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starkiss1
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posted February 23, 2010 03:53 PM
 
This is the chart of an older friend who died on Feb 6. Time of birth is unknown, I just put 12.00. We don't know if he did it himself or died of a suppressed illness . He was 63. There are reasons to believe it was a suicide. It's very upsetting as he was a great man. Can I ask you guys for any clues? It's difficult for me to judge right now,I feel very sad. Thank you.IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted February 23, 2010 09:34 PM
I'm not sure, neptune in or on the 8th often speaks of suicide and suicidal idealation. Often too mars afflicting sun and/or moon.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted February 23, 2010 11:27 PM
Not with a 10-foot pole!However, Neptune/Pisces + Scorpio/Pluto in H8 dynamic is right on ~ the experience is that death will bring peace/serenity, it's seen as the ultimate surrender. IP: Logged |
crabbypatty
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posted February 24, 2010 07:04 AM
If you ever wish to contact the spirit of your friend and come much closer to knowing the way he died and what his impressions were, I have an excellent medium in the UK for you to have a reading with, or an excellent medium in New York. The one in New York does readings over the phone.IP: Logged |
crabbypatty
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posted February 24, 2010 07:05 AM
Just know, StarKiss, that your friend's soul is now in peace, gently being enveloped in the white light of the Other Side. I am sorry for your loss, but you can take some comfort in his own peace.IP: Logged |
starkiss1
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posted February 24, 2010 10:38 AM
Hi, Crabby, thanx for your kind words, I wish I had your faith in the white light on the Other Side. What happens to a soul if he/she took their life? Do the get punished? Do they hang around as ghosts, scaring the day lights out of their relatives/family? Or they have to come back to a worse karma in the next life? Too many questions,  IP: Logged |
crabbypatty
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posted February 24, 2010 02:09 PM
I'm no authority but have read a lot on the topic. My husband would say, "That and a token would get you on the subway." So take it with a grain of salt.What I've read is that if a soul commits suicide, it then has to come back to the earth plane in another incarnation to learn those same painful lessons that caused him to "give up" the first time. Same lessons, different body. There is no eternal damnation, no punishment for the soul. It is comforted and soothed, and eventually, it is guided towards choosing a suitable body in which it can deal with the lessons, once again. I recommend Michael Newton's "Journey of Souls". Fascinating read. I think medium Concetta Bertoldi also might have addressed the topic in her book "Do Dead People Watch..." I'm at work now and working on deadline, so can't look up other books I've read which have addressed this issue, and my memory is not great these days, but if you're patient, I'll come up with some more reading material for you. Please don't be tortured by this. His soul is now Home. He probably feels sorry for YOU. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted February 24, 2010 02:38 PM
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Hi, Crabby, thanx for your kind words, I wish I had your faith in the white light on the Other Side.
I am still amazed at how many folks want to go to what I term, "the cosmic bug zapper". Oooh! Its soooo pretty! Zapp! Like moths to a flame...poof! quote:
What happens to a soul if he/she took their life? Do the get punished?
No, they do not get punished for ending their physical life in any incarnation. quote:
Do they hang around as ghosts, scaring the day lights out of their relatives/family?
Only if family will not forgive them and let them move on;
or the family drove them maliciously to commit suicide.(and eeek, do not tell anyone to go the zapper, the soul energy recycling bin, identity destroying white light! Ewwwww..."shudder") quote:
Or they have to come back to a worse karma in the next life?
Only if they did harm to others. Suicide is not a sin or a violation.
There is no punishment. One will return. quote:
Too many questions,
That is how one learns, but too many who are clueless about what happens after physical death, go about giving all kinds of silly to even very bad advice. And many charging for their services. Beware the rip off artists. Contacting those who are not in body is not good, if one wants to keep them around, trapping them, keeping them from moving on. Except for very rare cases, the spirits who free to move on, are not hanging around the living in body folks.
I could rant for hours on this....which is my other serious passion along with Lexigramming.
If you, feel/sense he has not moved on, (not some bogus reader)...
then when you feel him simply tell him he is loved and forgiven. Then let him go.
However, the majority of the time suicides move on very fast and easily....because unlike non suicides, they were prepared for death, and it was a choice, not coming like a thief in the night.
The exception is a murder/suicide...a totally different thing.
As to hauntings, most are the emotional residue left by both the living and the dead. Rarely is it actual spirits.
