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GypseeWind
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posted January 14, 2010 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not a Knowflake (yet) but here is MY Scorp riser!!

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Lonake
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posted January 14, 2010 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
cpn,
I thought that too, and Mel Gibson is Capricorn Sun so there's a sign match there.

vapor,
yea, sometimes

gypsee,
does he have something in capricorn? his nose looks long like mine..(but then it does tend to be a pluto/saturn thing)

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posted January 14, 2010 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What address do you send the pix to?
Duh? lol Ami

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vapor-lash
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posted January 14, 2010 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gypsee - For your friend:

Guess 1:

Sun – Virgo
Moon – Aries
Mercury – Libra
Venus – Leo
Mars – Sagittarius
Jupiter - Leo

Guess 2:

Sun – Virgo (:edit: there's a very small chance that this is actually a Libra Sun)
Moon – either Aries or Pisces
Mercury – Libra
Venus – Leo
Mars – Libra
Jupiter – Capricorn

I'll tell you why I picked those two charts for her, as soon as you let me know how I went lol

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GypseeWind
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posted January 14, 2010 08:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Loanoke;
VERY GOOD! He has a Cappy Moon. Sun and Asc in Scorp. He has my Italian nose, though, poor guy, but the ladies do seem to love him, my, oh my, do they ever!!

VaporLash;
My friend is a Cappy! But, she is the cleanest person I know, so you may be onto something with the Virgo. As far as the other stuff, I don't know. She was born on Jan 12, 1964, but I don't know where, I will ask her next time I see her, she doesn't have a cell.
One of the things I dislike about living in Ohio is the fact that we have this huge Air Force Base close by. So, alot of people are military brats, and it's hard to figure out Asc on your own because alot of people were born in some foreign place when their parents were enlisted. I'm assuming she was born here, but we both have no clue on the time.

Ami Ann;
Are you having trouble posting your pic?
I didn't read every single page, so I'm behind. Did you load it into a file in your computer? If so, go to www.photobucket.com, and take it from your file into photobucket. Then, leave photobucket open, open a new tab, come to this thread, hit submit reply, then go back to the photobucket tab, highlight where it says IMG code. Right click(hit copy) to hold it in your mouse, then come back here to your open response, right click and hit paste. You will probably just see words, but then when you come back to the thread, your pic should be there. There may be a shorter way, idk, that is the way I do it though.

You know what is sad, there are so many pics here now, I'm gonna forget what people look like, I kinda wish we had those little squares with our faces in them like FB does, don't you?

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Glaucus
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posted January 14, 2010 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I am with Raymond, he does not look like Denzel!!! sorry just had to write that lol."

AquariusMoon,

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

THANK GOD! (holding my hands in the air)

I physically look like my father and my maternal grandfather's side of the family. Anybody who knows me in person and my relatives in person can see that.

"I dont think Glaucus looks like Denzel Washington, as in same physical features..like, i wouldn't pass Glaucus on the street and think, "WHOA...helllooooooo Denzel.."

To me, Denzel has that deep thinking intellectual demeanour and i see that in Glaucus..like Malcolm X or Martin Luther, they had that kind of demeanour too."


Diablo,

I appreciate that.


Dr. Martin Luther King Jr and I are fellow Pisces Moons. He and I both have them in a t-square, squaring an opposition involving Saturn. His moon squares a Mars-Saturn opposition, and my moon squares a Jupiter-Neptune oppose Saturn.... heck..he was a Capricorn Sun,Pisces Moon like my father.


BTW..I do like Denzel Washington's movies. He is one of my favorite actors. I liked Malcolm X,Mississippi Massala, Man Under Fire, Glory, and Antwone Fisher

I am definitely going to see Book Of Eli. That looks good.

Raymond

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vapor-lash
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posted January 15, 2010 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gypsee - something about her eyes reminded me of -

Kristen Johnston.. (this was the first chart I posted.. the second is a friend of my moms)

Your Friends planets/Kristen's planets
Capricorn Sun - Virgo Sun
Sagittarius Moon (possibly) - Aries Moon
Capricorn Mercury - Libra Mercury
Aquarius Venus - Leo Venus
Capricorn Mars - Sagittarius Mars
Aries Jupiter - Leo Jupiter
Aquarius Saturn - Aries Saturn

They don't have too much in common.. They're both earth signs, possibly both fire Moons.. possibly both have Sagittarius there (one mars and one moon).. Kristen might have a Saturn conjunct Moon (in Aries) which could give her a Capricorn demeanour. Your friend has Jupiter in Aries.. Other than that - their Jupiter signs are trine.. They both have cardinal Mercuries and opposite Venuses.

