posted January 25, 2010 10:26 AM         

I d say they can be very karmic looking at their compo pluto and NN in 12h...

and jupiter compo in 7th..

moon in 5th and the children...

draco2nat : saturn to juno also very strong and lasting

neptune that is usually negative is here at work in its positive value blended w jupiter

her karma + his alma..wow

posted January 25, 2010 11:23 AM         

thank you Alia

i never saw the possibility on astro,about the composite with transits.

posted January 25, 2010 11:45 AM         

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 25, 2010 12:39 PM         

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Deliverance-- I don't think Angelina is an extraordinary woman. I think she is a narcissist who does these things to make herself appear as a good person, for attention, and an image she is trying to create.

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Mercuranian, I believe her to be a strong, independent woman who has a humanitarian heart, she walks her talk & uses her status to help others. Not sure what you're seeing in her eyes though? Steely determination perhaps? Strength?

If her motives for helping people are self-serving or narcissistic as you say (which I doubt BTW) then society could benefit from having more "narcissists" like Angelina.

posted January 25, 2010 01:24 PM         

I think your way of looking at astrology is very unusual for most people, and really trying to understand it, one need to focus, learn and concentrate. I don`t think a lot of people want to do that.

Actually not even I have time to do that today. But I will be coming back to this.

Diandra,

posted January 25, 2010 01:33 PM         

I believe that Angelina Jolie can be very misunderstood. Her chart shows unusual depth with strong transneptunian energies which are recently known through the discoveries of astronomers in the 2000's. Astrologers have no way of knowing about those until recently. Of course,most astrologers ignore the objects, focusing on the mainstream Astrological stuff.

another thing.....I don't think it makes any sense to dwell on how Angelina and Brad got together or questioning if it was meant to be or not.

They have 3 biological children together.
I believe when you bring souls into the world, that relationship was meant to be whether it lasts 1 year ,20 years, or just 1 night stand. That's how I think of their relationship.

take me for instance, my parents weren't even together for 2 years. I never knew my biological father except from what my mom told me and pictures that she showed me. I believe that my parents had soul contract to primarily bring me into this world.

take my mom for instance. her parents weren't together for even a year. My mother grew up never knowing her mother except from what her father told her and pictures that she saw of her. I talked to my grandfather about it in 1994, and he straight up told me that my grandmother married him for his allotment check and he talked about how he had a hard dick for her. She got pregnant with my mom,and that made her want to end the marriage. He was pretty much said that he was just horny dude at the time, and she financially took advantage of him when he was in the Marines. They used each other. I believe that my grandparents had a soul contract that was primarily about bringing my mother into this world.

Who knows what my soul contract will be like with the woman that I am supposed to be with. I am strongly determined to break the chain. I would like for my future children to grow up knowing both their parents. I don't want to be like my father,and I don't want my future wife to be like my maternal grandmother. If we all have soul contracts and they have specific purposes, how I could I prevent this stuff. I can't. I just have to go with the flow of the universe.

with Angelina and Brad, yeah...I believe that they had a soul contract. Just because Angelina interfered with Brad's marriage with Jennifer Anniston doesn't negate that soul contract because they have 3 children together. If they break up, I can't see them regretting that they got together in the first place. That would be like regretting that their children were born.

I feel the same way about Prince Charles and Princess Diana too. I believe that they had a soul contract to bring William and Harry into the world. I also believe that the soul contract involved Diana becoming a very important,famous person who used her status to inspire and help others. I will go over their heliocentric,geocentric node relationship astrology stuff in a new thread as well as any transneptunian aspects they might have had.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 26, 2010 11:45 AM         

well it doenst exist..we have to do it by hand :P

AquaMoon

im inclined to believe that too.if two people really love each other,the relationship shouldnt have to be hard work.if it has.then something might be wrong there.
however,we always need to be two person´s who are open to discoveries,to talk and to work it out the problems.

