posted February 08, 2010 06:25 AM         

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"Some people believe that the soul has no sex just like they believe that it has no race,ethnicity,etc. Some people believe that souls can incarnate as both sexes in the reincarnation cycle. Some people believe that homosexual couples could have been heterosexual couples in pastlives. Some people believe that one of the homosexual couples could have been the other gender in pastlives. Some people just don't identify with form. So, terms like homosexual,heterosexual,bisexual are irrelevant to them. They are attracted to person because of their soul essence and not because of their sex.
Sexual preference can be just a preference like the preference of a certain race,ethnicity,etc. None of this pertains to what the soul is."
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That was beautiful GLAUCUS.

posted February 08, 2010 06:37 AM         

In my opinion, Astrology at the most can indicate bi-curiousity with very precise personal planet to Uranus aspects.

posted February 08, 2010 08:10 AM         

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I admit that I chuckled a little bit too.
I never heard of him. Meta and I were discussing about him on facebook a little awhile ago.

Raymond

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I know of him and details about his life, but I've never read any of his stuff before. My friend always posts these amazing quotes from him on Livejournal though.

posted February 08, 2010 11:19 AM         

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In my opinion, Astrology at the most can indicate bi-curiousity with very precise personal planet to Uranus aspects.

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iQ

posted February 08, 2010 12:23 PM         

The first one has really no close Uranus-aspects except for a conjunction to Osiris and opposing Union and Kaali in Aquarius - well, maybe that could be a hint?

But I have Uranus conjunct Union myself (Union on 29°50 Libra, Uranus on 1°21 Scorpio) and I am not a lesbian.

The second one has no Uranus aspects to personal planets either. But his Uranus is precisely trine retograde Cupido in Capricorn and opposes Saturn.

posted February 08, 2010 12:36 PM         

why just Uranus

what about other objects that orbit beyond Saturn? once you get past Saturn, you get beyond the physical boundaries

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 08, 2010 01:16 PM         

Anyway, I still don`t believe that homosexuality can be seen in a chart.
Yet, if I looked for something, I definitely would look at Uranus. Why? Because we are currently still living in a society, where heterosexuality is the norm, and Uranus breaks the norm.

posted February 08, 2010 01:26 PM         

Astrologers seem to overlook Pluto as a nonconformist too. Pluto is a nonconformist because it has a highly elliptical orbit with a high inclination taking it up to 17 degrees away from the ecliptic. It is a highly eccentric type of object. ...so eccentric that astronomers had doubts about it being a planet.

A lot of the kuiper belt objects are highly eccentric. Eris definitely is as a scattered disk object. Sedna too as a detached object. Both of those objects have highly elliptical orbits and tend to orbit well off the ecliptic.

The centaurs have highly elliptical orbits,and they are nonconformists too. This goes especially for the centaurs named after males like Chiron. Chiron is often referred to as a maverick.

Rex E. Bills states Uranus as the planet associated with homosexuality, and it states Mercury and Neptune (in parenthesis) associated with bisexuality.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 08, 2010 01:48 PM         

yes, I have read that about Mercury, too.

Interestingly the first guy has Mercury on 7°36 conjunct Eros on 7°07 Aries; both are semisextile the Mars NN on 6°13 Taurus.

Uranus on 26°43 Leo trines Mars SN on 26°39 Sagittarius.

Mercury on 7°36 Aries is also very widely trine Neptune`s NN on 9°40 Leo

I t hink the main aspect is here is Uranus trine Mars SN, because of the narrow orb.

The other guy has:

Uranus on 24°23 Virgo opposing true BML on 24°36 Pisces.
Uranus also squares Venus SN on 24°19 Sagittarius.

Mercury on 15°31 Sagittarius conjunct Uranus SN on 14°41 Sagittarius.

Neptune on 23°14 Scorpio trines true BML on 24°36 PIsces.

He seems to have some interesting connections:

A very tight interconnection between Uranus, BML and Venus South Node. Hmm

Also Mercury conjunct Uranus South Node.

I have counterchecked that with my chart.

Still no aspects to Uranus except for a wide trine to BML:
Uranus on 1°21 Scorpio
BML on 28°37 Pisces

Mercury on 25°03 Sagittarius
conjunct Sun on 25°56 Sag

Neptune on 9°56 Sagittarius
conjunct ASC on 7°01 SAg
trines Mars NN on 8°39 Aries

But that is about all for aspects to Mercury, Uranus, Neptune, Venus and Mars.

posted February 08, 2010 03:11 PM         

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Adam, your question is invalid. Eventually you come to understand that sexual preference doesn't exist, these are simply illusions.There is no gay, bi,tri, hetero, metero,watever.... The soul is beyond sex, race and creed.

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posted February 08, 2010 03:37 PM         

I'd use the word, physical world and not real world. The metaphysical world be just as real.