I have been researching all this, by experience, for many decades, not from what others have said or written which in my experience is mostly incorrect.
OK...
rant over.
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starkiss1
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posted February 24, 2010 02:48 PM
Thanks, Crabby. I am thinking along the same lines too, it's just the fact that we don't really know anything, do we? We are just guessing and hoping and deal with stuff the best we can do. I don't really torture myself with his death, I just feel sad. I am not a religious person, but just to say, the religion I belong to, Christian Orthodox, does not even allow to pray for suicide cases and in early ages they used to bury suicides at crossroads, as they were not allowed to be buried in cemeteries. Beyond my comprehension, that is. Would love to read a few books on that, so thank you again IP: Logged |
crabbypatty
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posted February 24, 2010 02:49 PM
My mediums are not rip off artists. They are legit. I would not steer you wrong. There are rip off artists out there, but I'm not recommending THEM.Anybody on this forum can feel free to contact me and I will give you anecdotes from my own readings. No harm has come to the souls who have come through in countless readings. That's because the souls who have come through are not ghosts. They're not trapped in between planes. My two cents. IP: Logged |
starkiss1
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posted February 24, 2010 02:54 PM
LEXX
Loved your rant. IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted February 24, 2010 02:58 PM
crabbypatty
Not saying your mediums are frauds or rip off artists....but the majority out there are fakes out to make money and profit from the grief, and or suffering, or neediness of others. If you feel you have found legit ones, I am happy for you.
As to what is a residue, a ghost, a spirit, a soul, a haunt, a phantom, a wraith...etc., there are too many definitions and opinions as to what is what, so not going into all that here and now.
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LEXX
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posted February 24, 2010 02:59 PM
starkiss1
Thank you!  PS.
Folks should be very skeptical of any medium or reader of any kind, who tells them exactly what they "want to hear", and tell too much that just sounds too "Hollywood" stereotypical, or has overtly religious themes. ------------------
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starkiss1
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posted February 24, 2010 03:08 PM
IQ
Hi, if you are reading this, can you give me your opinion? Would appreciate it, thanks IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted February 24, 2010 11:26 PM
Well you're gonna need the deceased to steer you in the right direction regarding "suicide or not." iQ, do you deal with those that have passed over? IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted February 25, 2010 06:24 AM
H Starkiss,
KAALI exactly opposed Saturn, both in Anaretic Degree in a packed 12th House undergoing a Saturn Transit = 99% Chances of Suicide.
These packed 12th Housers with an affliction to Ascendant, like Chiron conj Ascendant, they are top candidates for suicide during depressve transits. Pisces Mooners or Retro Mercury types are also susceptible when Neptune is in 12th.<< iQ, do you deal with those that have passed over? >>
Nope, but my grandfather dealt with that.
He helped crack a property dispute case after a ghost visit, where injustice was done to true property heir. He knew many white magic techniques, using Arabic formulae, and knew how to bind and expel demonic entities to the lower astral.
Yes, Kings Solomon's legends are all true. My dead uncles did visit me in dreams, one of them made it to a superb next incarnation, and wanted this info conveyed to his next of kin. The other two were in very pious upper dimensions carrying on from the pious life on Earth. I am on the same page as Lexx on many of these issues. The White Light theory is very likely to be an elaborate trap. Smart Souls should go into Violet or Golden Light regions. Suicide cant be eternal damnation. I have done it in one of my lifelines, and the cause was because of recalling another pastlifeline, could not take the guilt of the earlier lifeline errors.
This is why we should not mess with Kundalini, and prematurely raise it, imagine recalling all simulataneous lifelines at one go. I clearly recall the suicide, and what happened after that. There was a Council of Elders, with a very orthodox professor tone of voice, giving me a compassionate reprimand, and next life options. My next lifeline name was very clearly spelt out.
I did not feel my Higher Self around, He may have taken a vacation to avoid the embarassment... IP: Logged |
crabbypatty
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posted February 25, 2010 07:12 AM
Starkiss, I had made a typo error which I just caught, and have corrected. There is NO eternal damnation, I had meant to write, and no punishment for the soul who commits suicide.Anyway, IQ has much esoteric knowledge and so I'm glad he responded. What I had written was based on lots of reading. The mention of white light is very common. For clarification, though, neither my grandmother, my father, my half-brother nor my husband's mother (the 4 souls who have given me distinct and specific messages during readings) were suicides, so when I've had readings in the past few years this topic never came up. Some of the books I've read mention the Council of Elders, in particular the book by Newton, which I highly recommend to you and everyone else who hasn't read it. IP: Logged |
Predominantlyfire
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posted February 25, 2010 07:47 AM
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No, they do not get punished for ending their physical life in any incarnation.
