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posted February 26, 2010 11:43 AM         

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posted February 26, 2010 05:43 PM         

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posted February 26, 2010 06:23 PM         

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I've just been reading about Anaretic degree. The native can evaluate and re-evaluate the situation for some time and then blindly jump into action opposite to his evaluations. The real sense of urgency is always present.
Thank you again. You rock.

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posted February 26, 2010 08:02 PM         

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Starkiss, don't know how to do those lil heart things back at ya, and too lazy to figure it out now.

From Newton's books, there is a suggestion that once a soul is highly experienced and has achieved a higher level of wisdom, compassion, and a bunch of other desirable traits...then it might choose not to incarnate but instead to act as a guide for other souls, or some other role in the vast array of roles existing. I don't think anyone knows if these souls have, by definition, burnt off all karma, or not. I doubt that's something we'll ever know. Either way, I can't wait to have the veil lifted and to know the Truth again. This is a subject that fascinates me endlessly.

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posted February 26, 2010 08:15 PM         

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Crabby, I know how you feel. I am fascinated by this subject since I was a kid. I don't think we will find out the truth in this life, though. We can only guess and poke. I would love to believe in so many things, but my mind wants proof and niggles me.

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posted February 26, 2010 08:24 PM         

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I should be undergoing a past-life regression or two, soon, in preparation for a future "Life Between Lives" regression (that I can't afford at the moment - it costs $375). I asked if I might have the session (the cheaper one), as an early birthday present, but my dad said to just schedule it anyway - if it helps me with my anxiety/depression/the way I've been feeling lost for a while now, then great.

I've been hoping to find out what others experienced with this type of thing - outside of Newton's and Weiss' books (interesting as they are).

(And sorry to butt in - I was just thinking about all of this earlier, as I picked up my copy of Memories of the Afterlife, and then saw your discussion here.)

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posted February 26, 2010 08:25 PM         

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Crabby - you just type : heart : with no spaces..

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posted February 26, 2010 08:26 PM         

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To post a heart, just do this:

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without the spaces.

Blue heart = : bheart :

Smilie with hearts around it = : love :

*edit. vapor got there first.

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posted February 26, 2010 09:09 PM         

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All I know from my father's experience, who clinically died 35 five years ago, and he told me himself about it when I was 8 years old, that he was in the "tunnel" when he "died" and felt very calm, though he did not see the light. As he put it gallantly, the only thing which really was annoying him and distracting him from feeling at complete peace was my mother's voice pleading with him not to go. Ten years later, when I turned 18, I read Raymond Moody's book Life after Life about NDE of different people and was amazed at similarity to my father's experience.

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posted February 26, 2010 09:27 PM         

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Starkiss, if you're not sure what you believe, what do you think happens to people when they die?

My NY-based medium will make a believer out of you in one session, but probably only if you have relatives or friends who have passed on, otherwise you wouldn't recognize "them" from their messages.

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posted February 26, 2010 09:59 PM         

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Wow!
I should start charging.

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posted February 26, 2010 10:11 PM         

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My Great Uncle, who passed away ten years ago, had a near-death experience when he died on the operating table, sometime during the 90's. He had been an atheist (or agnostic) up until that point, but he said that he felt so at peace, that he was angry when they brought him back - he, the ex- pro-boxer that he was - wanted to beat up whomever brought him back.

(This laptop keeps freezing up on me...)

Lexx - I didn't know you did full regressions. I wish that I could afford the proper LBL, but I'm going for the $75 one at some point (I want to make sure we can afford it).

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posted February 26, 2010 10:31 PM         

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I believe in Mind over Matter. I also believe that we acquire so much emotional and mental knowledge in this life that it can't just go to waste. We learn, love, hate, fall and rise and store so much luggage that it can't just disappear with our physical body, it would not make sense to me if it did. I would not feel comfortable speaking to a medium, though and I'll tell you why. If she/he started telling me nonsense which I would feel obliged to nod to,I'd just give her the money and leave, lol. It's just me.

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posted February 26, 2010 10:51 PM         

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Crabby, no offence to your medium in NY, but I think my reluctance to use mediums comes to this: I don't believe in middleman. This is why I am not religious. I never believed in going to a priest to be able to talk to God. If any of the deceased friends or relatives want to talk to me from the other side, why don't they talk to me straight? In my dreams or in some other way? And I certainly don't believe a middleman/medium, who is charging me for speaking to my passed away friends. No offence to anybody, just my 2 cents.

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posted February 26, 2010 11:03 PM         

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posted February 26, 2010 11:09 PM         

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Holy Moley, I did it!!!! Did everyone see that????? It only took me nearly 11 months but I did it!

Anyway, stuffing religion aside, suidicide is wrong because you INTENTIONALLY cause suffering to those who love you, which is a sucky, mean and selfish thing to do.

Take it from one who has experienced this:
when someone you love kills themselves, you blame yourself no matter how many people tell you not to.
You go over and over what you could of said or did different.
You drive yourself bonkers.
This is totally creating more karma, and with the SAME folks who you wanted rid of to begin with!!!!
Best to tough it out and graduate. I know easier said then done, but that is what MY belief system tells me is right.

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posted February 26, 2010 11:24 PM         

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Yes I have done many for many years.
However since the stroke of 2007 have been mostly home/or bed bound, so not out at this time doing in person.

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posted February 26, 2010 11:57 PM         

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Gyps, you did what, sweetheart?
BTW, I was just thinking about you and you piped up.

Lexx, you know what I mean?

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posted February 27, 2010 12:04 AM         

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Gyps, I trust your experience. But I will have to check it out myself any way, cos it's just me!!!!!! Love ya, plum!!!!