Generally I'd imagine conjunctions would be most significant.. so I'm surprised there aren't many conjunctions.. Maybe I'm just seeing physical resemblances where there are none - again! lol

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posted January 15, 2010 07:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
naww thanks teasel .. and its lovely to see you without makeup on Diablo! Funkstar I can definitely see the Cappy in you!

To all who shared - thanks .. everyone here with AND without make up on is beautiful.

I have taken (mental) notes and am starting to guess people's ascendants ... driving me crazy!

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Agent_009
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posted January 15, 2010 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent_009     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How are you guys able to guess someone's Asc sign??

I'm starting to wonder if it's even possible to guess someone's ASC/Sun sign. Everyone here who has the Same Asc & Sun just ends up looking so different...it's too diverse! I would totally believe you all if you told me your Asc was something your not. I think at least 2 others on this thread has the same exact Sun & Asc placement as myself...so for those here who dont know what I am, are you even able to guess? How is it even possible to look your Asc, especially if you have a bunch of tight planets cj. your Asc almost exact? It must be altered a lot, no?

Although I think I'm starting to see a slight correlation with Aqua Asc...but I could just be delusional. I noticed MsCandeh & Crabby both seemed to have this really chiseled, Roman Patrician look, & gorgeous eyes with a certain bright-intensity (not the mysterious scorpio kind of intensity).

Vapor, you guessed Gypsee's friend to be Virgo...I'm just curious why? How are Virgo's supposed to look anyways?

Gypsee, your doe-eyes are beautiful, your son has the exact same eyes!...but for some reason I wouldnt be able to guess he was Scorp Asc, I actually thought he seemed like a Cancer.

MsCandeh, Nopes I'm not an actress. I'm a filmaker, aspiring young (Dir)ector...so I usually work on set as an Assistant Dir. BTW, your beach pic is gorgeous, you pretty much look the same with or without makeup I think. I dont usually wear makeup either, cuz I have to get up at 5am, be on set by 6am, go home at 8/9pm...so there's no time unless it's lipgloss.

DD, I think you should go darker; rich chestnut brown...or go Strawberry blond...would play beautifully against your pale skin~

IQ, I love your glasses comment, totally cracked me up. Anyways I actually think guys who wear glasses can be sexier than without. ps. you should post up a pic of your wife & daughter too! now i'm curious.

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GypseeWind
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posted January 15, 2010 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vapor;
Very interesting comparison on my friend! I had to laugh remembering that actress from 3rd Rock. My friend may have a Saggie Moon? Well, you know that would make sense, she really likes to date Sag guys, and I am a Sag, and literally her ONLY girlfriend. I would of thought she had something in Scorpio, because she can be, umm, well....(hem hawwing here) let's just say you don't want to cross her. And this woman LIKES to fight, she also has no problems being mean to people, I think she sort of enjoys it. For some reason it endears her to me, but others are put off by it. I guess this is why I'm her only friend, cause I find her actions humorous!

Agent_009;
I don't know how they do it!!! I try to guess, and sometimes I'm right. Usually I can pick out Earth people, I don't know how to explain how, their bones are more prominent is the only thing I can think of. But some of the signs, like Aqua, I cannot pick out! I mean, I have a friend with dark black hair, very dark brown eyes, she's short and heavy, and she's and Aqua. I have another friend who is tall, super slender, light eyed, and light brown hair, who is also an aqua, the two are night and day!
Thank you for the compliment. Ok. So, I am pretty good at guessing Cancer Mooners, I guess I know so many, but where I get stuck is guessing the difference between a Cancer Mooner and a Cancer Asc. Case in point:

Ex.1

This is my oldest daughter

Ex.2

This is the same daughter with my ex bf.

Ex.3

And finally, this is her with her Father. All three of them have either a Cancer Moon or Asc, can you tell which is which?

She has the "doe eyes" that you spoke of too, proving that some things are just genetics, we get that from my Dads side of the family.

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posted January 15, 2010 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Agent,

Thank you very much! There are some days I absolutely NEED it though lol but sometimes I will just wear tinted moisturiser and that's it. (The bali photo I was not wearing a thing - too humid for make up!)

