posted February 08, 2010 07:42 PM         

I believe on those grounds that laws against gay marriage is violating people's religious rights too.

I also believe that soulpartner relationships aren't just heterosexual but homosexual too. Maybe some people that are bisexual are attuned to their souls and don't identify with form and so don't care if their partner is the same or opposite sex. Maybe they are just attracted to the soul and don't even pay attention the person's sex which is totally irrelevant to them.

I do support gay rights which I believe are also civil rights.

I was just saying that klinefelter syndrome and androgen insensitivity syndrome are conditions that blur the definitions of sex altogether. Even males with high estrogen levels and females with high testosterone levels do too.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 08, 2010 07:57 PM         

I came out just before graduating highschool and it's been hard when you come from small town/christian values and hearing the phrase "Love the sinner, hate the sin" a fair amount of times in your life.

I use to get in trouble a lot with christian values, I use to feel like how can God make people feel so little for just being themselves? I was a passionately rebellious about gay rights as a child and I didn't fully understand why, I just knew somewhere in my heart it was not fair to judge others for loving somebody cause we all need love.

Like I said it was hard because I put down to be naive and not reading my bible or having a significant relationship with God..

posted February 08, 2010 08:28 PM         

Religious zealots have been "condemning" gays and minorities forever based on their "beliefs" (which they believe are truths and keep confusing for "facts").

The "truth' is we mainly live in the physical realm. Those phenomena you mentioned are "accidents" of nature. Such accidents happen not only with sexuality but with many other "conditions". Once, they were considered a punishment from God. Now, there is scientific proof of why many conditions happen.

posted February 08, 2010 08:33 PM         

Everybody has their own beliefs,views.

There is no proof that Astrology works either,but I believe in its validity. If I didn't,I wouldn't practice it.

I believe that there is reason for everything as well as everything happens for a reason. Therefore,I don't believe that those are accidents. I believe that there is a reason for why people incarnate to be a certain way. Maybe they chose a certain lesson to learn. For instance, maybe I chose to be a multiracial(born to an interracial couple),neurodivergent(Dyslexic,Dyspraxic,ADHD),sex hormonal divergent(male with high estrogen levels) male born in San Francisco,California to learn about tolerance,acceptance of diversity. Even my beliefs in alternative religion,spirituality could also fit with those lessons too. I believe that my main life purpose is to be a neurodiversity advocate, but I also believe that I was meant to be support gay rights and women's rights which I see as civil rights. I believe that my Sun conjunct South Eris Node (geocentric,heliocentric) reflects that big time. "Different doesn't necessarily mean deficient" is something that I strongly believe in.

some people do believe in soul contracts and that we choose certain things to incarnate to learn certain lessons that help us in our soul evolution.

Evolutionary Astrologers like Jeffrey Wolf Green actually believe that. I have been leaning towards evolutionary astrology. I agree with Philip Sedgwick about the transneptunian dwarf planets/dwarf planet candidates about being evolutionary intensified objects. Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 08, 2010 08:41 PM         

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I will just agree to disagree.
Everybody has their own beliefs,views.

There is no proof that Astrology works either,but I believe in its validity. If I didn't,I wouldn't practice it.

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Speaking of which, valid how?

You said on the first page that :

"I also don't believe in cause and effect in Astrology,and so I don't believe a planetary placement,aspect makes a person anything."

So how does it affect us at all and how is it valid?

posted February 08, 2010 08:51 PM         

I believe Astrology works because of synchronicity. I believe that Numerology,Tarot,I-Ching work because of synchronicity too.

As a person that has believed in Astrology since 1998 after being skeptic of Astrology,I have never believed in cause and effect in Astrology. I only believe in synchronicity in Astrology. I don't believe that we are because of our charts. I believe that that we are in meaningful parallel to our charts. I believe that the chart shows both our personality traits and potential lessons,experiences that can be strongly connected to each other to the point that there is "Nurture vs. Nature" argument. I also believe that our charts reflect our souls. However, I don't believe that any part of the chart reflects the soul or karmic. I believe that the whole chart reflects the soul and is karmic. I remember Zane Stein telling me that the whole chart is karmic when I asked him what is the karmic planet in Astrology back in 2001. I believe in wholistic view of Astrology. I think of the chart being the sky itself with all its dimensions. That's why I don't just view ecliptic longitude but also declinations and right ascension which are the coordinates that astronomers use to locate objects. Of course, I use other objects beside planets. I would like an astrological system that bridges the gap between Astrology and Astronomy.