Are you sure about that? Because the only reason i put up with this 8ullshit existence is because i'm scared of being punished for ending it manually myself. I'd love to do it. I'd do it this afternoon. But i honestly believe that if you do that you come back with all the karma you didn't pay off with probably a bit more on top. I'd love to know different so please do anthing you can to convince me. I've wanted to get out of here since about 9 years old and the yearning has never ceased, in fact increased. (that rhymed)IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted February 25, 2010 08:55 AM
Predominantlyfire
No punishment.
However if you have unfinished things, and bail,;
you will definitely have to repeat your trials next time.
Is that punishment?
No more than failing in school and having to repeat a grade because you did not learn your lessons the first time in that grade/class.
So as is "The School Of Life".
Please stay with us Predominantlyfire.{{{HUGS}}}
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In past lives I ended my life many times, and yes, I had to repeat my lessons in similar scenarios before moving on to a totally different type of incarnation.
My current incarnation has not been easy,
but despite a who lot of hardship, and pain, I still find reasons to stay this time.
It helps too to know why I am and have gone through certain things...well knowing the reasons of quite a bit of it at least.
Do I still contemplate suicide?
Yes.
However I know I do not want to repeat any of the bad things again, and there are still reasons to stay in body even if many are the little things, life can still be worth it and appreciated.
And, physical death comes to us all, so why rush the inevitable?And my first deep suicidal desire happened to me at age 9 also. I like your rhyme. ------------------
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iQ
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posted February 25, 2010 09:34 AM
Noah managed 950 years, whats 80 odd years PDF? I would not mind a 1000 year lifespan if I stay fit and healthy.
There are some extra karmic "taxes" to be paid if you commit suicide, plus all the unfinished lessons. Been there done that.
Not worth it.Do you live near Bridegend County, Wales by an chance? IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted February 25, 2010 09:39 AM
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<< iQ, do you deal with those that have passed over? >>
Nope, but my grandfather dealt with that.
My partner and I do.
Especially in cases involving witness protection, murders, and taken on things priests gave up on. We have been involved in many death watches too, helping a person and their family as the dying one is dying and as they die.
I t brings a lot of closure to all, the living and the newly passed on.
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Yes, Kings Solomon's legends are all true.
The crime a few years back of the woman who murdered a pregnant woman and cut the baby out and stole it, is a prime example. Those two women had been doing that to each other for thousands of years. It was not a tale.
Not going to elaborate, but suffice it to say, they have finally made peace with each other.
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I am on the same page as Lexx on many of these issues. The White Light theory is very likely to be an elaborate trap. Smart Souls should go into Violet or Golden Light regions.
Thank you for agreeing with me about the white light. It was/is indeed an elaborate trap. I term it as becoming "angel food", but that is not even close to what I discovered in 1998 in a rather intense and nearly fatal encounter investigating the behind the scenes of the
'cosmic bug zapper", moths to the flame", ie; the "white light".
My body temperature dropped to dangerously low, about 90 degrees and I begain having seizures as "they" the angelic beings attacked me.
Yes it really happened. There were witnesses
and my temperature was taken several times during the extremely deep immersion trance and OBE. Suffice it to say, that I who once loved the concept of pretty angels...do not trust or love or even like those creatures of deepest manipulative deception any longer.
As to going to any light...too vague...and can send a wrong suggestion to a soul. Best to say to them that they are loved and forgiven and to let go and then they can move on naturally, which by the way, the majority of souls do, WITHOUT BEING GIVEN DIRECTIONS AS TO WHERE TO GO.
If left alone, not interfered with, most folks will move on easily and naturally.
My research as to there being any kind of light has revealed only one type, a rainbow like spiraling as one moves from being tied to their old existence and moves on to the preparations for their learning before their next incarnation.
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we should not mess with Kundalini, and prematurely raise it
I agree. You and I have discussed this before on others threads, and you know that I know how to do that safely. However, it is not a thing that can be simply "played" with lightly or frivolously. It can indeed be dangerous.
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My next lifeline name was very clearly spelt out.
