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DD
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posted January 18, 2010 04:07 PM
 
Hmm I wonder what the draco point of the ecclipse would mean? Something especially karmic?EDIT:
Forget what I just said. The Draco point will be always in Aries or Pisces, I think. IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted January 18, 2010 04:09 PM
That may make sense as our POM are in opposition exact? And his PNE exact opp my Cupido An astrologer once said he had the opportunity to see his one and only he would see her fall madly in love and marry her right away. But I didn't go (this astrologer had no connection to me either) IP: Logged |
DD
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posted January 18, 2010 04:14 PM
I did something today I haven`t done for a very long time.Sometimes, before meditating to a certain music, I would go to my cd shelf in the darkness, and just pick a cd randomly, and set my cd player on random play, and I would take whatever came up as a sign. This I did this evening, and I picked a cd randomly, that I haven`t heard in YEARS. I actually had forgotten I had it. And the first lines I heard a woman singing were: "I guess I`m not too good at keeping love alive for long. I think I`ve found the answer, but the answer`s always wrong. My first love was my true love and it should have been my last."
LOL
If my PNE is absolutely exactly inconjunct someone else`s Juno, what do you think would that mean?
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vesta
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posted January 18, 2010 04:18 PM
Maybe owes you marriage? or a partnership of some kind. I think with Johnny it is a friendship that he owes me as aquarius PNE has a karmic link to friends and possibly a marriage (maybe).
Which makes sense to me as I need to be in the friendship mode first before anything else. (my mars in Aquarius) IP: Logged |
DD
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posted January 18, 2010 04:27 PM
Well, P`s PNE is in Aquarius, too, conjunct my Moon, so he would owe me an emotional friendship? Or no, wait, I owe him that?
With his Juno quinkunx my PNE in Sagittarius - how do I combine the Juno and Sag symbolsim?
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vesta
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posted January 18, 2010 04:32 PM
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DD
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posted January 18, 2010 04:35 PM
What is wrong? Why did you edit your last post?
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vesta
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posted January 18, 2010 04:38 PM
I found what the initial Eclipse was Ok it is 21 degree leo.
Johnny is 12 degree cancer (my saturn)
Jude initial E - 21 Cancer IP: Logged |
DD
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posted January 18, 2010 04:58 PM
You are kidding, right?
Jude`s initial ecclipse 21 Cancer?
The exact degree of my Vertex and Eros and opposing my Sun-Moon-mp exact?
What does this ecclipse mean?
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DD
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posted January 18, 2010 05:04 PM
Did you notice, our initial ecclipse is exactly trine our prenatal ecclipse. Does that mean anything.WEll, in my case, the prenatal one falls into the 1st house, and the initial one falls into the 8th house. IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted January 18, 2010 07:28 PM
DD, sorry it took so long to respond my laptop died and had to share other computer with daughter. I think that the two eclipses are important in the fact that they aspect each other. The influence of the initial eclipse bears upon the other eclipses belonging to the series of eclipses and the influence of the Rising sign.
Therefore, in determining the signifigance of the initial eclipse concider the decan and duad it occupies as well as the natural sign charcteristics. I will have to see what I can find concering the saros series eclipses I thought Johnny was at 12 cancer but it is unknown with saros 19S unless I can find the info somewhere.
If the info I found is correct it is at 5.28 Taurus ( conjunct my juno) and my ASC. IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted January 18, 2010 07:53 PM
There is also strong evidence to support the idea that the development of
human thought or historical events in a particular field are linked to an
individual Saros Series.
For example, the year that Gutenberg invented the printing press (1452), the
year that Copernicus published his theory that the Sun was the centre of the
Solar System (1543), the year that Newton published his Laws of Physics
(1687), the year that Einstein wrote his "Theory of Relativity" (1905) were
all years that Saros Series 14, North and South were producing eclipses.
Whether it is Saros Series 14 North or Saros Series 14 South that is
responsible would require further research. However, the years of 1452,
1543, 1687 and 1905 are all connected astrologically and astronomically to
one Saros Series and, as we can see, the significant historical theme of these
years is that of publications which have changed the world.
Or on another level dealing with English history, SS 6 North seems to occur
in important years of expansion in English history. It started in 850 ce. with
the birth of Alfred the Great and then produced eclipses which aspected the
Battle of Hastings chart in the following years:
1066 - William the Conqueror invades England.
1174 - England claims Scotland (William the Lion of Scotland captured).
1210 - England succeeds in taking over Wales and Ireland.
1409 - England takes Harleech the last of the Welsh rebellions.
1643 - Civil War under Cromwell.
1733 - Foundation of Georgia USA - first English settlement.
1751 - Clive of India takes Arcot - beginning of English rule in India.
1770 - James Cook claims the east coast of Australia for England.
1788 - First English settlement in Australia.
From the Web site of Bernadette Brady www.BernadetteBrady.com
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Saros Series 6 North has the following planetary combinations:
Node = New Moon/Saturn
New Moon quincunx Neptune
which can be delineated as the need to take responsibility and control, as
well as issues with authority figures and accepting commitments. These
commitments occur due to another person’s unreliability or inability to
function. An interesting insight into the English colonel mind.
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Agent_009
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posted January 18, 2010 10:56 PM
Vesta or DD,So is the eclipse (sun or moon, or only sun?) that happened closest to before you were born considered your prenatal eclipse?? and when your talking about planets conjunct the prenatal eclipse...are the planets your own natal planets?? or the planets that happened to be conjuncting the Sun or Moon on the day of the eclipse?? Thanks  IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted January 18, 2010 11:22 PM
The PNE ( prenatal eclipse) is the solar eclipse that took place prior to birth. The lunar eclipse that took place prior to birth is linked to the solar but more on an emotional level.
