here with me and I'm happy that I still have here here with me.

The doctor had to put me on meds for the anxiety......

time for a cry

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posted December 06, 2009 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have some strange doctors around you; that flat spot is completely normal, they're not supposed to have perfectly formed skulls from the get-go, and every child's sleeping and feeding schedule is different, and they change whenever they want. Sounds like they're trying to make you into a mental case on purpose, why?

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posted December 06, 2009 02:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*edit again* I deleted this so that no one else replies to me or Diana. But I have decided to put it back up, in case it is helpful. I've deleted the "contentious" part because I do not (repeat: do not!) want debates over this. Please do not reply to anything Me-Diana related, as I don't want this thread to swerve in an entirely different direction.

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Cyannred,

I would send the doctor a formal letter stating that I was unhappy with his/her treatment of my child, during a difficult time. Further, his/her people skills leave something to be desired. I'd add to that - that I will not be consulting him/her again and would not want my children to be cared for in such a hostile environment. I would also add that he/she may be hearing from my lawyer soon as I believe it is my responsibility to bring certain things to the attention of other patients.

This may be enough to change what they remember.

If it does not – it's neither here nor there.

Please don't see this doctor again and definitely not for anxiety pills. This can be part of the things that make you look "un-fit" as a parent.

When you do discuss your case - your story should be something along these lines:

"I am a well-adjusted and responsible adult. I love my children. I do everything necessary for my child and I do feed her every 2 hours on the clock. My partner is loving and supportive. I do not understand where these allegations are coming from."

Further: "I did mention to child protective services that I was having problems. This was the case, briefly - during a two-week period. I do not require support. I am receiving support from my friends and family and I am extremely happy and content with my life and confident in my ability to raise both of my daughters with my partner."

Whatever you do - do not be honest regarding your problems. Even if you made the mistake to be honest so far, it is not too late to change the story 180 degrees.

Society being what it is, appearances are pretty important also. Try to wear pant suits either black or dark grey & glasses and act as "boring but stable professional woman" as possible.

I understand you feel as though you are in a weak position but you have to act as though you are in an extremely strong position and outraged at their treatment of you. You are not a criminal here. You have no reason to apologise or be meek in this situation.


PS. I really hope everything works out and you get your daughter back and I am very sorry you had to go through this. The system disgusts me. I'll send you positive thoughts!

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posted December 06, 2009 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do not do or say ANYTHING until you speak to a lawyer. This is some serious stuff, and you cannot change your story now. It will make you look nuts -- completely unstable and untrustworthy. It will also make you look like you're hiding more than you are. Your lawyer will tell you what to say. If they tell you to change your story, then you do it, but please don't make any statements until you talk to them.

Do not accuse the Dr. of being on substances unless it was apparent they were, or you will lose ALL credibility.


Again, I urge you to say NOTHING. Not a word. You have been accused of a crime (or something like it) and anything you say can be used against you.

Vapor,

You're a psychologist? I'm sorry, but you just gave some of the worst advice to someone that would make them look insane. This is not being said because of your other post. I am just truly astonished!

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posted December 06, 2009 02:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nvm

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Diana
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posted December 06, 2009 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I HAD to say something to Cynnared, because imo, if she did what you told her to do, she'd be done. Maybe I am wrong, but it doesn't seem like it would help her at all.

I think the best advice is to keep quiet and let the lawyer do the talking. That's what lawyers always advise. They say not to say anything. So I don't see how my advice is bad. Even if you are a lawyer, you don't know all the facts of the case enough to advise her.

ETA: I was wrong about vapor being a psychologist.... I have NO problem not talking to you at all.

And it's you who sounds young.

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