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Polo C
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posted December 27, 2009 12:22 AM
 
So, based on the "Tight Orb" Philosophy: If a woman has similar synastry between herself and two different men, by this theory, she will be most strongly attracted to the one with whom she has the tightest Orbs... Is this a correct assessment?IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted December 27, 2009 01:16 AM
In astrological theory, yes - the tighter the orb, the better. I guess that only works with similar placements and also Ascendants.In reality, you just pick the most attractive...I mean the best personality. 
Although some may see personality and looks as the same thing. Ugly inside? Dont matter what the outside looks like. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted December 27, 2009 05:22 AM
Most immediate connection may be with the one with the tight orbs. But of course it depends on the planets aspected.It will make a difference if it is a Mars-Saturn conjunction or a Venus-Moon one. IP: Logged |
Cynnared
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posted December 27, 2009 06:28 AM
I do not believe in orbs or even practise the idea of orbs. I want a precise and exact connection. If I do then I will only use 1 degree - applying or separating. But then that 1 degree is not good enough for me. It is very very black and white for me.IP: Logged |
Unmoved
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posted December 27, 2009 08:16 AM
Cynnared - I get that, but birth times likely not accurate to the T due to the human condition and human errors, especially for the "older" generation when things weren't as precise e.g. the person who wrote the time down at time of birth might have taken a few minutes longer to write it down, and say the minutes that lapped were those crucial ones where signs change - then... it is a very good thing to give a bit of leeway. Maybe my example is not the best one, but I hope you get what I mean. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted December 27, 2009 11:26 AM
You can get a very interesting and accurate picture of how two people influence each other, if you make a list just with 0°00-0°59 degree orbs.Of course then you will most likely find what really IS in the centre of that connection, and not what you WISHED was there. IP: Logged |
jane
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posted December 27, 2009 05:44 PM
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So, based on the "Tight Orb" Philosophy: If a woman has similar synastry between herself and two different men, by this theory, she will be most strongly attracted to the one with whom she has the tightest Orbs... Is this a correct assessment?
The tighter the orb, the more compulsive is the expression of the aspect. If my Mars is exactly conjunct your Moon, the compulsion to express that aspect is so strong that we will experience that aspect as what we are. It would feel impossible to be with you and not relate to each other in the style of that aspect. As the orb widens, we feel like we have more choice in expressing the aspect. That energy is there between us, but doesn't dominate our consciousness, so doesn't dominate the way which we interact. Eventually, the orb gets so wide that the urge to express the aspect recedes until it's entirely absent. Trying to would just feel like pretend, since we wouldn't feel like that aspect reflects what we are. Having said all that, I don't think synastry can show who we truly love. It shows the styles of consciousness and behavior we feel compelled to adopt. It doesn't reveal the level of love that accompanies those compulsions. We have our own consciousness/soul inhabiting our astrology. With astrology, we can see the machine (astro chart), but we can't clearly see the ghost inhabiting and directing it (the soul). That soul is us. It's from that soulful center that we live and love. From there that we live our natal and synastry. A real bond between two souls is magnetic. Tight orbed romantic/sexual synastry with another will be appealing, but will not seriously compete. That's because the synastry with a "soul mate" will infuse whatever aspects are present with such honest power that in comparison the rival synastry will just feel like style without substance. So in short  , no I don't think you can say that someone is always more attracted to tighter synastry. It depends on the souls inhabiting the synastry. IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 27, 2009 06:04 PM
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Jane -The tighter the orb, the more compulsive is the expression of the aspect. If my Mars is exactly conjunct your Moon, the compulsion to express that aspect is so strong that we will experience that aspect as what we are. It would feel impossible to be with you and not relate to each other in the style of that aspect.
Jane, you are wise and in fact, I have this exact aspect with someone, although it is only at a (3.65 degree orb), I can still feel the emotional compulsion. If her moon conjuncts my mars how is this expressed between us? Her emotions inspire my willfulness and sexual desire? Or is it vice versa? quote:
As the orb widens, we feel like we have more choice in expressing the aspect. That energy is there between us, but doesn't dominate our consciousness, so doesn't dominate the way which we interact.Eventually, the orb gets so wide that the urge to express the aspect recedes until it's entirely absent. Trying to would just feel like pretend, since we wouldn't feel like that aspect reflects what we are.