There are just certain "things" about each ASC look. TBH I find it really hard to explain exactly what it is, it's more of an intuition, like I have seen a certain feature before and reminds me of x who has this ASC ... but that's just me.. maybe others are more methodical in their approach

Long days! But exciting and different each day I bet (better than working in an office anyhow lol and more interesting people ) ETA: An old family friend is in LA doing directing as well in Sacramento (I think that's in LA) he went to CSU.

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posted January 15, 2010 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gypsee, your ex BF and your daughters father are Cancer ASCs and your duaghter is a Cancer mooner???

Your daughter is gorgeous btw!

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Diablo
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posted January 15, 2010 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my younger bro is a cancer mooner with a cancer sun and Libra Rising and he has those huge, brown, puppy dog doe-eyes that are just so soulful and innocent.

Glaucus, i love earth suns/water moons..my best friend is a Pisces mooner with a taurus sun and she's just awesome. I respect her so much. And even though she doesn't have any real interest in politics, she is passionate about gay/lesbian rights as she wants to have a child one day etc etc and just wants the legal recognition, so i guess that's her pisces moon..fighting for the rights of ppl lol. Its interesting cos her current girlfriend has a pisces sun & taurus moon and they're just so in sync with each other.

Its interesting the similar aspects and planet placements..to me, you look like a great teacher or leader..me being a student in all forms (sun in cancer..thats why i LOVE history, studied the American revolution in my final yr of high school and out of all the things ive studied, that'd have to be no.1 but my sun it in the 3rd house in gemini..LOVE knowledge, to me its true power), I reckon i could just sit there and listen to you talk and have many great debates and discussions about many different different topics..that's the academic in me lol

MsCandeh..thank you, you look so happy and stoked in your beach photo, makes me wanna book a trip to Bali straight away lol

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posted January 15, 2010 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ms Candeh;

That was sort of a trick question. lol.
My daughter is a Cancer Asc. She is a Pisces sun with an Aries Moon.

The ex BF is a Cancer Asc with a Saggie Moon and Scorpio sun.

My daughters father is a Cancer Asc AND Moon, with a Cappie sun.

Gets confusing doesn't it?????

Thank You, btw, she is a beautiful person, inside and out.

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posted January 15, 2010 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awww GypseeWind your kids are adorable! And good to see a pic of you to put with the name!

Okay, so I'm a Saggy ASC

SORRY THIS IS SO BIG!! CAN SOMEONE SHRINK IT?


Sun Moon ASC

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GypseeWind
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posted January 16, 2010 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All the people that stuck in my mind in this thread (well most of them) had a saggie Asc, I guess I'm drawn to that cuz of my sun, and WinkAWay, your Saggie Asc is very STRONG, I have made that smoochy face in soooo many pics, my fam has asked me to quit doing it!!! You look very, very, fun to be around, let's hang out, lunch tomorrow, ya busy?????

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posted January 16, 2010 12:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake you're so pretty, I'm a fan of big brown eyes! And you know your stuff, astro queen! Aside from zodiac signs, do you think planetary aspects effect appearance, especially in regards to the ASC.?

The centaurs are prominent in my chart in regard to my Asc. (maybe that explains why I'm so tall or it could be the Sadge Asc.) and my Sun (Leo) is also trine my ASC. and north node is square my Asc. but those are the only aspects to my ASC. besides:

Pholus oppostition Asc.

Nessus square Asc.


Here is a more recent pic of me, can you tell I'm into film noir?


And I think everyone is beautiful here inside and out!

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posted January 16, 2010 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a more recent pic (taken this morning - and I intend to take one each month as some sort of documentation)

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i'm the one on the left.

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DD
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posted January 16, 2010 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agent 009,

actually I think you are right.
I was really planning on going darker this year.

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posted January 17, 2010 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsCandeh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diablo, I'd much rather be in Bali right now too! I think I might plan a trip for June when it's colder here

Gypsee, I can see why it gets confusing! Your ASC is Aries isn't it? Would be interesting to know how you deal with ASC squares in your relationships! (if you don't mind sharing of course!). I am used to Gem ASCs and living with two of them at the moment. That can get confusing too! So much Gem energy!

It's 42.7C 108.8F I am boiling.. I am just imagining myself where you are now DD Why are you taking the photos of yourself every month if you don't mind me asking?

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Glaucus
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posted January 17, 2010 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After having a dream about being on this thread and being bothered to being compared to Denzel Washington, I have a confession to make.

