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Valus
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posted February 27, 2010 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

Ruler of the 12th in the 8th house,
or vice-versa, is a likely possibility,
and may help determine the time of birth.

Suicide is a very personal choice.
I realize many people have strong opinions
about it, but, ultimately, it is a choice
which we are in no position to judge.

For many, the choice is made on a gut-level,
while, for others, it is a calculated risk.
For all we know, it may be the wisest thing.

I have long suspected that we are all here,
incarnated in matter, on accout of assumptions
we made regarding the relation of spirit and matter.
Namely, we are prejudiced in favor of matter,
and compulsively seek to have ourselves and
our ideas manifested and reflected in matter.
We do not have proper reverence for the immaterial.
Until we understand this, and reverse our values,
I suspect, we will continue to reincarnate.

Two recent meditations on this position:
What Did Plato Really Mean?
The Most Needful Thing (Is Not A Thing)


"If suicide is cowardly,
how much more so is the fear of death?"
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posted February 27, 2010 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
On a similar vein concerning readers and other spiritual workers...
Reiki.
A person who advertises herself as a high lever Reiki master healer was introduced to me by a close friend.
She said she found my energy fascinating and wanted to touch me and see what kind of person and psychic energy I am/have.
Well as she lay her hands on me she began crying and shaking and trembling uncontrollably, and her grip on me tightened to near painful levels.
I will not post all details of what she said to me in that session, but two things were, "who are you? What are you"
She then said I was much more of an adept than anyone she had ever met...
but....
and here is where it gets weirder...
she said to make it official I had to let her give me a Reiki attunement and show my sincerity to the universe that I wanted to become a Reiki master by paying her a highly discounted fee of $200.00, so that once she attuned me I could work on healing her.
OK...it gets even weirder.
We were invited to her home.
She is not poor by a long shot, her income exceeding ours by a factor of about 9X.
Well she gave us her life story, and complained about how hard her life still was.
We were like...is she kidding?
But no, she sincerely believed she was a member of the suffering struggling poor.
So we listened to her and counseled her and comforted her for several weeks.
She still wanted me to pay for the attunement from her however, so I could offically work on her as a Reki person and not just as myself.
She thought it seems that I was simply being stubborn about not paying her, not realizing I did not have that kind of cash to spare.
Well one day she called because her life was going to pieces, (in her opinion)and asked to meet at a restaurant.
It was there that she asked us about our lives and income after her b!tching about how poor she was, when we told her she was not poor and that she should be grateful for her life, good health, and wealth, and loving family.
Well suffice it to say, she was totally shocked and horrified to discover how poor we are, even saying, "but you both seem so upper class".
We told her that wealth or lack of it does not make for "having class", which is significantly different from being high classed.
Well, the meal and visit ended and when it was time to pay, to her horror, she had forgotten her wallet.
We paid for her meal too which was better than each of ours.
We parted with hugs and talk to you soon, but never heard from her again, even though she is only minutes away.
Perhaps she was embarrassed?
So as you may be able to see,; I do take issue with many such folks, readers, mediums and so forth.
Another was a person I will term a "Lily Daler" fake medium, who charges by the way.
She threw a party and asked us to do readings for her guests who could pay in donation if they wanted to do so.
Well before the readings began she came to us as we were waiting in a room where we could do each reading privately, and get this;
she hands me a list of names of guests with things written after each name.
I glanced and threw it crumpled back at her and said is that what I think it is?!
I was so very angry!
She said she wanted her guests to be happy with their readings, a Tarot reading from my partner, a medium/psychic reading from me;
and wanted us to study her cheat sheet of details about each of them so the readings would be perfect and impress her guests.
We told her, no, we do it our way without cheating as she and her other Lily Dale buddies do, or we would leave.
Well, we read all of them individually and
they were very happy with their readings....
until she told them she had told us about each of them...ha ha ha hee hee hee! Soooo damn funny! Grrrrrrrrrr......and of course a few felt we were frauds, but most knew we wqere not, for example;
one lady who was amazed because she had not told anyone about what we told her.
So yeah, I have trouble believing in the ethics and veracity of many in spiritually related fields of practice.

