posted February 09, 2010 05:37 PM         

I'm not saying the world, the universe and beyond - whatever *is* - if anything at all *is* (if it's not a mere illusion) - I'm not saying that it isn't ALL cyclical.
Everything occurs in cycles. I'm not sure about beginnings and endings and all of the labels we put on things.. but cycles and circles - going round and round the merry go round of life.. seems *real* to me..

The notion of a "past" life appears "simplistic": A simple way to describe something much more intricate and much more interesting. For this reason the notion is not entirely in sync with my feel of "life" in all its forms.. I like the picture of the serpent biting its own tail. I think that's VERY exemplary of a circular pattern with no beginning and no ending - with no past and no future..

We are - We have been.. We always have been.. We always will be..

But WHAT does that mean - "have been"? "will be"? It could mean so many different things to different people..

It is still couched in our language, a language based on our abilities to conceive of the world and draw assumptions that we refer to as "facts". Our language is always embedded in a time-based framework.. We simply can't escape it.

posted February 09, 2010 06:27 PM         

Vapor-lash

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We are - We have been.. We always have been.. We always will be

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posted February 10, 2010 03:34 AM         

That was PROFOUND.

I loved the debates on this thread and how ecah person seemed to really dig deep within themselves to get their own perspective.

posted February 10, 2010 02:01 PM         

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Its totally about the freedom to experience while giving the finger to society and its stereotypical expectations.

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Well, personally I'm not screwing society when I'm screwing, lol. I'm far too self-absorbed for that. You're a much less selfish person than I am, Diablo.

But you know, that really makes sense because what Uranus is rebelling against is Saturn. Part of Saturn is society, so Uranus can excite you to break Saturn's social taboos.

But Saturn is also our material existence. Our human life and its time/space limits. Saturn says you're born here and now, you experience this perspective that's been programmed into your individual self (shown by your natal chart and biology), and then you die.

And Uranus says, f*ck that! Before my physical self dies, I'll die a thousand deaths and be born a thousand times into all sorts of perspectives because at a deeper level I am all those things. Saturn may keep me from experiencing all that I am simultaneously, but Uranus will give me spurts of different births. You know what I mean?

posted February 10, 2010 02:09 PM         

When Uranus was discovered, it was discovered during Eris aspects and Eris Node aspects. It's possible that astrologers were feeling Eris' energy when it was assigning certain traits to Uranus.

Eris is even more of a nonconformist type of object than Uranus for its a transneptunian with an orbit that is highly elliptical with high inclination from the ecliptic. It's a scattered disk object. Uranus stays on the ecliptic.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 10, 2010 02:25 PM         

I've always thought it was funny how I'm programmed to be attracted to one sex rather than the other. That programming prevents me from experiencing a woman as someone to love sexually and be loved by. And my Moon-Uranus is annoyed by that limit because to Uranus that type of limit isn't real.

In my head, I was always excited about the idea of transcending that limit. I even gave it a try a couple of times as a teenager and made out with 2 gay/bisexual girls. I wasn't sexually attracted to them, just to the idea of satisfying my Moon-Uranus. Sadly, kissing them was about as stimulating as kissing a sock puppet.

So I accepted that in this realm, Saturn has the final say. As much as I want to experience everything, I get my pleasure sexually from men.

Then a couple of years ago I met a woman I was sexually attracted to. That was the first time I experienced that. Turned out she liked me too (no accounting for taste). Eventually we explored what that offered. (I'm in a committed relationship. All I'll say about the situation is it wasn't cheating.) And it was really good!

But if I never met a woman I was sexually attracted to, I never would've had that experience. In 30 years, I've met only one! So if that square is supposed to make me desire women, it sure is lazy.

posted February 10, 2010 03:30 PM         

as I was raised in a big city I believe (dont have the answer) that moon/square uranus doesnt incliden to bi/gay. my moon in gemini square uranus and I am straight. however, I am open. I dont discard that one day i will become one of them. but dont know if this is true for the rest of people.
I believe that there is a potential for taking any sexualorientation but there is more weight in one direction most of the time for whatever reason (cultural, genetic, personal experience or the combination)what i guess that uranus/moon provides is the lack of prejudice and seach for something different. so, it gives the openess for the exploration, but not necesarily the inclination.

In other words, if the inclination is there, uranus/moon will make the manifestation of a gay/bisexual orientation real. it is not, probably it wont make any difference.

from an entity reencarnated to "teach" the other souls LOL whose purpose is blind to other LOL LOL LOL

posted February 10, 2010 03:52 PM         

For me, although we were sexually attracted and acted on it, the pleasure I experienced with her was different from with men. It was the expansion into another perspective that fulfilled me. I had just enough attraction to her physically for me to achieve that high.

Even though her presence had long aroused me (sexual synastry), I never had the urge to touch her as a way to relieve that pressure.

When we first made out, the actual kissing wasn't as satisfying as it's been with guys who turn me on. At a different encounter things were really good, but I realize that's because I was intoxicated with Uranus. As awful as it is, once Uranus was no longer becoming something new, I had no more desire to be with her sexually.

If I were physically bi, wouldn't I have just as much a desire to touch her as I do guys who turn me on? Because I don't. Even though she stimulates very sexual parts of my chart including my astro g-spot , I don't feel the need to direct that arousal towards her physically. It's an odd thing.

I've had Eros-Psyche aspects with every guy I've had sex with. With her, I instead have Psyche cnj Psyche and Eros opp Eros (along my nodal axis and her vertex). Even the synastry seems to show it was a same-sex encounter.

And I don't think that's what being bi/gay is really about. ??? It's like with us it was really about girl/girl. Our energy combined in a yin-yin/yang-yang way. I think the energy experience is yin-yang for people who truly are physically attracted to the same sex.

This is why I think our particular sexual identity is fixed. Even being open and experimental, I'm just not wired to experience myself with a woman in a sexual and romantic yin-yang kind of way.

posted February 10, 2010 04:24 PM         

I remember thinking she is a SERIOUSLY good kisser.. but I was thinking this with my head - I wasn't physically attracted.

We haven't done anything since lol and we both think it's pretty funny we did that.

I had another experience about a couple of weeks ago.. This woman went a little nutty over me, which was actually a put off. We have great synastry. I did like her as a friend. We spoke for a while.. The conversation turned to sexual topics which I'm happy to talk about till the break of dawn (but this was not leading anywhere from my perspective).. I was kind of shocked when she asked me to "experiment" with her, because I didn't see her that way.

It's not that I wouldn't *experiment* - but I wasn't attracted. Anyway I tried to drop this nicely but she kept insisting.. and I had to see her again later and she was insisting again and then saying she was embarrassed because I said no - so I felt horrible.. but

posted February 10, 2010 05:53 PM         

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I had another experience about a couple of weeks ago.. This woman went a little nutty over me, which was actually a put off.

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Oh yeah...about that. Sorry. I couldn't stop myself!

She sounds a bit creepy to keep insisting and guilt tripping you.

Why do you think it's easier for you to be blunt with guys? Less chance of hurting their feelings?

posted February 11, 2010 01:49 AM         

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Don't know about rich, but for homosexuality/bisexuality.. here are some things that I've noticed:

Venus in Libra or Aquarius
Mars in Libra or Aquarius
Uranus aspecting Venus and/or Mars
Certain Pisces placements
Moon in 7th house
Sun in 12th house

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I've got mars in Aqu and I'm not gay so I guess it's all CRAP then