posted March 23, 2010 05:10 AM         

yes, that is totally true about Saturn in 8th house, and the fear of transformation / letting go.
It might even be enhanced due to the fact that Saturn is in Cancer and retograde.

posted March 23, 2010 05:38 AM         

Natal Leo Sun is also square natal Pluto in Scorpio (11th) as well. Because the 8th house is inclined to cut through the BS, I can't stand small talk and getting stuck in ruts. Transformation is the name of the game and it really is a continuous goal of mine to change my frame of mind every month.

I agree that the 8th house is still misinterpreted and I believe that connecting the 8th house with the Death card in tarot is more accurate than connecting it to the zodiac sign of Scorpio. There are aspects of the 8th that are very Uranian in nature and the Tarot Death card represents the age of Aquarius and regeneration.

posted March 23, 2010 06:04 AM         

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"All my life so far I have felt like a complete outsider in most social situations. Like I sense that most people don't get me"

Oooh man, I totally relate to this. I feel it's my 12th house moon though. That's very much to me the bars-on-the-windows-and-life-is-going-on-outside-while-i-am-inside-watching-it-all.

It's interesting how many of us relate to this statement, feeling isolated from another yet still feeling the same way!

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posted March 23, 2010 08:59 AM         

I don't feel like an outsider because I only hang around people as weird or weirder than myself.

This drove my Mother bonkers when I was a teenager, because I drug the strangest characters home, let them shower, and fed them.
She would just shake her head. But, I always felt what they felt, in a sense.

As far as small talk, I hate it!!!! I never talk on the phone, I text, because that gets straight to the issue of what do you or I want.
This has cost me friendships.
Some people WANT to call you and describe in detail the latest escapades on their soap operas, they really do.

People say to me alot, "How come when we talk it's always got to be about 'something' it can't be just the weather?"

posted March 23, 2010 09:04 AM         

VIG: Your personal description of being a radio antenna is like reading my own. When i get home i hide in my room and sort out my equilibrium (Libra Moon) and I'm just dead. I sit on my bed and just think or read or just stare at the computer without actually thinking. The Violet visualisation is a really good one, as well as the Gold and white light. That one makes me happy lol.

I could also relate to your boyfriend's experiences with having Saturn in the 8th, everything you said was spot on.

"Saturn in the Eighth House: The energy is focused on learning and discipline. These individuals are learning self-control and often repress their desires. Sexual tensions are high with this position and often these individuals are afraid of intimacy. They can overcome this fear by being vulnerable and letting go of the need to control their own emotions. This placement also shows a karmic wound in areas of sexuality, intimacy, relationships, death and inheritances. The positive manifestations of the eighth house may be blocked with this placement, because Saturn is the planet of karmic learning and this process is sometimes painful. The true lesson of this placement is to let go of the past and to learn to trust others and themselves."

Afraid of intimacy, a lot of my karma revolves around my sexuality and learning how to trust the intensity of it and how to exercise correctly and positively. Though this isn't positive, being an exotic dancer jolted that self-acceptance..i had to learn to be comfortable with myself and my sexuality onstage, naked in front of 100s of ppl.

posted March 23, 2010 09:18 AM         

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My 8th house is empty. Don't know why I wanted to put it in bold lettering... It is, though.

Cancer on the cusp, and the moon is conjunct DC in the 7th in Gemini, opposing Mercury and Uranus which are in 1st house Sagittarius.

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Actually... I do have Vertex in my 8th house. Completely forgot about that. I never really used hypothetical objects and non-physical points in interpretations. I do a very... basic astrology. Hey, if it works, don't try to fix it!

posted March 23, 2010 11:26 AM         

that was a most fascinating post of yours.
Got me thinking about transits to Vertex.

I`ve been having TR NN conjunct my Antivertex on 21 Capricorn in 2nd house (Sun/Moon-mp is also on 21 Cappy) - it brought me a great sense of oneness with myself.

TR Venus is actually squaring Vertex right now, but I don`t know if squares are significant.