Two more examples as to my feeling jaded about readers.
I helped friends out at a few psychic fairs.
I sat for hours listening to the Spiritualist ministers/readers doing readings. The readings were so, stock and fake, I felt sad for the gulliable folks getting rooked by those frauds.
Also the Aura photographer...
After awhile I realized that she had sets of filters/backgrounds to fake each aura portrait. The colors would be different each time and then stop and repeat over and over.
And...on a psychic radio show a caller called in to one of these fakes and begain screaming and crying because her daughter was dead...yet the fake medium had told her that her daughter was going to get well soon and trust in spirit.
And...another guy called in asking if his future had any happy news in it.
The fake medium goes on and on about all kinds of happy happy joy joy things, most years from now, after asking if the man had a family, and then contimued lying to beat the band...
when the caller said,"thanks for nothing, I have terminal brain cancer and a few weeks left before my family has to go on without me".
Sadly too many readers out there are like that.

By the Way,
the only good readings are ones I have received from GeocosmicValentine(spelling?) and several others here at LindaLand!
Blessings and love to all!

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posted February 27, 2010 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
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Suicide is a very personal choice.
I realize many people have strong opinions
about it, but, ultimately, it is a choice
which we are in no position to judge.
I agree.

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posted February 27, 2010 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
I haven't read the rest of this thread, I just wanted to add that I don't mind paying a certain amount of money, but the $375 disappointed me - it just seemed like the extra $300 was thrown on, because of the popularity of the books on the subject; maybe it's just more in-depth, and consumes much more of the both the time and energy of the hypnotherapist, though.

Re: suicide. I've been suicidal, and the only reason I'm still here is my family. Had I killed myself when I was fifteen, my sister would have been the one to find me... I also knew that my parents would blame themselves, no matter what the reality was. So sense got through to me, even in that state. I have come close, though - several times (the thoughts have been back, here and there, since last July).

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posted February 27, 2010 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
teasel

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posted February 27, 2010 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Lexx, I would charge atleast a dollar for full fledged readings even if I became a billionaire.
The reason is that if a person does not pay for any kind of occult service, then they are not able to utilize the knolwedge, plus they have a karmic debt. [ The ones who promise to pay, have the money and then dont, they unnecessarily bring a bigger karmic debt upon themselves. ]

As those privileged to be gifted occult knowledge, we should not create more karmic debts. Hence, my dear, DO CHARGE

$5 or $25 or $50 or $75, based on affordability.

God's methods are soooooo mathematically precise, that if you undercharge, the true due comes to you 3 fold. Always better to slightly undercharge. You wont be stopping free services but so many will be comfortable utlizing your services if they can pay something.

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posted February 28, 2010 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
iQ.....
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Lexx, I would charge atleast a dollar for full fledged readings even if I became a billionaire.
I would not, not if the person(s) truly could not pay even that amount. Yes, there are people that poor in the world, even if it is only a temporary state of hardship.
If I had more money than I needed, I would use it to help folks, keeping only what I needed, to live like a non disabled person, and not have to worry about not being able to afford things as needed. Anything beyond that is selfish and hedonistic. In fact I still help folks out even though I am poor. For example, a fellow I know online only, who lives a long way from me, was very depressed over the Christmas holidays because he had nothing to eat before his disability check came in. So I called a pizza place and paid for a feast that would last him a few days in his refrigerator, and had it delivered to him because he does not drive either. Could I afford it easily? No. I had to sacrifice the fancy bits of my holiday meal.
We did not have presents here either.
I wish I were rich so I could help more folks who are down on hard times.
I highlighted in the quoting of your words.
quote:
The reason is that if a person does not pay for any kind of occult service, then they are not able to utilize the knolwedge,
So....Hmmmmm......
Poor/unable to pay=
too stupid to utilize the knowledge.
and undeserving of a reading.
?????
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plus they have a karmic debt.