Actually, it was my reading Carl Jung that really got me seriously into Astrology.

I have also reconsidered my views about zodiac signs,houses after reading StarrofVenus' thread on her Solar Return playing out as well as other things.

However, I still focus mainly on geometry and harmonics of a chart - aspects.

Cosmobiology is only astrological system that I use when it comes to medical astrological insights.

posted February 08, 2010 09:43 PM         

What Is Evolutionary Astrology?

As defined by Steven Forrest and Jeffrey Wolf Green

Evolutionary Astrology embraces paradigms and methodologies which specifically measure the growth of the soul from life to life. These methods invariably focus on the planet Pluto and its relationship to the Nodal Axis. While it is composed of a set of specific formal methodologies, evolutionary astrology is ultimately characterized less by a technical approach than by a set of philosophical principles defined by natural law. Different evolutionary astrologers may use somewhat different interpretive methods, but they can always be recognized by a devotion to the following core perceptions:

1. An acceptance of the fact that human beings incarnate in a succession of lifetimes.
2. An acceptance of the fact that the birthchart reflects the evolutionary condition of the soul at the moment of incarnation.
3. An acceptance of the fact that the birthchart reflects the evolutionary intentions of the soul for the present life.
4. An acceptance of the fact that the circumstances of the present life, both materially and psychologically, do not arise randomly, but rather reflect the evolutionary intentions and necessities of the soul.
5. An acceptance of the fact that human beings interact creatively and unpredictably with their birthcharts; that all astrological symbols are multi-dimensional and are modulated into material and psychic expression by the consciousness of the individual.
6. An acceptance of the fact that human beings are responsible for the realities they experience, both internally and externally.
7. A respectful intention to accept and support a person seeking astrological help, no matter the evolutionary state in which such an individual finds himself or herself.

Copyright 2000, Steven Forrest and Jeffrey Wolf Green
http://www.stevenforrest.com/General-Astrology/what-is-evolutionary-astrology

with the discoveries of Pluto having lots of fellow transneptunians. I don't put a high emphasis on Pluto, but I also put emphasis on Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planets and dwarf planet candidates.

When Jeffrey Wolf Green devised his Evolutionary Astrology with Pluto as the soul , Pluto was thought to be the only transneptunian in our solar system until 1992 with the discovery of 1992 QB1 which was the prototype,cubewano aka classical kuiper belt object. Now many objects have been found orbiting near Pluto and beyond Pluto. Sedna has the greatest average distance and length of orbit. If anything,I'd look at that object to look at our greatest evolutionary lessons,experience.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 08, 2010 09:53 PM         

Can't we just refrain from assuming we are right and others are wrong because our views diverge from each other's? That's the main problem with our planet.

It seems to be a negative expression of Eris.

according to Dr. Michael Brown who discovered Eris

Dr. Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena and that had been designated 2003 UB313, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in Greek mythology.

“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/ 09/15/science/space/15xena.html?ei=5090&en=86584e614168793d&ex=1315972800&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

I think that when we have divergent viewpoints, it might be better to consider each other's points of view and that they might have some truth too as well as agree to disagree. I believe that those are positive expressions of Eris.