Hmm, you mentioned BML. That made me check it in my chart. It seems that I will be having a BML return in the beginning of June. Tr BML and Tr Neptune exact conjunct natal BML.
Around the same time Tr Venus will be exact conjunct Vertex (and Eros) in 2nd house.

I am curous if I will feel any of it.

posted March 23, 2010 11:41 AM         

So I have always been a loner and I always felt darker than most people.. Lately though I have attracted other "loners" as it were. Most of my closest friends now see life through there Third Eye now as well and so I don't feel so alone.

But its all so true...I despise small talk, always have. I have learned how to really listen instead of talking so much in a conversation....you can learn so much more about someone and what's going on around you when your "over there".
They teach us this in acting...but I believe it is a superhuman quality that people don't give credit to. The ability to listen and connect you can almost hear what the Universe is saying to a person when you do...but that 8th house does help me cut to the chase very fast. I see to the heart of people always have....but in order to see clearly, first I had to see mine. I that's because my Sun and Mars are in Aries so I had to learn the proper place of the Ego and the purpose it serves before I could be accurate with it.

The whole purpose of transformation is getting back to the raw basics of our soul personality. The Energy of Pluto is like a tool....a scraper as it were....it helps you shed those outer layers and Re-member who you are.

I'm not gonna lie though, its been tough.
Hitting rock bottom is not easy....but necesary I think. Because that's when you learn exactly what you are made of.

posted March 23, 2010 01:06 PM         

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In the eighth/second house axis, destiny may arrive in the form of an erotic encounter or intense research (eighth house) perpetrated by a desire for pleasure, security or peace (second house).

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I forgot to mention that my vertex is located in the 8th house as well, the above is very true in my case. However I wouldn't call it destiny, more like a trigger to transform oneself with the vertex being activated.

Ami Ann, I understand what you mean. I believe I was much more in tune with the 8th house energies a few years ago than I am now, because my life is much more fast paced and stressful. I don't have time to really reflect and give myself tons of psychic space.

posted March 23, 2010 01:22 PM         

yes, I always believed, that it is the conjunctions that count, too.
So I am going to wait for Venus on my Vertex. lol

Anyway, I often think that Vertex is about the "triggering moment", somethings breaks through your "routine" and makes you see or feel things differently than before, and in some way you can`t go back to where you once have been; a part of you has transformed.
But that doesn`t mean that an encounter would lead to a lasting relationship. Sometimes the "fatedness" unfolds in just one moment alone, and that is all there is meant to be.

posted March 23, 2010 01:52 PM         

It could be my Mercury in taurus!

posted March 23, 2010 02:36 PM         

(About) My 8th House ruler... all of Virgo is in the 8th house but my 8th house begins in the last degrees of Leo and continues into about 10 degrees of Libra. Does that mean that Mercury is the ruler of my 8th? Or the Sun?

Either way, that would mean the ruler of my 8th is actually IN my 8th. I'm sure that has a name that I have heard but can't remember... depositor???

(Also) I'm wondering what it means when the ruler of your house is IN the house.

posted March 23, 2010 07:05 PM         

DK Foundation has some interesting stuff on their website. Here is their interpretation of eighth house placements. I guess I wasn’t really surprised the first time I read their website, and saw that the Sun in the 8th “indicates that the consciousness is opening up to compassion.”

The Eighth House
House of Scorpio Element: Water
Ruling Planet: Pluto and Mars
Area of Consciousness Relating
Emotional regeneration and the development of compassion

Sun in House 8
The Sun in the 8th House indicates that consciousness is opening up to compassion, and the agents in the process are emotional suffering and refinement of desire. This may be a relatively advanced stage of development because people with the Sun in the 8th House do have the feel of ‘old souls’. There is a gravity and maturity conferred by this placement, which is evident even in very young children.
The suffering experienced by 8th House people, is always at the hands of people with whom they have a close personal relationship, and although there may be physical cruelty also, it is at the emotional level that the pain is registered. The pain is nearly always that of rejection and the knowledge that the intensity of their feelings is neither understood nor valued.