Karmic debt for not being able to pay?????
=they deserve to be too poor to pay and are worthless and unworthy of receiving a reading/knowledge.
?????
quote:
[ The ones who promise to pay, have the money and then dont, they unnecessarily bring a bigger karmic debt upon themselves. ]

That makes sense, as they would be taking advantage of another person for their own agendas.
quote:
As those privileged to be gifted occult knowledge, we should not create more karmic debts. Hence, my dear, DO CHARGE

Now that just does not sound right to me. The creating more karmic debts if doing them for free.
quote:
$5 or $25 or $50 or $75, based on affordability.
Well, I certainly cannot afford the higher fees and have been too poor to afford the smaller fee. So in essence you have said that I am/have been too stupid and or undeserving.
quote:
to utilize the knolwedge,

And acquired because I had readings given to me for free;
quote:
plus they have a karmic debt.
By the way, you misspelled "knowledge", and "at least", and "don't, and "utilizing"..
quote:
God's methods are soooooo mathematically precise, that if you undercharge, the true due comes to you 3 fold.
Not that I have seen in my 55 years to date.
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Always better to slightly undercharge.
Well free is definitely undercharging, however you state that:
quote:
if a person does not pay for any kind of occult service, then they are not able to utilize the knolwedge, plus they have a karmic debt
And;
quote:
As those privileged to be gifted occult knowledge, we should not create more karmic debts. Hence, my dear, DO CHARGE
So by giving it away, I would be creating more Karmic debts??????
quote:
You wont be stopping free services but so many will be comfortable utlizing your services if they can pay something.
You pretty much said that "free" is a bad thing, a few different ways here.
You have left me bewildered to say the least.
Thank you for your reply nevertheless.

PS. You have given free readings to me and others, which contradicts much of what you have said.
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posted February 28, 2010 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, Lexx. (That's part of the reason I want/need the reading. The book caught my eye, when I was feeling really depressed.)

Valus wrote:

quote:
Ruler of the 12th in the 8th house,
or vice-versa, is a likely possibility,
and may help determine the time of birth.

Hmm... Venus rules my 12th house (Libra), and I have Venus in Gemini, conjunct the cusp of my 8th house.

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posted February 28, 2010 01:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
You are welcome dear teasel
I hope you feel better soon.
I struggle with depression too,
and have been suicidal many times.
I totally understand.
Blessings and love to you teasel!

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posted February 28, 2010 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Lexx, the Free will Mind in this dimension is so powerful, that it has been permitted to keep spiritual laws from working blissfully.
You keep blocking abundance, and so you dont see the 3 times increase law work in your life.

When an Astrologer like me or any other astrologer OFFERS a FREE READING, we nullify the karmic debt. The user WILL BE ABLE to use that knowledge. It is when we OFFER a paid service, even for one dollar, and a poor chap cannot pay for that, then that knowledge can get blocked, until he or she pays for it in another way. Good wishes, helping another with his or her own knowledge and so on.

The way you have dissected my post without grasping the spirit of my message, it is a clear cut blockage issue. If I knew you wanted to dissect a post like a Lawyer, would I not have written like a lawyer with tons of clauses and ruined my intent, to see you prosper by doing what you love? Never dissect a friends message. Feel and Grasp the intent.

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posted February 28, 2010 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message
Lexx, your heart is sooooo in the right place. The pizza thing, and I'm sure that's not the only time you've done something like that, it points to your deep compassion and desire to help. I have done some things like that, too, and try to keep it up every day, but I've never been even close to "poor" in this lifetime (I've always been somehow 'taken care of' from a monetary standpoint, maybe my packed 8th house shows it). So I appreciate that it takes a great soul to give to others when they hardly have themselves. I wanted to put that out there before I say the next thing, so you don't think I'm tearing you down.

When I ran off to my appointment yesterday, I was thinking that when I'd come back to my computer, I would write something along the lines of what IQ wrote. It would have never sounded the same, of course. We all have a different perspective. I know nothing about karmic debts vis-a-vis payment for services. What I do know is from my intuitive knowledge of human nature. I was going to say that I had a distinct feeling you were hung up on the topic of wealth. Like somehow you felt that if someone had expendable money, they wouldn't be a good person. Not that extreme - I don't know how to put it into words - but something along those lines. Maybe that staying "poor" gave you a better opportunity to be a good person. Anyway, IQ just came out with it and diagnosed you with a block. My planets in Libra make me beat around the bush a little. But I think you need to take into consideration what IQ said. And I think you need to think on this: sometimes people feel better about getting something if they've paid for it. There's no guilt attached to it, because they've paid... it wasn't a "handout".

