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belgz
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posted May 22, 2010 02:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There was a topic recently about which sign was more freedom loving and independant and whether it was Sag or Aquarius.

I as a cancerian am probably the most independant and freedom loving person I know. I am in no way tradtional and have always rebelled and never cared what other people thought. I believe all of us on here are uranian in some way due to our astrology abilities and unique different approach to life. To us it may seem normal but to others we study something thats very odd and unusual.

Since I dont have any personal planets in Sag or Aqua I dont understand where my love of freedom comes from. Are they the only planets associated with independance and freedom?

Im also very much like a Sag with my love of travel, I have been travelling on my own since I was 15(That isnt typical cancer behaviour) and I am 26 now and still don't know a month Ive sat still and not went on a short distance or long distance trip somewhere for the last 10 years. I make my own money and have lived away from my parents house since 14. I look after myself even th,ough I came from a wealthy family I do not answer to anyone nor do I listen to what others tell me because I have a mind of my own.

I've rebelled against my family all my life and our Turkish and German culture and traditions and being muslim I dont act it either.

My relationship has been an open one for 10 years during this time I have dated others because I dont believe in being 100% faithful till I've committed through marriage. I was willing to have a child out of wedlock and even took an unconventional approach in doing so. I don't answer to anyone at the end of the day and I am very free because I choose to be. I can't be any other way. All my friends are unusual from all different cultures/races and I lots of people everywhere, some being gay, some transexual, some nuns, some covered up muslims, some weirdos and I get along with everyone. I'm very humanitarian myself and have been involved with 3 unions in the banking industry I have worked in. I'm even a big fan of Che Guevara and have all his books and movies on revolution. I believe in freedom and believe everyone should be that way.

Honestly Aquarius and Sagitarius don't have **** on me when it comes to TRAVEL, INDEPENDANCE AND FREEDOM. Just because you act all aloof and cold DOES NOT MAKE YOU independant and free. You think it more than you act it. How many Sag or Aquas do you know that travel the world all the time? How many do you know that are doing something for freedom or a part of an act or organisation against surpression and other means of taking ones freedom?

I don't know any! My dad went to jail with his brothers when they were younger in an attempt to fight against Turkeys religious leaders from making Turkey a muslim covered up country. That's what I call fighting for ones freedom, thats what I call being Aquarian and humanitarian. Being aquarian also means not littering and looking after your environment and a love of humans and animals. I have donated thousands to poor people every time I have been in overseas and I have probably given just as much to the RSPCA.

I come from a Libra father a Gemini mother and an Aquarius brother. Im the only odd one out being a water sign. My brother the aquarius is afraid of leaving Australia and he has mars in Sag as well. He left once to Thailand and has thrown away his passport since. He lives with my mum still and hes 21. In my eyes that's DEPENDANT type behaviour.

So I don't think Aquarius or Sag sun signs are what they're made out to be....

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posted May 22, 2010 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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How many do you know that are doing something for freedom or a part of an act or organisation against surpression and other means of taking ones freedom?

Me.

And honestly this post feels like an attack on Aquas/Sags.

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posted May 22, 2010 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lionseye***     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
belgz, I would LOVE to see your birthchart, and I hope you know your birth time too. I really think the planets Uranus & Jupiter play leading roles somehow.

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posted May 22, 2010 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The other post that Belgz posted has her birth chart. She has Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Sag.

TA-DA!

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belgz
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posted May 22, 2010 02:42 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL no! I was referring to this thread...
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204303.html

It's not an attack on them but personally I don't feel they are as independant and free as ASTROLOGY makes them out to be.

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posted May 22, 2010 02:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my chart... and see im all water.


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posted May 22, 2010 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, no one is the walking stereotype of their Sun Sign, unless it just so happens that their Sun Signs are strong in their charts because of stelliums, house rulers and dispositors.

I heavily identify with Aqua and Sag descriptions (I'm an Aqua Sun), but that's because my Chart Ruler is in Aqua, the rulers of my Sun are in Sag and I have a 9th house Sun and Mercury, as well as an 11th house Jupiter with a Sag Mars (and I've said all that repeatedly lol). So, I adore freedom, I reject tradition for the sake of tradition, and I am politically active.

I know another Aqua and he is more Cap like than anything, and that's because of things going on his chart. But he is Aquarian in other ways, such as being incredibly analytical, has a rebellious spirit and quite contrarian. Sun Signs are not the be all and end all, and we all know this. I have a Cap friend and an Aries friend and they are extremely philosophical: they have 9th house Suns, like me. We sit around for hours talking about politics, ethics and morality. My boyfriend has a Cancer stellium and he can be extremely traditional and home oriented, but he loves art and is pretty artistic himself. He has Venus conjunct Mars in his 3rd house in Leo. Another Cancer I know loves to travel (has been to more places than anyone else I know) and is fluent in Spanish and speaks some French. She is an Aqua Rising with Saturn and Uranus in Sag and her MC ruler in her 9th.

And Belgz, you have 3 planets in water which is the same number of planets you have in air, and a whopping 4 planets in fire. So no, you're not all water.

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posted May 22, 2010 03:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's very rare to find an Aquarius or Sag that has these characteristics yet we always identify them with these qualities they don't possess.