Then there is the initial eclipse that took place in the series of eclipses. The initial eclipse is influenced by the sign ruler and the decan as well as the duad. It will also influence the rest of the eclipses in that series durring your life.
The natal planets that make aspect to the PNE will show karma. The key planet is the ruler of your prenatal eclipse point and if your PNE is in SAG then jupiter is the ruler of your PNE an aspect from A's PNE to a point in B's horoscope represents a karmic link. One that implies the two have had a past life contact is exact major aspects including the inconjunct carring the most weight with karmic debts and assets.(1 degree orb)
Squares, inconjuncts and oppositions indicate debts owed by the person whose PNE aspects the other person's chart. Trines and sextiles do not indicate karmic debt they indicate a prior relationship in which debts have been cleared. A conjunction is interpreted acording to the nature of the planet involved. It indicated the need to unify. The closer the aspect the stronger the karmic tie.You can allow an orb up to 5 degree but the closer the greater impact on each other's life.
Wider aspects show an association but more of a casual one.(2-3 degree orb )
Exact aspects link the charts of married couples, lovers, children ect...
It may refer to a past life association or one in the present or both.
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posted January 19, 2010 12:22 AM
Vesta,Thanks for the thorough explanation! This is fascinating, does yours ring true for you??--the karmic stuff. OK so if I did mine correctly...I think the Solar Eclipse closest to my Birth was in first decan of Leo. Which then would conjunct my Mars & NN. Do you know what that might mean?? Also, SUN would be my PNE ruler, would I then be looking at aspects my natal sun makes? or just looking at the Sun strictly in the PNE chart? IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted January 19, 2010 08:48 AM
you would look at PNE conjunct mars and NN. Mars conjunct PNE - The individual may be prodded hedlong into karmic situations with one idea in mind, settle the issue and be done with it one way or the other. Also Mars sexual energy is always present, one must learn to control the (sexual) desire nature and harness mars energy so that it can be directed along positive lines. I don't have info on the NN conjunct. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted January 19, 2010 08:56 AM
Vesta,thank you for the explanation and information. Our PNE on 21 Sag falls in the Duad of Leo, the sign of our initial ecclipse. that might connect these even closer together.
Have you looked up your prenatal lunar ecclipse as well? If it is more tied to emotions, this sounds pretty interesting, too.
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vesta
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posted January 19, 2010 09:23 AM
Wow! thanks DD, The lunar eclipse point is 7.01 Gemini So last night I looked at the PNE for my son and found that his is at 8.56 Taurus conjunct my venus.(1 degree orb) My son is of the same eclipse series as my husband and the initial is conjunct my sun/moon mid. I looked up the eclipses for my husband also
His PNE - opp my POM
His initial E - conjunct my sun/moon mid
His lunar - conjunct my vertex IP: Logged |
DD
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posted January 19, 2010 09:47 AM
"The lunar eclipse point is 7.01 Gemini"
  
My DESC is on 7°01 Gemini!!!
Intersting about your son`s PNE to your Venus. Does that mean you are connected through love? I mean of course you are, but is that how we could interprete that astrologically? "His PNE - opp my POM
His initial E - conjunct my sun/moon mid
His lunar - conjunct my vertex" Well, if I got it right, then the PNE person owes the other person, right?
So he owed you a marriage, Sun-Moon-mp could also be about relationship and he owed you an emotionally fated encounter? IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted January 19, 2010 11:09 AM
DD, quick question???? What is the sun/NN midpoint?
Johnny PNE conjunct my sun/NN midpoint and jupiter/NN midpoint. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted January 19, 2010 11:31 AM
I would say those are some minor midpoints, relating to a personal (Sun), friendship (Jupiter).IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted January 19, 2010 11:38 AM
So when I said I think he just owes me a friendship would you say that is most likley what that means?"I think with Johnny it is a friendship that he owes me as aquarius PNE has a karmic link to friends. Which makes sense to me as I need to be in the friendship mode first before anything else."
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posted January 19, 2010 11:44 AM
Some other interesting things I picked up was that
His ven/jup mid conjunct my juno (0 deg)
his saturn/NN conjunct my venus (0 deg)
his jup/NN conjunct my SN (2 deg)
his sun/Ven conjunct my lunar PNE (0 deg)
his moon/NN conjunct my vertex (2 deg)
his sun/moon conjunct my jupiter (1 deg)
his sun/moon conjunct my sun (4 deg)
Interesting as my Sun/Moon sign conjunct his sun. (10 deg) very wide but exact opp his vertex. my husband's PNE exact sextile my sun/Moon mid. IP: Logged |
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posted January 19, 2010 12:50 PM
I also looked at the guy I was with in Italy. His ven/NN was conjunct my ASC (2 deg)
His ven/ jupiter conjunct my valentine (0)
His sun/Uranus conjunct my PNE (0)
his moon/uranus conjunct my MC (0) His initial E - 13 cap (My Lust)
His solar PNE - 7.51 Leo conjunct my point of Karma (0) also trine my Sun and NN.(2)
His lunar 24.31 cap
"His solar PNE - 7.51 Leo conjunct my point of Karma (0) also trine my Sun and NN.(2)"
that is funny because it felt very karmic almost heavy. something a little off topic I noticed that the eclipse at 25 cap will effect my point of Father at 26 and point of death of Parents at 23. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted January 19, 2010 02:34 PM
Vesta,regarding Johnny owing you only friendship.
I can`t really tell. But I think you would have to make a summary / overview of all the aspects pertaining to the ecclipses and see where the emphasis lies. IP: Logged |
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