People with this placement of the Sun tend to experience the transforming energy of Pluto, the ruling planet of this house, as a force used by others against them. They do not readily use it themselves even in retaliation. People born with the Sun in the 8th House are usually born to parents unable to or unwilling to recognize the child's needs. Usually they have problems of their own and expect the child to be supportive and understanding.

As the result of the early experience of having the emotional needs ignored the 8th House person grows up expecting little of the partners around whom he is prepared to build his life. In consequence his relationships are characterized by inequality. Whether it is emotional support, money or forgiveness - more than one 8th House person has discovered that he has married a person engaged in criminal activities - it is the person with the Sun in H8 doing the giving. The lack of reciprocity tends to be accepted without recrimination, and he will not easily give up on a relationship. People with the Sun in H8 demonstrate a great acceptance of things as they are and this becomes the source of the peace of mind they are capable of attaining in their later years. This acceptance may also account for their characteristic willingness to work with people whom society has condemned or rejected. A person with the Sun in the 8th House does not readily judge; he is more likely to respond to the humanness of the offender.

Eighth House people are found in the prison service, and as social workers, nurses and counselors. In helping others they are often able to make sense of and redeem their suffering.

This placement of the Sun tends to confer an interest in the astral plane and in channeling in particular.

Mercury
When Mercury is in the 8th House and the Sun in H7 or H8, perceptions and communication are highly sensitive to mood. This placement of Mercury confers intensity in conversation and in ease dealing with the emotional states of others. It is a common placement amongst bereavement counselors. When Mercury is in H8 and the Sun in H9, then spiritual solutions are frequently sought to emotional situations and there is likely to be a particular interest in channeled wisdom.

Venus
Venus in the 8th House indicates that the outworking of karma arising from emotional and sexual associations in other lifetimes is central to the current incarnation. This placement of Venus gives great depth to the emotions and makes a person capable of unconditional and unreciprocated love. People with Venus in H8 tend not to respond to physical attraction alone and frequently have long periods of celibacy. The attraction is to people who embody the energies their souls remember and retain a yearning for. There is no guarantee that the other party experiences the same sense of yearning or can match the intensity of the Venusian's feelings. It is the inequality of the situations which people with Venus in H8 are drawn which make them so prone to abusive treatment. Yet despite the lack of emotional reciprocity people with Venus in H8 frequently benefit from legacies

Mars
When Mars is in the 8th House a person’s will is constrained by the wishes of those with whom he has a relationship, be they family, lovers or business associates. This placement is an indication of karma incurred by selfish and self-interested behaviour. Although the constraint may take the form of physical violence, it is more likely to be emotional pressure, which the person with Mars in H8 feels unable to withstand. Owing to the difficulty experienced in acting in support of his own interests this placement of Mars disadvantages a person in any disputatious situation, especially when he knows the adversaries.

Jupiter
With Jupiter in the 8th House a person experiences little difficulty in opening up to and trusting others. This placement of Jupiter is favourable for partnership matters of all kinds, including those of inheritance, although in the matter of intimate relationships, Jupiter in H8 is more likely to have a number of associations of significance rather than one long lasting commitment.

Saturn
Saturn in the 8thI House indicates a karma arising from an insufficiently responsible attitude to the well being of partners or close associates. The sign, which Saturn occupies, together with the sign and house placement of the Moon will reveal the reality, which underpinned this lack of regard. People with Saturn in H8 are made to feel acutely vulnerable in situations of emotional and sexual intimacy and they are inclined to attract controlling, even bullying partners who remind them of their lack of responsibility. Co-dependent relationships which protract the cruelty and abuse are very common with this placement.
This placement of Saturn can make the lower astral plane very intrusive in a person's life through nightmares and even poltergeist experience.