I think you, Lexx, can combine your sense of volunteerism with a "professional practice" where you're paid for your readings/healings. I think that's what IQ does.

By the way, my reader in New York is currently charging $110 for a 50 minute reading or for a healing. Others who have equal (or less talent than her) are charging anywhere from $150 to $700. She asked the advice of a lot of people when trying to determine what her fee should be, as she is transitioning from a completely different career and really had no concept. I was one of the people who told her to keep it on the low end, given the state of the economy. I also told her that if someone called and asked about payment options, she should take the hint and reduce her fee, since that person obviously needed her assistance but couldn't pay $110. I do think you can offer a service for payment but be flexible when need be.

I was told (in a reading with another psychic/medium) that I should practice something like tithing - give to others at least 10% of what I had. Whether the source was legit or not, I find that concept appealing. If we all, according to ability, gave a certain percentage of what we earned away, wouldn't the world be a better place? And along those lines, what if you, Lexx, charged enough for your readings that you could afford to live in better surroundings, or live in the same place but enjoy more food or more goodies... but consistently gave away your services to a certain percentage of needy people? Could you live with that?

And, by the way, I am offering to you free website design services. It's my new hobby and it lets my artistic side have expression. If you don't already have a site of your own, advertising your services, I will be able to create a nice one for you in a few weeks' time, and all you'll have to pay is for the web hosting. Let me know.

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posted February 28, 2010 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

To my eyes, the Law of Karma appears far more complex and elaborate than our conventional, snapshot conceptions of her outermost operations manage to describe. In associating outward effects with inward causes, we usually neglect to observe certain nuances which, ultimately, carry the burden of meaning. A small and singular act, for good or ill, can be the eventual result of a massive and unsuspected tangle of intentions. A loss can still signify a victory; for there are some soul battles which it is an honor even to have fought at all. And how many more curious vicissitudes like these may be brought to mind?

A pure action, we know, can later, -- and many times over, -- be put to impure use. In fact, there are few, if any, temptations which compare to the temptation of having, at one time or another, exhibited exceptionally virtuous or masterful behavior; to remember our past goodness at a time when our intentions may not be quite so good.

Every action arises, and divests itself, from a virtually unconscious tangle of contradictory and complimentary impulses, and every action contains within itself the seeds of all relevant possibilities. But we like to think that there are simply good and bad actions, and that once an action which is entirely, essentially, or predominantly good or bad has been committed, it can never be raised or lowered from its place. Keats wrote: "A thing of beauty is a joy forever," and this is true. Yet, even the most eternally enchanting objects, actions, and ideas may be viewed through a dirty or distorted lens.

While we may speak of cancelling out or transcending our karma, or the karma of others, it seems more likely that this occurs, if it occurs at all, on a level utterly removed from ourselves. The Grace of God, or that which apparently dissolves rigid karmic patterns, does not seem to wait on our command, or even our invitation. Rather, it enters into our lives, thoughts, and actions, much to our surprise. It is always a reminder. Not something called to mind, but something which interrupts the normal, or usual, continuity of thought. A gentle nudge that partly rouses one from the deepest sleep.

There is no impulse within us capable of remembering God, or willing ourselves into wakefulness. On the contrary, it is precisely this self-conscious will of ours which seems to inhibit and prevent our full consciousness of the presence and will of God. Nothing we know, and no impressions we have kept, however cherished, however consecrated by rites or holy names, -- nothing at all that we have seen or been is capable of putting us in mind of God; for the breath and life of God is something quicker than the eye, more dynamic than the mind, and expressing infinitely more dimensions than the flesh. It comes over us, and startles our spirit, so that we can only remark, "What?! -- What was that?!!" It is only in the aftermath that we reflect to ourselves, "What else could it have been, but the hand of God?"

And when the memory of that divine touch has been thoroughly killed and catalogued and sapped of the last of whatever spiritual juice it contained, we think, "That was me. My free will is responsible for that. Let me proclaim it as a testament to my goodness." The truth is, we have never been so far from the grace of God as when we endeavored to take credit for His works.

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posted February 28, 2010 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message
Valus, what, pray tell, are you trying to say?

I don't dare to interpret this one, because what I think you're trying to say may not really be your meaning and I don't want to ASSume. But since you put it out there, perhaps you would clarify as to how that paragraph applies to the situation at hand?