As a person who is of multiracial ancestry, born mainly to a black father and a white mother with my mother,I have problems being compared to a black that is not mixed like me. It's like I am being pinned down as being black when I am more than that. All my life, I had to fight that stuff because of the unofficial one drop rule "you're part black,and so you're black" . When I was growing, there was no option to mark multiple boxes for race. There was an other box,and I hated that. When I was in the navy, I got chewed out because I mark down more than one box by a chief petty officer. He told me to only mark down thing for race. I responded "No. I won't do that. I am more than one." A master of arms asked me to mark down one box for race, and I refused to do it. He told me that he would mark me down as Hispanic, telling me that I look it. I told him. "No" I just got frustrated, and mark down "Black" I felt that I denied who I was when I did that and succumbed to the one drop rule. In USA, that one drop rule was created to keep black people and white people from mix. There was a reason why there were segregation laws. They were created to keep blacks and whites from mixing. When Barack Obama Jr. was born, there were over 30 states in the USA with antimiscegenation laws. It was only until June 12, 1967, that all antimiscegenation laws were struck down due to Loving vs. Virginia Supreme court ruling. Lovings were an interracial couple that were fighting for their right to be a legal couple.
I believe that the one drop rule should have already ended with the interracial relationship laws struck down.

As a kid, I didn't like being told that I look nothing like my mother because they couldn't see beyond the color of my skin.
I didn't like when somebody thought my friend's mother was my mom just because she happened to be a black woman
that I was with at the time.

People's perceptions of what my ethnic background was varied like I said. Perceptions are relative
whether it was Black and White, Black and Mexican, Puerto Rican, Portuguese, Hawaiian, Samoan, Arab, or Indian, Black and Asian.

When I was born, I had pale yellow skin, straight black hair,and nearly slanted eyes, a lady said that he looks Filipino.
My mom straight up told me that she was confused when she first saw me because she knew that she didn't do anything wrong. She asked her stepmother if my father likes me. My mom told me that my father was told "Who are you kidding. That's not your child" My mother told me that she was relieved when my skin got darker and my hair got curly.

It makes sense that I have Moon square Neptune with 1'22 orb, and the first thing that I experienced from my mother was confusion which was a constant emotion that I was feeling whenever I saw a form and it said "pick one" despite that I born to to an interracial couple. I was called "confused" numerous times by some blacks just for being mixed. As a child, I wondered if I was adopted. After I first saw my birth certificate when I was around 12 or 13, I felt relieved. However, the information on my father withheld on the birth certificate. My mother's info was on there. In the navy, I was marked down as being white because of my birth certificate listed a white mother,but no information on the father. My mother told me that she was underage at the time and wanted to protect me. She didn't want me to be taken away after she was forced to put up her first son up for adoption when she was 15 1/2.

I didn't fit in with blacks,and I didn't fit in with whites. I did experience prejudice from some white kids when I was in school. I know what it's like to be called the n'word. That first happened when I was 9 years old. It didn't matter that my mom was white. As long as I had black in me, I was just an n'word to them. The last time I was called the n'word was in 2004. I was also given a hard time by blacks for not "acting black" talking "too white". It was mainly black kids that called me "faggot","fag". In my freshman year,one of my black friends recommended that I should dressing "black" to get people off my black. I was given a hard time in the navy by blacks that were pro-black to the point of being like Farrakhan wannabes that believe in separation of the races. One white co-worker was talking smack about interracial relationships, saying only fat white women get with black. I got angry with one black that told me that white women only get with black men because of sexual stuff. That made me so angry, I wanted to tear him apart. It took 3 people to take me down. A filipino co-worker wrongly assumed that my last name,Andrews is a slave name (last names that blacks because of white slave masters), but my last name is actually my mother's maiden name. It was changed from Andrade (Portuguese).

When 2000 Census was the 1st U.S. Census to allow people to mark down more than one race, I was very happy. That was due to Statistical Directive 15. I thought it was a victory of multiracial people. It was multiracial people that pushed to make it happen. Many of us refuse to succumb to the one drop rule and want to embrace all of us and not just part of us. I want everybody to acknowledge all of me, and not a part of me. I want people to acknowledge not only my father but also my mother. I took advantage of it, and I marked down multiple boxes for race on the census form. I am going to do the same thing for 2010 Census form.