I did not feel my Higher Self around, He may have taken a vacation to avoid the embarassment...
LOL! You were simply ignoring him/her/it, and it let you go it alone, because that was what you needed at that time! quote:
This is why we should not mess with Kundalini, and prematurely raise it, imagine recalling all simulataneous lifelines at one go
Indeed, past life recall can be dangerous to some individuals.
Recalling all past lives all at once, highly unlikely.
However most cases of what seems to be split/multiple personalities and spirit possession are NOT a possession, not from any outside entity, , but a control of the physical form of the current incarnation by any number of any past life personal identity patterns coming to the fore, and literally taking over the body and physical brain/mind belonging to the personality/identity of the soul's current incarnation, partially or totally suppressing it.
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starkiss1
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posted February 25, 2010 06:35 PM
So, when does it all end then? I mean, if the soul cleared the bad karma and is free of it, does it comes back to a worry free life on earth with lots of money and happy life and good health or whatever have you, before it departs from earth for good? Or it does not come back at all? What if the soul did not clear the Karma but DOES NOT want to come back at all, despite what the Council of Elders say to it? As in Free Will? What happens then?
LEXX, IQ, Crabby? Any thoughts on this?
Thank you for your answers, guys, I really am thankful to you. IP: Logged |
crabbypatty
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posted February 25, 2010 07:51 PM
I will leave it to the resident experts to answer you, Star. I know what I think, but it's just my opinion. Books I enjoyed, although our experts may end up declaring them poppycock: Newton: Journey of Souls, Destiny of Souls Schwartz: Your Soul's Plan Many Lives, Many Masters: Brian Weiss
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vapor-lash
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posted February 25, 2010 07:59 PM
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being punished for ending it manually myself. I'd love to do it. I'd do it this afternoon.
Really? IP: Logged |
LEXX
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posted February 25, 2010 09:44 PM
Many Lives, Many Masters by Brian Weiss
is a pretty good read from what I remember.
Its been some 20 plus years though since I read it.As for your questions starkiss1;
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So, when does it all end then? I mean, if the soul cleared the bad karma and is free of it, does it comes back to a worry free life on earth with lots of money and happy life and good health or whatever have you, before it departs from earth for good?
It is up to the person upon returning as to how their life will be, by how they choose to live it, whether rich or poor or healthy or not.
The key is to keep learning and experiencing.
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Or it does not come back at all?
Until the Earth is no more, yes, all keep incarnating here or, if near another planet, (as in the future interplanetary space travelers) will incarnate there if a suitable compatible life form is available. quote:
i What if the soul did not clear the Karma but DOES NOT want to come back at all, despite what the Council of Elders say to it? As in Free Will? What happens then?
I do not believe in a council in the way new agers do.
Free will, yes.
However, it is a natural effect of it all for a soul to keep incarnating here, until Earth is no more.
There are alien souls incarnated here on Earth, but their home worlds or systems are long gone. They rested as they drifted until "touching" this living planet's field, which is very much like our own auras.
And so we will do also in time when our planet is no more.
Why would anyone choose an end to the journey of living and learning when infinity and eternity is their playground or arena?
That is illogical and a waste of soul energy, to stop the eternal journey.
Even a god like being knows it does not know everything.
A true god knows that there is no such thing in the scheme of infinity/eternity as an end to existence and learning. It knows omnipotence is a myth.
Staying in one state of being forever would be a state of stasis, of stagnation, and the natural forces of the multiverses will not allow that to happen.
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LEXX, IQ, Crabby? Any thoughts on this?
Thank you for your answers, guys, I really am thankful to you.
I gave some.
And a few quotes:
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“The road of life twists and turns and
no two directions are ever the same.
Yet our lessons come from the journey,
not the destination.”
Don Williams, Jr.“Focus on the journey, not the destination.
Joy is found not in finishing an activity
but in doing it.”
Greg Anderson “Every day is a journey,
and the journey itself is home.”
Matsuo Basho “Too often we are so preoccupied with the
destination, we forget the journey.”
Anonymous ~I intend to live, exist, and learn forever~
Lexx ~Why are you so in a hurry to end your journey when in the unlimited span of time and space,
you have not, by comparison, even begun to be?~
Lexx ~True wisdom is knowing that the state of omnipotency is unattainable by any singular soul~
Lexx ~Any entity claiming to be omnipotent is a vain fool~
Lexx
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