This is good Jane! It accurately explains what I witness. What would you say is a good division of orb categories that would reliably show movement from compulsion to unnoticed? Should we divide them up into multiples of three _
- 1 - 3 / Compulsion
- 3 - 6 / Manageable
- 6 - 12 / Unnoticeable
What would you say the actual breakdown to be? quote:
A real bond between two souls is magnetic. Tight orbed romantic/sexual synastry with another will be appealing, but will not seriously compete. That's because the synastry with a "soul mate" will infuse whatever aspects are present with such power that the rival synastry will just feel like style without substance.
Really Jane... This is something I wonder about. I led myself to believe that Eros / psyche conjunctions had something to do with this soul bond, but then, I have had this conjunctions with others before and not felt or experienced what I do now. I wasn't as evolved before. IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted December 27, 2009 08:35 PM
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Having said all that, I don't think synastry can show who we truly love. It shows the styles of consciousness and behavior we feel compelled to adopt. It doesn't reveal the level of love that accompanies those compulsions.
Interesting! Well, different placements of other people's charts activates different parts of our charts - just like non-astrologically speaking, different people activate different parts in us.
But it also depends on the timing and other factors, that not all the aspects might be activated. But well, I would still dare to say that astrology can show love or not, at least to a certain degree. Coz relationship love will always be relationship love even if its form can vary in certain aspects, so that there will always be certain aspects that are the classical relationship love aspects (like Sun/Venus conjunction in a composite). People has different ways to be made to fall in love (astrologically speaking, everyone has certain preferences about which part of their charts has to be activated for them to fall in love with someone else), yet aside that, most of us would probably react with loving feelings by classical love aspects (so that with these aspects, we are more prone to fall in love or stronger connection).
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comica23
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posted December 27, 2009 08:39 PM
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Really Jane... This is something I wonder about. I led myself to believe that Eros / psyche conjunctions had something to do with this soul bond, but then, I have had this conjunctions with others before and not felt or experienced what I do now. I wasn't as evolved before.
What are the degrees of this conjunctions? Were they tighter than your actual conjunction, or less?
It might depend on the rest of the charts for this aspect to really become meaningful or not, but also not all the aspects in a synastry would be manifested/triggered (this depends on timing/situations too). IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 27, 2009 09:20 PM
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Comica23 - What are the degrees of this conjunctions? Were they tighter than your actual conjunction, or less?
That does explain it, duh, I didn't even check the orbs before. With the current woman there is an Eros / Psyche DW. The first is a conjunction at (4.95 degrees) and the second is a trine at (5.03) degrees. I know some may judge those orbs as wide, but I guarantee you that they are felt in a major way. When I checked the other Eros / Psyche conjunctions that I've had from the past the orbs were both above 10 degrees so I guess that explains the difference. Also, neither of which was a DW. edit quote:
there will always be certain aspects that are the classical relationship love aspects (like Sun/Venus conjunction in a composite).