Only 2.6 percent of the American population was counted as being multiracial, and I was one of them. I believe that there are a lot more multiracial people than that. Maybe 2010 Census will show an increase like maybe 10 percent.


Even though President Barack Obama is the son of a white woman and black man, he's constantly being referred to as the first African American or Black president. He is not referred to as the first multiracial,biracial,or mixed president. It's like the country has a problem acknowledging these types of people. There can only be "lightskinned blacks". What the hell does that mean? Being the offspring of a black parent and a white parent is a much different experience than being the offspring of 2 "lightskinned black parents. It's a totally different experience, especially when you're with your white parent.

Fewer Americans call themselves multiracial

"The share of Americans who identify themselves as multiracial has shrunk this decade, an unexpected trend in an increasingly diverse nation.

About 1.9% of the people checked off more than one race in a 2005 Census Bureau survey of 3 million households, a meaningful decline from two surveys in 2000.

"There's no overall explanation" for the drop, says Reynolds Farley, a research scientist at the University of Michigan's Institute for Social Research who analyzed the trend.

The data show that the nation continues to wrestle with racial identity even in the face of growing diversity, he says. "We're a society where we still basically assume everyone is in one race," he says.

Multiracial groups fought that concept in the 1990s. The small but vocal movement gained momentum in 1997 after golfer Tiger Woods proclaimed his race "Cablinasian" — for Caucasian, black, American Indian and Asian. The spotlight hit other multiracial celebrities, including singer Mariah Carey, actress Halle Berry and Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter.

Mixed-race Americans lobbied the government to stop requiring people to choose one race category on Census and other federal forms. The 2000 Census for the first time allowed people to check more than one race. About 2.4%, or 6.8 million people, did so in the full Census.

The numbers were likely to rise as more children were born to mixed-race parents and multiracial organizations sprouted on college campuses. The opposite happened.

The Census Bureau's American Community Survey of 3 million households a year shows a clear trend, Farley says. In the 2000 ACS, 2.1% checked more than one race. The drop to 1.9% in 2005 is "a slight decrease but statistically significant," Farley says.

Jungmiwha Bullock, president of the Association of MultiEthnic Americans, is not surprised. Some believe that identifying more than one race negates racial identity, she says. "To say you're black and Asian doesn't mean you're not black," she says. "I don't say I'm half black and half Korean. I'm 100% black, and I'm 100% Korean."

The Census numbers "clearly underestimate how many people are mixed race," says Daniel Lichter, a professor at Cornell University who has studied intermarriages. "People aren't willing to define themselves as such."

Many multiracial people identify themselves as black if they grew up in a black neighborhood, he says.

"There's a lot of pressure from society to choose one race," says Sara Ferry, 28, a school psychologist in Philadelphia who has a black father and a Chinese-American mother. "That's unfortunate."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-05-04-multiracial_N.htm?POE=click-refer


I embrace all my heritages,and I want everybody else to embrace mine too.

I don't want to be pinned down as one thing. Many other mixed race people don't want to be pinned down as one thing.

I think that's the greatest challenge reflected by my t-square of my Moon in Pisces square the opposition of Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd and retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th. Fighting to keep my own heritage.


I don't think that you can understand what I go through and what I feel unless you are truly in my shoes.


I felt that I had to be honest about my feelings about this whole matter.

There are multiracial celebrities. http://www.blackflix.com/articles/multiracial.html


President Barack Obama
Tiger Woods
Kristoff St. John
Shemar Moor
Mario Van Peebles
Giancarlo Esposito
Philip Michael Thomas
Taimak

and there are more


The Multiracial Movement is just as important to me as the Neurodiversity Movement.


I want to make this clear:
I believe in equality of all......There is no race that is superior nor inferior. Nobody of any racial composition is superior nor inferior. Just because a person is mixed doesn't make them superior nor inferior to somebody that isn't. A lot of mixed people just want to be accepted for who they are. They don't want people to accept just a part of them. They want people to accept all of them.

If I had it may way,I'd do away with race. Unfortunately, a lot of people are hung up on race. There are disparities among the races in how people are viewed and treated. A lot of racial prejudice,hatred,superiority/inferiority,fear still exists. It will be a very long time before that disappears. I don't believe that belief in diversity of races is a bad thing. It's the intolerance of diversity that is bad in regards to a certain race being good or bad.


Raymond

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posted January 17, 2010 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After having a dream about being on this thread and being bothered to being compared to Denzel Washington, I have a confession to make.