Raymond
Sun oppose/conjunct Eris Nodes (both geocentric,heliocentric)
Eris sextile/trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli
Eris sextile/trine Lunar Nodes
Mercury biquintile Eris
Venus quincunx Eris in Right Ascension
Moon semisquare Eris in Right Ascension

Raymond

posted February 08, 2010 09:57 PM         

quote:

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the truth is it only matters relatively"

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posted February 08, 2010 10:15 PM         

Eris in 20'59 Aries - divergence,diversity,controversy,discord
conjunct Juno in 21'11 Aries - relationships,partnerships,marriage
square Stationary Lunar Nodes in 20'49 Capricorn/Cancer - associations,connections

In Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude):
Eris in 24'28 Aries
conjunct Juno in 23'16 Aries - relationships,partnerships,marriage
oppose/conjunct Vertex/Antivertex in 23'54 Libra/Aries - fated relationships
square Stationary Lunar Nodes in 22'31 Capricorn/Cancer - connections,associations

the lunar nodes are stationary,and so they are stronger lunar node influence....so the aspects to lunar nodes are more significant

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 08, 2010 10:45 PM         

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Duality, you are ultimately wrong. Some people do KNOW about past lives and they do KNOW that they exist, just like some people reach a point where they know that the consciousness never dies and it continues to exist in other places. You are currently in a certain phase of your existence where you want everything to be proved to you, you work in a world where it is five senses or not. You must come to understand the "fart principle". The phase you are in now is necessary for what is to come.

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Of course I want proof or I'd be a mindless sheep. Spare me your condescending attitude with your 'developed spiritual stage" as opposed to mine.

Not so long ago people believed the sun revolved around the earth and those who tried to prove otherwise were burned alive. A few hundred years ago, people believed every illness was a sign of "sin" and divine punishment because they didn't know better. Every natural disaster was interpreted as punishment.

The truth is nobody "knows" anything. It's all speculation and the will/need to believe. I believe in God. You know why? Because I need him. Do I "know" that he really exits and gives two shites about me? No, I don't know that and I can't and won't try to convince anybody of it because I only believe and don't confuse that with "knowledge".
I also am not going to be condescending to an agnostic or an atheist because for all I know, they are the ones who might be right.

Bragging about "knowing the truth" and "being on a higher spiritual level"than somebody else, is plain silly and actually proves the opposite.

posted February 08, 2010 10:54 PM         

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Eris in 20'59 Aries - divergence,diversity,controversy,discord
conjunct Juno in 21'11 Aries - relationships,partnerships,marriage
square Stationary Lunar Nodes in 20'49 Capricorn/Cancer - associations,connections

In Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude):
Eris in 24'28 Aries
conjunct Juno in 23'16 Aries - relationships,partnerships,marriage
oppose/conjunct Vertex/Antivertex in 23'54 Libra/Aries - fated relationships
square Stationary Lunar Nodes in 22'31 Capricorn/Cancer - connections,associations

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My Asc ruler Saturn is at Ari 23:28. What does that mean? Just between me and you, I think it makes ME right, ROFL.

posted February 08, 2010 10:59 PM         

check RA box for Right Ascension

oh another thing
don't compare RA with ecliptic longitude in regards to RA transits to ecliptic longitude natal. They are different coordinates. It

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 08, 2010 11:59 PM         

but

you have to add them first

this is where you add them
http://www.true-node.com/add/

posted February 09, 2010 12:35 AM         

Just post the numbers like this:

433, 3811,19......

Or do the same with the names.

posted February 09, 2010 11:24 AM         

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As for those small town queers, I'm sure they are DEEPLY closeted so they "don't exist". Except on a soul level, maybe.

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posted February 09, 2010 11:31 AM         

I've given it some more thought. I think what Uranus does here is excite someone about the idea of transcending a category that limits them.

So experimenting sexually is a turn-on for Moon-Uranus not because it satisfies a craving for someone's body (an attraction beyond this aspect), but instead because it satisfies a craving to be free and experience the perspective of a different category.

posted February 09, 2010 11:45 AM         

Its totally about the freedom to experience while giving the finger to society and its stereotypical expectations. Uranus rebellion, love it esp when its aspecting the Moon, cos the revolution is in your soul, you feel it that bad hahaha

And just to clarify as someone who has practised bisexuality, sanchenuss (me thinks)..um you'd find that most females aren't into bisexuality, except for the idea and fantasy of it

Right on Jane!!