I wasn't aware of this, but her and I do have this in our composite, although the orb is at about 8 degrees. quote:
(astrologically speaking, everyone has certain preferences about which part of their charts has to be activated for them to fall in love with someone else)
I concur! I definitely feel that I must have my Psyche activated in order for me to take a serious interest in someone. I need the soul connection. Lastly, what about the soul mate pairs, of which we have two. Obviously Eros / Psyche, but also Jupiter / Juno. Have these been shown as reliable indicators of soulful connections between two people? IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted December 27, 2009 11:00 PM
Unless the planet is aspecting a stellium, and in that case the orb will be greater depending on the planets involved, I usually consider up to 4 degrees. Magi astrology speaks of any orb greater than 4 degrees as having an "almost there" quality that can mislead people into thinking that it is the real thing. Almost like a wishful thinking sort of aspect. IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 27, 2009 11:04 PM
What is a Stellium?IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted December 27, 2009 11:11 PM
I consider a stellium a conjunction of 2 or more planets. The orb might be greater in a stellium between the planets because they tend to have a domino effect on each other. For instance, suppose you have Venus at 10 degrees leo, Mars at 13 degrees, Saturn at 15 degrees, Mercury at 17 degrees, I would consider all those 4 planets to be conjunct and in a stellium, even though Venus is 7 degrees away from Mercury. There might be a more classic definition, but that's just how I see things from my personal observations and studies of people's charts.IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 27, 2009 11:37 PM
So then in synastry if one person's planets aspects the other person's stellium, then a wider orb is allowed. Is that what you're saying?For instance _
- My Sun (27) / Mercury (13) / Pluto (29) / Juno (10) and Eros (27)
- are in conjunction with her
- Mars (24) / Jupiter (6) / saturn (21) and Aphrodite (25)
Is this a stellium? IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted December 28, 2009 12:47 AM
Let me see: * My Sun (27) / Mercury (13) / Pluto (29) / Juno (10) and Eros (27) * are in conjunction with her * Mars (24) / Jupiter (6) / saturn (21) and Aphrodite (25) Your Mercury and Juno conjunction (3 orb) is loosely conjuncting her Jupiter (5 degree). That's not a very strong conjunction. You'll feel something, but not much. Now, her Saturn Mars Aphrodite stellium can be said to conjunct your Sun, Pluto and Eros stellium. Each of those stellium generate a cosmic energy that the other is bound to feel due to their close proximity. It's like, if I put one piece of burning coal 4 centimeters away from another one, they will both feel some mutual heat, but if I put 3 pieces of burning coal 4 centimeters away from another 3 pieces of burning coals, they will feel greater heat. IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 28, 2009 01:01 AM
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if I put one piece of burning coal 4 centimeters away from another one, they will both feel some mutual heat, but if I put 3 pieces of burning coal 4 centimeters away from another 3 pieces of burning coals, they will feel greater heat.
That's a great analogy. So my Sun (self), Pluto (obsession) and Eros (passion) would be "turned on", so to speak, by her Mars (sexual assertiveness), Saturn (discipline) and Aphrodite (?) I forget what this means. The stellium of one activates the stellium of the other? How would this feel during an actual encounter? Is there any way to identify it? IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted December 28, 2009 01:55 AM
Well the fact that this is all happening in one sign is quite intense, but it's a bit like having a lot of your eggs in one basket. The danger is that if the sign experiences transit squares or opposition from kick ass planets like Mars, Saturn, Pluto, Uranus or Neptune, it puts undue stress on the relationship for a long time, especially in the case of slow moving planets. IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 28, 2009 02:03 AM
Wow! Really? Are we experiencing any of those transits now? IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted December 28, 2009 02:05 AM
In what sign are those stelliums happening? IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 28, 2009 02:10 AM
OMG, I'm sorry. The stellium is happening in (Virgo).IP: Logged |
jane
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posted December 28, 2009 03:16 AM
Polo -I'm doubtful about the "wise" part, but I will accept "wise @ss". I'm a fan of the Moon-Mars conjunction.  The quintessential water and fire planets joined together. Water + Fire = Steamy. It can make for emotional sex, but also emotional arguments. You would be providing the Mars energy, she the Moon energy. But since it's a conjunction you're bleeding into each other. Ooh boy, I get to develop my own orb categories. I'm no authority  , but the way it's worked for me: Under 1º: Very special. They set the tone for the relationship.