in a book i have red recently it stated that no one should sacrifice themselves over someone or relationship.if it requires for you to sacrifice than it is better to stay out of it.

posted January 26, 2010 01:01 PM         

Take military couples for instance. When a person goes on deployment for 6 months or longer, that can be very hard on a relationship. I was in the navy, and I understand that. Shipmates were missing their girlfriends,wives when we are on WESTPAC deployment. Many of them even got cheated on by their wives and girlfriends. Many of them were cheating on their wives and girlfriends with women overseas too. There was a lot of stress. Heck...the Navy is a highly stressful organization. It's no wonder that many people in the navy drink a lot.

Physical handicaps can factor into relationships being hard work. Take the paralysis of Christopher Reeve. He was paralyzed from the neck down. I am sure that it was hard on his wife Dana,but yet she supported him. another example is Stephen Hawking who has Lou Gherig's disease. He can barely move his body at all. His disease took a strong toll on his exwives who had to take care of him. They had bathe,clothe,feed him, etc.

Also neurodivergence can lead to hard work in a relationship. Many neurodivergents have problems with social skills,and this goes especially for people on the autistic spectrum. They can easily frustrate neurotypical partners who aren't like them at all. I read many neurotypical women complaining about problems that they have with their neurodivergent husbands,boyfriends.
Also neurodivergents are more likely to be abused in relationships.
This goes especially for neurodivergent women. http://www.colsal.org.uk/sites/daa/DOMESTICVIOLENCE.asp

Many neurodivergents are prone to emotional meltdowns.

the novelty seeking nature of ADHDers can make it hard for them to settle down in relationships. They can be so restless and get bored too easily. They also can be very unpredictable,nonconformist and not go by the rules. They can take serious risks too like gamble large amounts of money or immediately start a business without a good plan. They can be poor with managing money. Their disorganization can be a total headache for their partners. A co-morbidity with Bipolar can complicate this even more. The co-morbidity of ADHD and Bipolar is high.

Here is stuff on dealing with neurodivergence in relationships
http://www.ldonline.org/article/6007

My mother is a neurodivergent,and so was my father. From what my mom told me, my father was the more extreme neurodivergent. They had significant problems. The relationship didn't last 2 years.

Neurodivergence runs strong in my family, and so does divorce.

Psychiatric Disorders like Schizophrenia,Bipolar,etc. or personality disorders like Borderline Personality Disorder,Schizoid Personality Disorder,etc can lead to relationships being hard work too. I also have to point out that the symptoms/traits of psychiaric disorders overlap with neurodivergence. It's very important not to mistake a neurodivergent person as a person that has a psychiatric disorder. I answered a question by at yahoo answers site about if her husband has Aspergers Syndrome or Schizotypal Personality Disorder.

Interracial relationships can be very challenging too. Interracial marriages are 5 percent of all marriages. It's obvious that they can take hard work. there are other factors like if the area is more racially diverse like Hawaii or California.

gay relationships can be very challenging too. Gay marriage is illegal in vast majority of the states here in USA.

so many things can factor into why relationships can be hard work.

I also believe that every individual is responsible for his/her own actions in a relationship.

I believe that commitment,courage,awareness,and discipline are essential to make a relationship work well. I even have cut-outs of stones from pictures with those labels on my vision board.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 26, 2010 01:48 PM         

The problem is that many people take relationships for granted and don't put in the work, expecting it to be easy. After some time in the relationship, especially after having children which is serious responsibility, they are finding it's harder than they expect.

over 50 percent of marriages here in USA ending with divorce tells you that.

It seems that percentage of celebrity marriages is even much higher. Sometimes,I wonder why even bother looking at marriage,divorce aspects in their charts. hahahahaha

Many people don't practice what they preach.

the arguments against gay marriage is joke

there is also argument about we humans aren't naturally monogamous in the first place and that many of just conform to patriarchal society.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 26, 2010 07:10 PM         

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man.......no comments on the heliocentric,geocentric planet nodes in composite,synastry

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First let me say I can understand your frustration.