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posted February 27, 2010 12:48 AM         

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Definitely! Seems we are very much of the same thought in this matter!
It also annoys me at how many people are out there charging for readings, be it Astrological, Tarot, Lexigrams, Past Lives, and so forth...who have little to no real skills.
If readers of any kind want to charge, fine. It is when they are unethical about it or do not know their craft well enough to be doing it for others, paying or not.
Another gripe is concerning those who
seek their livelihood or wealth from the suffering or desperation of others.

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posted February 27, 2010 01:08 AM         

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Do you mean the using of smileys?
This is a good site. http://bestsmileys.com/pageindex.htm]best smileys
Just cut and paste!
Another good one but you must add your own [img][/img]
the first one at the beginning and the second one at the end. http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/]onegreatguy

Also when you type your replies, there is a Smiley Legend link to click on at the left.
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posted February 27, 2010 08:17 AM         

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Starkiss, I have no personal agenda to get anyone here to believe in the ability that some people have to hear, see and otherwise sense spirit. So I'm not taking offense that you don't believe in a middleman.

I know what I know, and I feel that I am fortunate to have had the experiences I've had. I am one of the people who spirit doesn't contact directly, and if they have come to me in dream visitations, I sadly only remember one of them and it wasn't particularly meaningful, either.

So I took myself to a "professional" who I happily paid to provide me with a service I couldn't have performed myself. Just like people come to our law office and don't complain that we take a fee for suing the anesthesiologist who walked away during the procedure and didn't catch the dangerous dips in blood pressure which ended up killing their father during a routine biopsy. These people would have no clue how to sit across a conference table from the anesthesiologist and question him cogently enough to make his insurance company fold and make a settlement offer. But we, the attorneys, have the training and the expertise, and we put ourselves out there, and not for free.

We all have to make a living in this cruel world where money is what gets you your kid's milk and Pampers, unless you live on a farm and grow everything yourself. Yes, even the mediums have to pay bills.

I'm not saying your life would change in any significant manner if you had a reading. But there are many people out there who have been given their first ray of hope by a good medium after grieving for years and being psychologically crippled, at that. That is invaluable, and they were only too happy to pay for that.

After my father passed away, within 8 days I had a reading with a wonderful medium over the phone. She immediately told me of a man who was a father figure, and then she came out of left field with a four syllable nickname that she struggled with pronouncing, but that was instant validation for me. My father was raised in a family which spoke Ladino, a language which is a combination of Hebrew and Spanish. The nickname that he had for me when I was a little girl was a Ladino word (four syllables) meaning "disorganized scatter brain". This lady, of Irish extraction, couldn't quite get her mouth around it, but she sure as heck tried, and she did a great job for someone who doesn't speak Ladino. She gave me other concrete validations that day. These were no generalized messages. This was straight from my father, who described, through her, the physical symptoms he had in the months before his death, as well as what he felt physically right before passing over. He also apologized for not having left a will.

By the way, I'm not religious either, and my issue with organized religion was that I didn't see any value in going to a building to read out loud with a bunch of other people from prayer books which had no meaning to them.

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posted February 27, 2010 09:03 AM         

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Yes they do, as do astrologers, and readers using any method.
It is the ridiculously high fees they charge that most folks simply cannot afford, or will pay at the cost of not taking care of themselves or their family in their desperation for answers,
and those charging happily take the money knowing damn well many are poor.

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I'm not saying your life would change in any significant manner if you had a reading. But there are many people out there who have been given their first ray of hope by a good medium after grieving for years and being psychologically crippled, at that. That is invaluable, and they were only too happy to pay for that.

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I have found that the poor often are more willing to pay than the not poor.
I will not bilk poor people out of their money to pad my pockets.
And so I remain poor myself but have a clear conscience.
I have been offered a lot of money from wealthy folks but never take to date anything close to what they offered.
However for example,a snobbish wealthy fellow was on a business trip;
his purebred very expensive show dog was dognapped from his home in America while he was off in Europe. I was contacted and I and a friend physically found his dog many miles away in a very bad desolate area tied to a fence by a gas well on a hot day with no food or water. The dog was watered and fed and taken back home.
Well all was well until Mr. rich guy got back home and found that I live in a ramshackle place in a poor area, and decided I guess, that I was not a "fancy" psychic whom he could show off and tell his snobby friends about. He was extremely grateful until his snobbery set in.
However grateful he was, I did not get a thank you directly from him, but by way of the person who he had contact me.
My reputation as a skilled psychic, reader, medium and more, had found its way around, but I am not fancy, flashy, financially upper crust enough for some snobs to bother to even offer to pay, because they feel I guess that they cannot "show me off".
Not the only time the wealthy have ripped me off and taken advantage of me either.
So I mostly do work for the poor for free, who cannot afford the expensive mediums, readers, or even not expensive readers and so forth. (Even a few bucks is too much for some folks in need to pay)
And again, my ethics do not help pay then bills, but I have refused to overcharge the wealthy folks, and have refused to charge the poor folks.
So at what point is a fee for services rendered justified, and for how much money, and when is doing it for free the right thing to do?

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posted February 27, 2010 09:22 AM         

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Lexx, I'm sure you're right. I've encountered plenty of wealthy people in my 40 years who are cheap, selfish, unappreciative, and above all, snobbish. Not surprised the guy with the dog treated you like cr*p. And he created a whole new bunch of karma for himself, didn't he?

I think it's laudable that you don't charge the poor. I would do the same in your position. IQ does this every day, it seems. Some mediums have their own version of this, be it a sliding fee scale or just plain volunteer work. You won't know about this if you don't ask, though. I have more to say on the topic, but have to run to an appointment. More later.

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posted February 27, 2010 09:27 AM         

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Thank you for your kind reply.
Yes iQ does do much free work here at LL, but he also charges at his site for various readings.
Perhaps I should consider doing the same.

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