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posted February 28, 2010 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

hi crabby,

I tend to say exactly what I mean, without a filter. Mercury conjunct Mars in Sagittarius in the 12th is that way. Those are just some reflections on Karma, triggered by LEXX-and-IQ's posts, but not necessarily connected in a more direct or deliberate way. If you see connections, they may very well have a great deal of meaning for you, though.

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posted February 28, 2010 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Nice post Crabby,
I have had the good fortune of researching every best-selling mind power abundance "guru" there is on the web.
The 10% tithe rule is true.
Linda's 3x for x from extra given is true.
But Free-Will blocks to prevent these abundance forces are the strongest.

The images of poverty, sins/snobbery of the misguided rich, they all contribute to prevent abundance from reaching us through our subconscious mind. Abundance is a birthright.

If Lexx makes money, exponentially more people will benefit. Without having to worry about bills, she and her husband can multiply their psychic services.

I am guilty of creating digressions in this thread but I felt the abundance issue was important for all selfless psychics/mediums/altenative healers like Lexx and your friend.

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posted February 28, 2010 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message

IQ,

Neither you, nor anyone else, should have to assume guilt for introducing digressions. Who's fascistically linear agenda are we offending, anyway, when we follow the free stream of thought where it leads, through bend and break and frothing waterfall? Must we harbor and encourage suspicion against one another, every time the stream takes a, likely or unlikely, turn? Besides, don't digressions frequently breathe life back into dying threads?

The magical operation of the will, and the accumulation of what may be called abundance, in one form or another, is a fascinating topic, particularly as it relates to questions of Karma. One can hardly keep from ruminating on the relevance of certain distinctions between Thaumaturgy, or Common Magic, and Theurgy, or Divine Magick. A worthy theme if ever there was one, which we might not have considered today had we felt constrained to stay "on topic".

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posted February 28, 2010 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you all for your replies.
crabbypatty
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I was going to say that I had a distinct feeling you were hung up on the topic of wealth. Like somehow you felt that if someone had expendable money, they wouldn't be a good person.
No! That is not what I meant! There are not good poor and not good rich folks, Again, as with class, there is a BIG difference betwixt being high or low classed by society's measure, and "having" or "having no class", which affects both the poor and the rich. Money or lack of it does not make a person automatically good or bad...or worthy.
Which leads to my taking issue with iQ's remarks/views, which to me clearly indicate that he feels he is better and wiser than the poor and the poor are trash to be ignored and do not deserve access to knowledge or whatever...Maybe I am the only one seeing that from him, but it does look that way from here.
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Not that extreme - I don't know how to put it into words - but something along those lines. Maybe that staying "poor" gave you a better opportunity to be a good person
My being poor does not affect how good of a person I am.
I am who I am. If I were rich, I could get better care for my body, and handicap equipment, and have the energy and means to not only help myself and my husband who is ill, but be able to help so many more folks!
So does "staying" poor make me feel it makes me a better person? No way! That is silly to say the least!
I meant no offense and am not against the wealthy as I do have wealthy friends, and am happy that they have prospered financially. Yet too often, sadly, wealth has not made them happy or content.
And dirt poor ones too, who are often happier overall than the wealthier ones.
I will reply more in full today sometime, body willing.
However I do take issue with the ridiculous concept that I am blocking abundance.
And 1Q has "diagnosed" me before and was/is wrong. Some of that concerned his belief that I deserve to be how I am, and poor.
Well, accidents happen, genetics rule, birth defects happen, being assaulted and injured, strokes and whatever, and not being able to afford college.....well I take issue with his idea that in essence, that I asked for all my hardship and deserve it and am blocking abundance.
Geeez.