What you are doing with astrology is so exciting but it is still strange & new to the lay person. I totally admire the depth & precision you put into your research & comments, it's great work, however, it can be overwhelming to those who do not have your understanding. I remember when I first started learning about basic astrology & someone with better knowledge would jump into the conversation with a relevant & detailed response & I couldn't comprehend or respond to them.

I think you may need to 'dumb it down' for a few of us, lol.

posted January 26, 2010 07:42 PM         

i agree with SB here...i feel embarassed cause i really dont understand many of the aspects you list hihih my fault of course.

as SP says your work is always so extensive,greatly analysed and precise.and complex for those who like me,are still learning the basics.

that is why i usually dont comment cause im afraid to say wrong things..so i prefer to stay quiet and try to absorb some of what im reading.

sorry...

but from what i could understand,by you analysis,seems that your findings corroborate the draconics too isnt it? that they were past life lovers in a committed relationship.

one thing is for sure:they are definately the most powerful couple there is in these days..

and by what you said about Drad and Angie,individually seems that they share a common "mission" both as a couple,but also as individuals.seems that because of that,maybe they understand each other at a deep level,a level that no other could reach so easily i guess...?

posted January 26, 2010 11:37 PM         

It's so intresting to se things in another way.

posted January 27, 2010 12:39 PM         

I don't know what do to simplify what I am doing

All I did was list the aspects. I gave basic interpretations for the objects and their nodes

for example

Sun - ego,self expression,vitality
conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Pluto Nodes - collective connection involving transformation,intensity,power

all objects have nodes.
they are just the intersection of the planes of 2 objects

Solar Fire program has a planetary node report

you can also find the nodes of any object with this page, but it doesn't do Right Ascension nodes like Solar Fire can. Solar Fire can only do Right Ascension nodes of planets,pluto,Eris,Sedna,the major asteroids,Hygeia
http://www.true-node.com/pos/

Right Ascension is the equatorial longitude coordinates that astronomers use along with declinations when locating objects in the sky.

all heliocentric nodes of objects move very slowly.....up to 1 degree per century
therefore, they are collective connections

geocentric nodes of Mercury,Venus,Mars, and mainbelt asteroids return to their positions every year, and so they are personal connections

the nodes of Jupiter and objects that orbit beyond Jupiter move very slowly...slower than outerplanets......so they are collective connections but not as collective as all the heliocentric nodes.

the orbs are much smaller for these objects too. 2 degree

the most significant aspects are the conjunction,opposition to the nodes. squares can be significant because of the friction of the aspect. 1 degree orb or less would be very significant. if using minor objects (including Pluto),an orb of 30 minutes of arc or less can be very significant.
that's for natal

in regards to synastry, half of the orb.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted January 27, 2010 12:39 PM         

Yep.......especially the Sun conjunct both Geocentric South Juno and Heliocentric South Juno Nodes in composite. That's very uncommon. Geocentric Juno Nodes return to their positions every year. Heliocentric Juno Nodes move up to 1 degree per century.

"one thing is for sure:they are definately the most powerful couple there is in these days.."

"and by what you said about Drad and Angie,individually seems that they share a common "mission" both as a couple,but also as individuals.seems that because of that,maybe they understand each other at a deep level,a level that no other could reach so easily i guess...?"

exactly

Angelina has a strong transneptunian energy.....especially with Moon conjunct Eris, she's a lot deeper than people could observe about her. Transneptunians are about extreme depth.....like Pluto,as a transneptunian,is about extreme depth. There is a vulnerability that goes with it, because of its extreme sensitivity to subtleties which goes beyond Neptune's ultrasensitivity. Of course, with Moon conjunct Eris, there is need to have diversity and she can be highly controversial. She can be a great advocate, believing in equality which goes along with the need for having diversity.