Uranus
With Uranus in the 8th House there is a developmental need to be freed up from emotional dependency, and when this placement is present in a chart it frequently means the loss of a loved one early in life. Whatever the scenario, emotional security will be denied. In adult life there is a tendency for partners to die, to leave, or to make themselves emotionally inaccessible, thereby forcing the Uranian onto his own resources. Uranus in H8 produces a fascination for the astral plane, most commonly in the power-conferring forms of witchcraft and magic.

Neptune
Neptune in the 8th House gives an attunement to the emotional states of others and gives understanding and compassion. Mediumistic ability is often present with this placement, although Neptune, unlike Uranus, is more likely to be concerned with the astral plane as a source of healing and instruction rather than power.

Pluto
When Pluto is in the 8th House the soul is engaged in the transformation of emotional energies, in ‘penetrating the darkness of himself to take out the light’ (Samael Aun Weor). This process in the intensity, which it is given by Pluto in H8, may go on for many lifetimes and requires those with this placement to face the Human Shadow manifesting both through self and other. Pluto in the 8th House tends to create a fascination for taboo subjects and psychotic people. The Plutonian himself may be the victim of compulsions and obsessions (his own or those of others) and intrusions from the lower astral. Nightmares and visitations are common with this placement. The astral plane may be used purposefully as a source of power, in which case the interest will be in witchcraft and magic, which may include the Black Arts. In personal relationships a person with Pluto in the 8th House transforms the lives of his partners but in circumstances usually viewed as destructive by all concerned. Violence, whether physical, emotional or sexual, is common when Pluto is in H8, including within the relationship with one or both parents.

Moon
The Moon in the 8th House is an indication that in past lives the emotional needs of others were denied as a result of an overly self-centered, materialistic, or cerebral reality. The sign of the Moon will indicate which. People with the Moon in 8th House are commonly born to parents who cannot function at an emotional level. With other planetary factors, this placement of the Moon can indicate the loss of a parent early in life in which the child is burdened by the bereaved parent’s emotional needs. Although acutely sensitive to the emotional states of others, people with the Moon in H8, who have had little practice in emotional expression early in their lives, tend to be inhibited and emotionally insecure in adult life. Unlike the Sun in this House, the Moon in H8 does not feel at ease in emotionally charged situations and although he may drive his own ill-defined needs underground and focus on those of partners and associates, he is more likely to attempt to evade emotional confrontation by concentrating on impersonal, outer-directed activities and go through life with his own emotional needs unrecognised and unacknowledged.

AUTHOR’S NOTE: Like the other Water houses, the 8th house is not well understood. Some of astrology's bleakest commentaries have the 8th House as their subject and indeed, without a belief system which makes sense of suffering and the transformative function of life on Earth, then the experiences manifested by the 8th House seem very unfortunate indeed. Even so there are compensations available to people with emphasised 8th House and these are usually evident in their middle years. They are rarely short of friends and when Venus and Jupiter are present there is the possibility of inheritances given in acknowledgement of their supportiveness.

In terms of spiritual development the compensations for 8th House experiences are very considerable. It is a karmic clearinghouse, which offers many opportunities for redressing imbalances and a certain protection against creating others. When the inner planets are working through the 8th House, they are rarely used in support of selfish interest. The outer planets, however, are a very different matter and only the pattern of the chart as whole will indicate how a person is likely to use the psychic power made available to him, by these planets.

Traditionally, the 8th House is the house of Death. Since the discovery of Pluto it seems, in natal astrology at least, that the deaths, which occur as a result of planets in H8, are likely to take place at an emotional rather than a physical level. It should be noted though that although planets in H8 may not weaken the constitution they can create an attraction to situations which are life threatening. This is especially true of Pluto.

http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/Articles1.htm

posted March 31, 2010 08:30 AM         

I,m not sure what that means but I feel very scorpionic in my relationships.
(I have a sun,mercury- pluto opo to)

I also have Pluto inconj Venus from 3 house

My boy friend has his Sun Mars and Mercury in his 8 house in Libra and pluto in his MC.