As to this:

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And I think you need to think on this: sometimes people feel better about getting something if they've paid for it. There's no guilt attached to it, because they've paid... it wasn't a "handout".
I know many poor who feel that way and even refuse government aid, which is a stubborn foolish choice, because that help is there to help pull them out of their poverty. What iQ said was not what you said, that I just quoted. Your statement about people wanting to pay made sense. His sounded condescending and insulting of the folks who simply cannot pay, no matter how mush they desire to do so. And the bit about them not being able to utilize knowledge because they were unable to pay...still seems to me a sly way of saying they are stupid and undeserving of it and deserve to be poor.

crabbypatty. <3<3<3
Thank you for your offer <3
I shall keep your offer on file.
However, I would want to pay you.

iQ...
You claim I ripped apart your previous reply.
Since when is replying line by line trying to understand what exactly you mean, a bad thing? If one is trying to get clarification of what another means, then questions will be asked and quotes made. And I did so iQ, because it still does not ring right to me, and I do not see where I missed your points.
I am not trying to fight with you, but your statements seem strange to put it nicely.
Your next reply had one good line....but the rest....hmmmmm......I do not agree with your "diagnosis"...too Hayes style nonsense thinking in my opinion. Maybe we are simply having a communication problem? I would prefer it were so. Is it?

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The way you have dissected my post without grasping the spirit of my message, it is a clear cut blockage issue.
Because I carefully read and meticulously replied to your post, and you judge me and say I have "blockage issues"? Why did you say that?
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If I knew you wanted to dissect a post like a Lawyer, would I not have written like a lawyer with tons of clauses and ruined my intent, to see you prosper by doing what you love?
I asked questions is all trying to get clarification as to certain things you said. Why are you taking offense?
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Never dissect a friends message. Feel and Grasp the intent.
I think your intent was good, but the judgments were not and many seemed rude and contradictory.
And this again:
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It is when we OFFER a paid service, even for one dollar, and a poor chap cannot pay for that, then that knowledge can get blocked, until he or she pays for it in another way. Good wishes, helping another with his or her own knowledge and so on.
That sounds like a sly way of saying, "he does not deserve knowledge".
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When an Astrologer like me or any other astrologer OFFERS a FREE READING, we nullify the karmic debt. The user WILL BE ABLE to use that knowledge.
Sooo, if a poor non payer ASKS for a reading, they are not going to get one as you deem them unworthy of it?
But if YOU offer it to that person then they deserve it? Or do you never offer it to folks who cannot pay? Sounds like a possible control issue plus a judgment on whom you deem worthy.
So again...am I misunderstanding you?
I think..your intentions are probably good, but I see too much contradiction.
And why would I want to block abundance and exactly how do you feel I am doing such a foolish thing? You claim to have "diagnosed" me, so here is your chance to explain that diagnosis and have it make sense as it actually applies to me (if it does...) and not simply your opinions and or assumptions about me. :-/


I shall return to reply more later.
Not at my best at the moment.

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posted February 28, 2010 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message
OK, Valus, glad I didn't go off on some tangent because of what you had written. I'm beginning to understand your style, little by little. And I agree with you that it's great to digress, since the digressions usually lead to the GOOD STUFF!!! But I think sometimes posters feel compelled to stay on topic because of the way this entire site is organized. Posters tell other posters, "better post that on x forum, because it's not y related". If you read between the lines, the message is "stay on topic".
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Lexx, I really mean it. And I've done some research on search engine optimization, key words, etc., so that'll come in handy for your business, too.

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And Lexx, I don't think IQ diagnosed you, it was I who used the word "diagnose" to begin with, and perhaps that was improper and worked you up unnecessarily. So I apologize to both of you. My reading of IQ's post differs from yours, though. I did a lot of corresponding with him a few months ago, as he did some (paid) Sabian/Draconic/MP chart analysis for me and someone I know, and there was a lot of back and forth e-mailing because I didn't always understand his initial meaning due to his writing style, which I found to be kind of rapid-fire, for lack of a better term. I think when you write like that you unwittingly leave a lot of room for interpretation. People's minds roam to all sorts of regions when you don't spell things out in a painstaking (Virgo-esque) manner. I really don't think IQ meant anything in a condescending manner, not at all. I also don't believe he has a disdain for the poor. But, he doesn't need a lawyer, he's a big boy, so I'm not going to go on endlessly. Just that my sense of him is that he wants to help everyone, not just those who have "made it". I think there's some metaphysical symbolism to "some payment" that he's trying to explain.