As a person who is of multiracial ancestry, born mainly to a black father and a white mother with my mother being the only biological parent that I ever knew and only knowing her paternal side of the family, I have problems being compared to a black man that is not mixed like me. It's like I am being pinned down as being black when I am more than that. All my life, I had to fight that stuff because of the unofficial one drop rule "you're part black,and so you're black" . When I was growing, there was no option to mark multiple boxes for race. There was an other box,and I hated that. When I was in the navy, I got chewed out because I mark down more than one box by a chief petty officer. He told me to only mark down thing for race. I responded "No. I won't do that. I am more than one." A master of arms asked me to mark down one box for race, and I refused to do it. He told me that he would mark me down as Hispanic, telling me that I look it. I told him. "No" I just got frustrated, and mark down "Black" I felt that I denied who I was when I did that and succumbed to the one drop rule. In USA, that one drop rule was created to keep black people and white people from mixing. There was a reason why there were segregation laws. They were created to keep blacks and whites from mixing. When Barack Obama Jr. was born, there were over 30 states in the USA with antimiscegenation laws. It was only until June 12, 1967, that all antimiscegenation laws were struck down due to Loving vs. Virginia Supreme court ruling. Lovings were an interracial couple that were fighting for their right to be a legal couple.
I believe that the one drop rule should have already ended with the interracial relationship laws struck down.

As a kid, I didn't like being told that I look nothing like my mother because they couldn't see beyond the color of my skin.
I didn't like when somebody thought my friend's mother was my mom just because she happened to be a black woman
that I was with at the time.

People's perceptions of what my ethnic background was varied like I said. Perceptions are relative
whether it was Black and White, Black and Mexican, Puerto Rican, Portuguese, Hawaiian, Samoan, Arab, or Indian, Black and Asian.

When I was born, I had pale yellow skin, straight black hair,and nearly slanted eyes, a lady said that he looks Filipino.
My mom straight up told me that she was confused when she first saw me because she knew that she didn't do anything wrong. She asked her stepmother if my father likes me. My mom told me that my father "Who are you kidding. That's not your child" My mother told me that she was relieved when my skin got darker and my hair got curly.

It makes sense that I have Moon square Neptune with 1'22 orb, and the first thing that I experienced from my mother was confusion which was a constant emotion that I was feeling whenever I saw a form and it said "pick one" despite that I born to to an interracial couple. I didn't fit in with blacks,and I didn't fit in with whites. I did experience prejudice from some white kids when I was in school. I know what it's like to be called the n'word. That first happened when I was 9 years old. It didn't matter that my mom was white. As long as I had black in me, I was just an n'word to them. The last time I was called the n'word was in 2004. I was given a hard time in the navy by blacks that were pro-black to the point of being like Farrakhan wannabes that believe in separation of the races. One white co-worker was talking smack about interracial relationships, saying only fat white women get with black men. I got angry with one black guy that told me that white women only get with black men because of sexual stuff. That made me so angry, I wanted to tear him apart. It took 3 people to take me down. A filipino co-worker wrongly assumed that my last name,Andrews is a slave name (last names that blacks because of white slave masters), but my last name is actually my mother's maiden name. It was changed from Andrade (Portuguese).

When 2000 Census was the 1st U.S. Census to allow people to mark down more than one race, I was very happy. That was due to Statistical Directive 15. I thought it was a victory of multiracial people. It was multiracial people that pushed to make it happen. Many of us refuse to succumb to the one drop rule and want to embrace all of us and not just part of us. I want everybody to acknowledge all of me, and not a part of me. I want people to acknowledge not only my father but also my mother. I took advantage of it, and I marked down multiple boxes for race on the census form. I am going to do the same thing for 2010 Census form.

Only 2.6 percent of the American population was counted as being multiracial, and I was one of them. I believe that there are a lot more multiracial people than that. Maybe 2010 Census will show an increase like maybe 10 percent.


Even though President Barack Obama is the son of a white woman and black man, he's constantly being referred to as the first African American or Black president. He is not referred to as the first multiracial,biracial,or mixed president. It's like the country has a problem acknowledging these types of people. There can only be "lightskinned blacks". What the hell does that mean? Being the offspring of a black parent and a white parent is a much different experience than being the offspring of 2 "lightskinned black parents. It's a totally different experience, especially when you're with your white parent.