" The soul does resides inside a body, affected by genes and hormones."

there are certain conditions that question sexual boundaries

Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

Klinefelter Syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter%27s_syndrome

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 08, 2010 03:57 PM         

Uranus is fast. It throws you through wormholes. With the Moon, it throws you into the other person emotionally.

I don't think Uranus (or anything else in astrology) creates someone's sexual identity. I personally believe we're all born with our own sexual identity range, and that identity is beyond astrology.

What Uranus can do is make you open to the idea of all kinds of partners. Since you're open to the idea, if a moment comes along when you do feel a sexual attraction to the same sex, you'd be more likely to pursue it. There's nothing holding you back. Not only do you not care about social norms, you don't cling to your own norm/label. So you were straight yesterday but gay today? No big deal. To a Moon-Uranus change is familiar and comfortable.

But like everyone, a Moon-Uranus is born with their own sexual identity. They'll be more likely to pursue same-sex attractions when they do occur, but it's just as possible as with anyone else that those attractions never will occur.

posted February 08, 2010 04:32 PM         

I agree with you.

"On the other side, women feel themselves to be lesbian out of hatred towards men and the same reasons that I listed for "gay" guys. Most women are inclined to go both ways."

I would use the phrase. "A lot of" with women too. Somebody might accuse you of generalizing all women.

I agree that a lot of lesbian women can be those man-hating types that were abused by men in some way. My shaman friend told me about lesbian women with issues like that.

I don't think that I can agree about most women can go both ways.

however, I do think that it's more acceptable in society for women to express bisexuality than it is for male. Notice how many men in nightclubs or other places get turned on when women are dancing all against each other. You don't see the same reaction with men doing the same to each other....even by women.

as a person that believes in reincarnation, I believe that all of us had some pastlives and that we all had some pastlives that of being both sexes. I believe that all of us had pastlives of other races,ethnicities,nationalities too. I believe the amount of pastlives vary in people and doesn't necessarily mean that they are more advanced.

posted February 08, 2010 04:46 PM         

Some people who were molested, will turn to homosexual relationships, but other molested people will not.
And some people who weren´t molested, will be heterosexual and some will be homosexual or bisexual.

Seeing the cause of homosexuality in a crime committed against the person is a bit devaluating, as it implies that homosexual happens just as a reaction to a bad or horrible experience.

The past life theories do make sense to me though.

But apart from that I agree with Jane for the most part.

"What Uranus can do is make you open to the idea of all kinds of partners. Since you're open to the idea, if a moment comes along when you do feel a sexual attraction to the same sex, you'd be more likely to pursue it."
This reminds me of a friend I have. She is pretty straight, but open to every kind of experiences, including sexual ones (within a certain range).
She has Sun-Moon-Venus conjunction in Aquarius in 8th house squaring Uranus in 5th house.

"Sexual attraction is very physical. Our body knows what it wants. Even if we're pentrating on the soul level, we're f*cking on the physical one too."
NIcely put. And true. Unless we are completely on the soullevel.

posted February 08, 2010 05:19 PM         

my venus and moon are heavily afflicted.

i am a male.

and i am straight.

posted February 08, 2010 06:08 PM         

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That's probably true on the soul level but not in the real world."
I'd use the word, physical world and not real world. The metaphysical world be just as real.

" The soul does resides inside a body, affected by genes and hormones."

there are certain conditions that question sexual boundaries

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OK, physical world. And if the "metaphysical world" exists what of it?

I don't understand what you're trying to prove? That there is no such thing as "gay" and it's just an illusion? A lot of gay men and women would find that an insult and with good reason.

Why can't people just accept how other people define themselves?

posted February 08, 2010 06:24 PM         

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A lot of men who feel gay were molested as children by other men or one of their purposes for reincarnation was to help with population control and some men feel gay because they were women if their past life and have a strong inclination towards that incarnation.
On the other side, women feel themselves to be lesbian out of hatred towards men and the same reasons that I listed for "gay" guys. Most women are inclined to go both ways.

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JFC!!! What kind of BS is that??? I want PROOF! Give me conclusive proof that past lives exist and that indeed men were women, women were men and so on.

Also, while some boys and girls were indeed molested and that might affect their psyche and sexual orientation, most were NOT.

posted February 08, 2010 06:59 PM         

I have a feeling it's part of the discrepancy between people on here and their views.. not always, but it's worth a mention.

There is a difference between being born and bred in a large city - take NYC or Sydney as examples, where you are exposed to people of different backgrounds, races, sexual orientations, fashion styles, overall appearance etc.. from an early age -- and alternatively being born and bred in a town with a low population where there may be one gay couple, living somewhere, on the outskirts.. who is referred to as "the odd one out" (and you grow up with this attitude surrounding you).

It would affect people's perception a lot.