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posted February 28, 2010 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Valus     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks. My personal opinion is that the topic of a thread should fit the forum, and whatever is discussed should relate, even if its only by free association, to the train of the ongoing dicussion. It should spring from what has been said, and should not be completely incoherent or inconsequential. Other than that, I say, knock yourself out. People will criticize no matter what you do, so you may as well just tell them threads have a life of their own and leave it at that. The Spirit wants to come in, any way it can, and our only real obligation is not to make that more difficult than it needs to be by placing too many limitations on what can or should be expressed.

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posted February 28, 2010 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
crabbypatty
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Lexx, I really mean it. And I've done some research on search engine optimization, key words, etc., so that'll come in handy for your business, too.
Again thank you and I may take you up on it. Maybe talk it over with my husband, because he understands all of that kind of thing.
Thank you for your kind offer!

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And Lexx, I don't think IQ diagnosed you, it was I who used the word "diagnose" to begin with, and perhaps that was improper and worked you up unnecessarily. So I apologize to both of you.
Well no matter who said what, his was a judgment of me and a labeling, which I do not feel was proper because he does not know me very well.
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My reading of IQ's post differs from yours, though. I did a lot of corresponding with him a few months ago, as he did some (paid) Sabian/Draconic/MP chart analysis for me and someone I know, and there was a lot of back and forth e-mailing because I didn't always understand his initial meaning due to his writing style, which I found to be kind of rapid-fire, for lack of a better term. I think when you write like that you unwittingly leave a lot of room for interpretation.
I understand what you are saying I think.
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People's minds roam to all sorts of regions when you don't spell things out in a painstaking (Virgo-esque) manner. I really don't think IQ meant anything in a condescending manner, not at all.
I hope that is true about him, but I am not sure where he actually stands.
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I also don't believe he has a disdain for the poor. But, he doesn't need a lawyer, he's a big boy, so I'm not going to go on endlessly. Just that my sense of him is that he wants to help everyone, not just those who have "made it". I think there's some metaphysical symbolism to "some payment" that he's trying to explain.
Well I encountered (and it was not the first time....will explain after this comment)a recent thread where in my opinion he did indeed insult or look down on the poor and non college educated people.
Men in this instance. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000812.html
Seemed he did indeed equate poor and not college educated with being possibly more abusive mates. And wealthy highly educated fellows with degrees, as being more likely to not be abusive spouses.
Maybe it is a cultural thing for him, where he lives, or something...but if you read my replies on that thread you will see what torqued me off there too.
OK...
About a past disagreement...
I do not remember the exact details but he was going on about men requiring their sexual needs all their lives and women only have so much sexual, energy which gets used up...they dry up...no sexual energy...or some such bullfinch crap.
He has p!ssed me off other times with his other sexist remarks.
I think maybe it is just effect of where he lives and his upbringing and perhaps his caste too that causes such disagreements and misunderstandings to come from me.
I am honestly trying to understand him.
I think his birthday is only a day before my beloved's, and so I should be able to get along with (iQ) too.
But he torques my sensibilities.

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posted March 01, 2010 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
It is more of a frequency mismatch Lexx.
I usually avoid writing to you because you have a very different esoteric frequency from my path but this time I genuinely thought I saw an abundance block in you which you may have missed. But it is your Aura, only you know best. A few words of good intent from my side have produced a tad too many "IQ-bashing" lines. It means I was about 20-25 times wrong about the way you see abundance in life.

I must clarify this point:
"If a poor non payer ASKS for a reading, they are not going to get one as you deem them unworthy of it".
No, they will get the reading from me if:
1. They promise to give time, knowledge or money to someone else, in accordance with their wishes for what they value the reading.

2. Promise to pay that which is affordable be it one buck or five or fifty in the future.

If they promise and they do not keep it, the knowledge gets blocked. They have a karmic debt too but I release them from it for mutual benefit. If I dont forgive and forget, I may be pulled back for another Earth incarnation. I have done this for about $1500.00 worth of readings over the years.
What can others give me that God cannot? You may ask then why I accept donations for readings. My view then is that I am not God to be Infinitely Self Sufficient, and I have no right to refuse the donor the joy of giving.

If they do not want to promise nor pay, then I offer a basic reading for free so that they can then use their own inner guidance to maximize the chart's knowledge.

About poverty in general, a poor man is very rarely a bad man, but is poor because of keeping the doors of abundance closed through his thoughts being focused largely on fear and poverty. Rhetorical question, when was the last time any of us praised and felt genuinely happy for a rich bloke, thinking he must have done something great to achieve that wealth?