1º'01 - 2º30: Compulsive
Beyond 4º00: Generally unnoticeable
2º30 - 4º00: Could be anywhere from compulsive to mildly influential, depending on the planets involved. (Luminaries, angles, certain house rulers, etc. feel aspects stronger.) Exceptions - I've felt conjunctions beyond 4º. (It's possible I'm missing other explanations, like midpoints.) In these cases, the planets involved (1.) ruled angles for both people or (2.) were particularly sensitive for other reasons. These aspects felt different from the tight ones, though. They were more situational and intermittent. I've found the bulk of my aspects in relationship synastry to be 2º30 and under. We'll have many of those, then hardly any in the limbo "how strong is it?" stage. If you jot down your aspects by orb size, you may notice the same thing. IP: Logged |
jane
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posted December 28, 2009 03:25 AM
comica -I agree with everything you said. (Especially "Interesting!" ) It's just that in addition to that, I think a distinction can be made between style (the way we touch each other with aspects) and substance (the real bond between us). If there is no distinction - if we're all simply a collection of astrological impulses w/o a self beyond that - then wouldn't I feel the same level of love for all of my SO's astro twins as I do for him? I mean, if what creates the feelings is astrology (natal and progressed), then I could've experienced an identical connection with any of his twins. I got to meet an astro twin of an ex a few years ago. They were born the same day, not long apart. They both have their Sun (and Mercury) exactly cnj my NN (and Amor). As you'd expect with a tight orb, there was a compulsion to relate in that way. In the short time I knew him, he contributed to my life direction in a warm, giving way. We had other tight aspects too. I felt our tight aspects as both compulsive AND mild. Mild because there was no real soul love there to fuel the experience of the synastry more powerfully and deeply. And it wasn't just a progression thing because it's not like I stopped experiencing my synastry with my ex powerfully. There's still and always will be a strong connection between us, but it's between me and him, his soul and mine, not simply my birth info and his. That real bond is rocket fuel for synastry aspects. The lack of either - the aspects or bond - will result in a weak connection. Can't make something out of nothing. A tight synastry aspect will be all that it can be, but it can only be as much as is real. As above, so below but also as within, so without. IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted December 28, 2009 03:37 AM
Hey Jane! quote:
Under 1º: Very special. They set the tone for the relationship.
We've got Juno / Psyche conjunction 0.06 degrees. I wonder though, since these are both asteroids, how I should judge the effects. Does it still set the tone for the relationship? Does her (Leo) Juno see the ideal husband in my (Leo) Psyche (Soul)? Her Moon (Aquarius) conjuncts my North Node at 2.66 degrees. Her North Node (Leo), again, conjunct's my Psyche at 2.67 degrees. Her Mars (Virgo) conjuncts my Sun at 2.80 degrees and Eros at 2.61 degrees. Unfortunately, her Moon conjuncts my Mars at 3.65 degrees, which you indicate should be mild, but it doesn't seem to feel that way in real life. In fact, the emotions feel quite compulsive and many times I find myself having to put forth a conscious effort to keep them under wraps. It is true though that my Ascendant is Leo and my Descendant is, of course, Aquarius. I don't know hers. Lastly, Her Moon (aquarius) is in both my 7th House & 8th House. Do you think this has any added effect on the emotional content? IP: Logged |
jane
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posted December 28, 2009 03:57 AM
Hi Polo! Well, as I'm sure you've already come across in your study, many people think asteroids are bullsh1t. I'm not one of those people. And I'm definitely not one of those people with Juno and Psyche. Those are both real to me. I think that's a wonderful cnj to have in a love relationship. I'd say down to your soul, she feels like an ideal partner to you. She's the mate for your soul. From her angle, she feels herself to be that mate for you. She wants to know all about who you really are, to be the one who you share yourself with. It can play out in many ways, but basically she's going to be feeling "partner" energy while you'll be feeling "soulfulness." (Do you serenade her with "Soul Man"? ) About the orbs...I'm not sure how you have something like 2.66? The minutes can only go up to 59, since there are 60 minutes in 1 degree. I don't know which site/program you're using, but astro.com is a reliable and informative site. About Moon and Mars... The Moon is one of the luminaries (the other is the Sun), and I've experienced aspects involving the luminaries intensely, even when the orb's been moderate. So I would expect a 3º Moon-Mars conjunction to feel powerful. quote:
Lastly, Her Moon (aquarius) is in both my 7th House & 8th House. Do you think this has any added effect on the emotional content?
Yes! Btw, since you don't know her birth time, you may not have her correct Moon placement. The Moon moves quickly, so the orb with your Mars may really be more wide or narrow. IP: Logged | |
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