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posted May 22, 2010 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're all also really young, which would indicate a greater 'need for freedom'. Not discounting it, just saying you'll get tired after a while
My double Aqua mother with a Venus/Uranus square turned all mellow and chill once she turned 35. Before that - not a chance. In fact the trait seems to run in the females of the family....from my grandmother to my mother, to myself...we all have hard Uranus aspects to the Moon or Venus.

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posted May 22, 2010 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Belgz, I agree with your posts btw

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posted May 22, 2010 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL!

Some Sag's can no longer travel because they are spending all their travel cash on thier children. But that doesn't mean they don't travel in other ways.

Find me a Sag that doesn't travel in their heads and I'll be shocked!

I have 3 very close friends that are homeless, all Sag suns.
If that isn't the epitomy of freedom, I don't know what is.
They are perfectly intelligent and physically able to work, but they choose the gypsy lifestyle that appeals to most Sag influenced people.
Since they don't have kids or family obligations, they just move around sleeping here and there, everything they own in a backback.
This would of been me, probably had I not had children.

And it does sound Sag/Aqua bashing to me too, but, best thing about being a Sag, is that we don't mind being bashed, in fact, we find it quite amusing.

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belgz
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posted May 22, 2010 04:37 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exactly my point at Aqua and Sag being "free" in their minds rather than doing anything about it.

LOL @ sign bashing ...and NO I'm simply getting a point accross but I don't care if anyone gets offended I already explained I didn't mean it in that way and that I was simply going off by peoples opinions on another thread and if anything Im saying "I" myself have these qualities so how the am I mocking them?

I love Aquarius and Sag they are my fav signs. But now you guys are acting needy and needing reassurance you are loved Is this enough?

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posted May 22, 2010 04:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually no I didn't mean that because I do care if anyone gets offended cause I don't want anyone to..

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belgz
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posted May 22, 2010 04:45 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally feel suffocated if someone smothers me. The one I lasted all these years with has an Aqua moon and sun in 11th... and uranus in 5th!

I love this signs qualities if you have them. I can't be around someone for too long. In fact I have problems even seeing the same friend every day. Even my friends being clingy will disturb me and make me run.

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posted May 22, 2010 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Belgz,

I hate to be the bearer of this lil insight but FREEDOM IS A STATE OF MIND!!!

Aquarius and Sagittarius have freedom as a mindset

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posted May 22, 2010 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Belgz
"I as a cancerian am probably the most independant and freedom loving person I know. I am in no way tradtional and have always rebelled and never cared what other people thought. I believe all of us on here are uranian in some way due to our astrology abilities and unique different approach to life. To us it may seem normal but to others we study something thats very odd and unusual".

your 5 house ruler are uranus and your uranus in Sag and for me that explain one part of it...

I cant believe you do anything without your feelings in your life because all in watersign.

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posted May 22, 2010 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've moon,venus, NN, mars in house 11, My house 7 ruler are uranus, my hose 5 ruler jupiter..

For me I feel me free also even if I not want to bee free. Sometimes I feel the life want me to be free and change everything in some way so I still be free

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posted May 22, 2010 05:17 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Popcorn,

I do deal alot with my emotions, actually more my mood swings. Cancer sun just makes me moody. I'm not very kissy touchy though my ex who is a Taurus always complains that I don't give hugs or kisses and when he comes near me I always tell him to P*** off

When it comes to my cat I can't get enough of her though. I kiss her paws and her nose all day, I chase her around asking her nicely for hugs but she's never up for it.

Even when someone cries I feel like running away or hanging up the phone. Not because I don't feel bad but because I don't know what to say or do about it. I really hate it when people cry.

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posted May 22, 2010 05:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
" mood swings" Belgz you are a gemini moon as me... I can't beleve another moon sign could be more exact in the description

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posted May 22, 2010 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So true... my bro is gemini moon and his mood swings are something else

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posted May 22, 2010 05:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can change moods/opinions before I even finish my sentence its crazy lol

You know I think I would be a normal person if I didn't have a Gemini moon

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posted May 22, 2010 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NORMAL?

Hey i don't have gemini moon and i'm nowhere near normal!

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posted May 22, 2010 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lehia2     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You just described me to a tee. No personal planets in Aquarious or Sagg. LOVE LOVE LOVE Freedom and have been always very independant..btw I'm a cancer too.
You've made up my mind, I'm about to open a topic about this and the Midheaven.

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posted May 22, 2010 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it depends on what one means by freedom. You have the moon and chiron in Gemini, which could mean the absolute need for your identity seperate from another human being (I have the Venus in Gemini placement...plus Moon in Virgo.... so I know how this plays out). The idea of two people merging into one co-dependent entity probably freaks you out, no?

But in the end, I'm also a Cancerian too and I think that plays a factor too. We're Cardinal so we don't well when our autonomy suffers, and therefore we prefer to be self sufficient (or atleast half in my case, I have a job, go to school, and pay for most of my own sh*t... but I still live with mother). We also need space to retreat and reflect on things. When I'm in a bad mood, I don't like being bugged to come do this with someone, or come do that....it's irritating to me when my space isn't respected like that.


And actually, I find my friend, who is a Sag, to be pretty needy and dependant. She doesn't feel bad about depending on her boyfriend or exes for money and she loses her own identity in relationships. And when they're not there for her, she needs me to be around like 24-7. I blame her Venus in Scorpio.

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posted May 22, 2010 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AquariusMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
people who really do have freedom are people who are not married and no children.

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