Anyway, these are my own observations inspired from the writings of wise people. I have no right to impose these views on anybody.

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posted March 01, 2010 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
iQ
Thank you for your reply and for finally clarifying some of what you meant.

However you do not know me well.
I stopped writing to you because you appeared (yes, while I feel, sincerely wanting to help)very preachy and closed minded, as if you knew what was best for me and your way was the best or only way.
And you did not know me well then, nor now either.

I do not feel I am blocking abundance.
No one wants to do such a stupid thing,

Yet you still seem to feel people block abundance and good fortune.

Well sometimes the luck of the draw just happens.
Maybe you are lucky and some are not.
I did not ask to be born with multiple birth defects, nor did I ask to be abused and raped as a child, nor to be a sickly child.
As an adult from a large family, college was something out of my grasp. So I worked a factory job, and became disabled after an accident.
I had two opportunities to marry millionaires.
However I did not marry for money, but for love. So we are both poor.
So, in your mind...what? I should have married one of the rich guys and not blocked a chance at abundance?

I really do not get how a person can block abundance unless they choose to be a bum and do nothing but drink and lay around, or some such thing.

Please explain!

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About poverty in general, a poor man is very rarely a bad man,
Thank you for saying that. Just as a rich man is not always a good man.
However I disagree with you on other things you wrote; and the following makes little sense to me.
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but is poor because of keeping the doors of abundance closed through his thoughts being focused largely on fear and poverty.
Huh??????????????
Now that makes no damn sense at all!
If he is a poor man, he struggles every moment and of course his thoughts would be of his plight.
However his thoughts keeping him poor?
I do not think so!
He is aware of his reality, and would grab the brass ring if it ever presented itself. But like myself, no one is going to give me what I need, no one can fix my body so I can have the energy to try to get ahead, or pay my medical, or whatever.

It suppose it is easy to preach that "incorrect" thoughts make people poor when one is not poor and may have never been poor.
Have you ever lived on the streets or in a box, eaten out of trash dumpsters, and wondered how you were going to survive?
Well I have.
So maybe crabbypatty is correct to a degree, because my poverty has made me be able to understand the struggling people planetwide and to want to help.
By the way, I help rich folks out too with their troubles.

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Rhetorical question, when was the last time any of us praised and felt genuinely happy for a rich bloke, thinking he must have done something great to achieve that wealth?
I HAVE AND DO!
I guess that makes me a freak or something.
Why should I not be happy for the rich fellow who came by his money honestly?
What has him being rich to do with me being poor? TWO SEPARATE THINGS,
AND THEREFORE I AM HAPPY FOR HIM! His wealth has nothing to do with my poverty.
He did not cause it.

I do indeed praise such rich folks!
In fact did that just several weeks ago!

So, that makes me wonder iQ about how you think even more.

So I can assume that you personally would not be happy for the rich fellow's abundance?
Again, the following makes no sense to me..

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Rhetorical question, when was the last time any of us praised and felt genuinely happy for a rich bloke, thinking he must have done something great to achieve that wealth?

You would not be happy for him, nor praise him...that does sound like what you said and meant.
LOL! Sounds like YOU may well have a block there 1Q.


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posted March 02, 2010 02:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
I praise the honest rich all the time, I asked the rhetorical question bcause many people who I observed to be poor spent a lot of emotional energy cursing the rich for their ills. Possibly you have met only those poor types who are poor only because of badluck, whereas I meet people who perfectly prove the Law of Attraction. As I said, our evolutionary paths are different.
You cannot comprehend my thinking/purpose/writing style because of the paths being different.

But you are right, I do have a block. If I point out what I think to be a block in anybody, then part of that block has to exist in me somewhere. This knolwedge is part of my path, that everyone is a reflection of our own Self.

Your meticulous posts have helped me to further introspect and I hope I can clear this block out for attracting even more abundance [which need not be just cash, it can be better health, more knolwedge] in life.

Cheers and best wishes!

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posted March 02, 2010 02:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message

I just think it's funny that this thread was about suicide and people are now discussing money.. lol I guess death and taxes go together like a horse and carriage

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How does one remove that block, IQ? Thank you.

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