Fewer Americans call themselves multiracial

"The share of Americans who identify themselves as multiracial has shrunk this decade, an unexpected trend in an increasingly diverse nation.

About 1.9% of the people checked off more than one race in a 2005 Census Bureau survey of 3 million households, a meaningful decline from two surveys in 2000.

"There's no overall explanation" for the drop, says Reynolds Farley, a research scientist at the University of Michigan's Institute for Social Research who analyzed the trend.

The data show that the nation continues to wrestle with racial identity even in the face of growing diversity, he says. "We're a society where we still basically assume everyone is in one race," he says.

Multiracial groups fought that concept in the 1990s. The small but vocal movement gained momentum in 1997 after golfer Tiger Woods proclaimed his race "Cablinasian" — for Caucasian, black, American Indian and Asian. The spotlight hit other multiracial celebrities, including singer Mariah Carey, actress Halle Berry and Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter.

Mixed-race Americans lobbied the government to stop requiring people to choose one race category on Census and other federal forms. The 2000 Census for the first time allowed people to check more than one race. About 2.4%, or 6.8 million people, did so in the full Census.

The numbers were likely to rise as more children were born to mixed-race parents and multiracial organizations sprouted on college campuses. The opposite happened.

The Census Bureau's American Community Survey of 3 million households a year shows a clear trend, Farley says. In the 2000 ACS, 2.1% checked more than one race. The drop to 1.9% in 2005 is "a slight decrease but statistically significant," Farley says.

Jungmiwha Bullock, president of the Association of MultiEthnic Americans, is not surprised. Some believe that identifying more than one race negates racial identity, she says. "To say you're black and Asian doesn't mean you're not black," she says. "I don't say I'm half black and half Korean. I'm 100% black, and I'm 100% Korean."

The Census numbers "clearly underestimate how many people are mixed race," says Daniel Lichter, a professor at Cornell University who has studied intermarriages. "People aren't willing to define themselves as such."

Many multiracial people identify themselves as black if they grew up in a black neighborhood, he says.

"There's a lot of pressure from society to choose one race," says Sara Ferry, 28, a school psychologist in Philadelphia who has a black father and a Chinese-American mother. "That's unfortunate."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-05-04-multiracial_N.htm?POE=click-refer


I embrace all my heritages,and I want everybody else to embrace mine too.

I don't pinned down as one thing. Many other mixed race people don't want to be pinned down as one thing.

I think that's the greatest challenge of the t-square of my Moon in Pisces square the opposition of Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd and retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th. Fighting to keep my own heritage.


I don't think that you can understand what I go through and what I feel unless you are truly in my shoes.


I felt that I had to be honest about my feelings about this whole matter.

There are multiracial celebrities. http://www.blackflix.com/articles/multiracial.html


President Barack Obama
Tiger Woods
Kristoff St. John
Shemar Moor
Mario Van Peebles
Giancarlo Esposito
Philip Michael Thomas
Taimak

and there are more


The Multiracial Movement is just as important to me as the Neurodiversity Movement.


I want to make this clear:
I believe in equality of all......There is no race that is superior nor inferior. Nobody of any racial composition is superior nor inferior. Just because a person is mixed doesn't make them superior nor inferior to somebody that isn't. A lot of mixed people just want to be accepted for who they are. They don't want people to accept just a part of them. They want people to accept all of them.

If I had it may way,I'd do away with race. Unfortunately, a lot of people are hung up on race. There are disparities among the races in how people are viewed and treated. A lot of racial prejudice,hatred,superiority/inferiority,fear still exists. It will be a very long time before that disappears. I don't believe that belief in diversity of races is a bad thing. It's the intolerance of diversity that is bad in regards to a certain race being good or bad.


Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

- Eckhart Tolle

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posted January 17, 2010 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ms Candeh,

this was taken in 2008 (my colleague who took this, caught me unprepared)


This one is from saturday


Between two pics is a difference of almost 20 kilos (at least I think so, I started losing weight last july, but no pics exist from before that date).
The fact that the difference is not so much visible sais something about the amount of overweight I have.

Now I have lost quite some pounds, but i know this is partly due to some digestive problems I developed in september, which made me being afraid of eating too much fat and sugar because of possible consequences.

Anyway now that I am settling into a routine, I know that I need something to "keep me right on track" - and these monthly pics are thought to be motivation and documentation.


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posted January 17, 2010 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD. You have done a fantastic job. Lose 20 kilo it's not bad.

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