posted June 04, 2010 08:47 AM            

Thank you so much for your fabulous message to me. You make my heart do jumping-jacks.

I think that my problem lies in the fact that, with the way my planets are distributed, when one part of me does something, several others parts have to chime in and give their two cents. Leo Sun says be giving, and Scorpio ASC reminds me of the last time I gave. But i'm growing. Spiritually. And advice that I come by just aids in that transformation.

posted June 04, 2010 02:40 PM            

Orgy it is. The entire thread.

posted June 04, 2010 02:44 PM            

I stopped posting my chart here about a year ago. I'm happy to mention details about my chart. I'm just not comfortable with having the whole enchilada up here. I would attribute my uber privacy to my Sco Asc, but you other Sco Asc ladies are sane in this regard. So it must be my own personal nuttines.

My main stuff: x

I think all those squares and inner conflicts you have are chiseling you into something sublime - the best of all those energies.

I remember part of your grand cross is your Aqua Moon, right? I think that's a major player in keeping you so balanced even in the midst of so much inner conflict.

Leo says "give" - be! - and Sco (and Cancer) say "only if it's safe." And it makes sense they'd be self-protective. They know how much it will hurt. They should know, since they're the ones contributing to it hurting so badly. They have you loving from a place so deep and sincere. But that genius Aqua Moon of yours can say that how someone else responds to your love is their business. Aqua can grant you the room to be your true self, regardless of how the other person responds.

posted June 04, 2010 04:00 PM            

Can we hold the event at your place by the water? I've always wanted to visit South Africa.

Well, I'm a Sag. Truth be told, I've always wanted to visit many places. But I was supposed to go to SA years ago. Things fell through, so I feel like that country in particular is on my "To do" list. As are you.

posted June 04, 2010 07:44 PM            

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Unmoved --

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Basically, I am not good or bad; I am both good and bad. If I have the time and boredom to be vengeful, I probably can do it quite well, but I am generally too self-involved to spend so much thought on a person to carry out revenge.

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Love it! I always say that.. I'm not good or bad - we're all f-ed up to different extents.

I can relate to this.

For the Scorpio Moon lovers --
I'll happily join your club!

I love Moon-Mercury-Venus-Mars in Scorpio and AC in Scorpio.

Lonake --

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If you do get involved with the Scorpio (any placement) and get stung most likely (99%) you weren't reading the signs. My experience. They're lil lambs underneath

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I agree! I see Scorpio placements as similar to Cancer in the sense that they are very sensitive and very emotional -- "lambs" (I could be biased because my chart is earthy which is colder). Scorpio has a huge sting but they also self harm horribly. I end up counseling these people - mainly the Moon and Venus in Scorpio - but other placements also. Maybe it is my Pluto (usually the ones I attract make conjunctions to my Pluto).

Ami -

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I was not aware that the SIGN of Pluto effected HOW Pluto would be expressed.

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IMO The position of Pluto is very significant for people with Scorpio placements. I think it changes the behaviour somewhat.
I know Virgo Plutos, Libra Plutos and Scorpio Plutos.. and they are slightly different.

In particular, people with Scorpio Pluto - in my generation are definitely the most emotional of the bunch.

Jane --

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As far as vengeance goes, I find that taking away my personal interest in them hurts people enough. That's enough "justice" for me. I don't need to annihilate them on top of that.

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lol Jane - I do this as well - Pluto trine AC?
Or maybe it's my Cancer AC.

Coffee -

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Basic black and white thinking says Libra can be the opposite of Aries (Aries is a "good" sign)

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Coffee you are the first person in the history of Astrology who I have seen describe Aries as a "good" sign in contrast to Libra.

Maybe I missed something.

That's hilarious!

Meta,

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I will say that I do have a history of completely cutting people out of my life.

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So do I...
Sometimes when you cut someone out, it can be *for* spiritual growth reasons, not the opposite.

posted June 04, 2010 08:33 PM            

Regarding Lara's comments, yes you should not cross a Scorpio Rising, but I think it is really harsh to say that Scorpio Risers are the devil incarnate, but I do agree that 'no Scorpio Riser is a marshmallow'.

Like when I read a couple of comments that talked about not holding grudges and wanting to 'like' everything...I just don’t understand that. I have always felt the Scorpio Rising energy as very intense. I DO NOT forget when someone has wronged me. If it was accidental, if we're friends, or it wasn’t intentional - things like that - I'll forgive. Otherwise though, I do not forget. Even if I forgive, that person has certainly lost some amount of trust. And I'm one of those people who will bring up something from a long time ago. Like if someone wronged me before, and I forgive them, they're just on a 'tighter leash' now. But once they do something else, we get in some argument or something, I reserve the right to bring up said incident (it speaks towards that person's character) - only if the incident is related of course.

Revenge though is not something that I really think about. I'm really competitive, and I simply cut them out of my life. Basically you don’t concern me anymore. Of course though, there are times when I might find myself around this person who has wronged me and instead of completely ignoring them, I make it perfectly clear my disdain for them (and THAT I don’t like because that’s giving them a control over you).

Anyway, Scorpio Risers definitely have that good/evil line. I consider myself to be a pretty good person. Not at all saying I'm perfect, I am very aware of my flaws - I am very introspective. I have no problem with my 'dark side' though - I actually like it. A little off the subject, but I like to say that my favorite superhero is Batman (yeah he didn’t have any special powers or anything). You know Superman is cool because he's well Super Man! with Super powers but he's just too squeaky clean. Batman though seems a little rough around the edges - HE has a Dark Side and I love that. Not saying I want a real a**hole but I can’t be around complete and utter sweetness all the time either. Let's be real. Anyway, I certainly don’t think I'm evil in any way. Maybe if I did deliberately try to hurt someone. But I don’t think/act that way. I just feel a drive to do better (while cutting them out of my life of course).

I think you really have to examine everything (aspects/house placements and such) before coming to a complete conclusion on the person or rather a whole group of people.

I agree with a lot of the comments posted by people above. I too have
Mars in Cancer and Pluto in Libra which like Ami said, maybe the Pluto in Libra makes the person more non-confrontational - I don’t start stuff with people, but if they start with me - It’s On!
I also have Chiron in the 7th house. However...I have Mars square both Saturn & Pluto which are conjunct (in the 12th). My Moon in Taurus also opposes that conjunction.

To Ami, I still don’t get how you have so much trouble with your Mars in Cancer! I remember you had a thread on here about it before and you mentioned something about yours in aspect to Neptune or something. I'm not picking on you, by the way, it’s just funny to me. Because we both have that and I don’t attribute any problems to it, but again I think it’s all about the aspects.

posted June 05, 2010 04:59 PM            

...the alcoholic beverage.

posted June 06, 2010 02:32 PM            

If you're looking for trouble
You came to the right place
If you're looking for trouble
Just look right in my face
I was born standing up
And talking back
My daddy was a green-eyed mountain jack

Because I'm evil baby, my middle name is misery
Yes I'm evil, so don't you mess around with me

I've never looked for trouble
But I've never ran
I don't take no orders
From no kind of man
I'm only made out
Of flesh, blood and bone
But if you're gonna start a rumble
Don't you try it all alone

posted June 10, 2010 08:23 AM            

Ami

posted June 10, 2010 03:29 PM            

Sco/Cancer intuition is valuable. When it says "This isn't the right time," it's usually right.

It's just that for me, I was holding back when I didn't need to anymore. I killed my first serious relationship because of that and almost lost my current one.

Self-preservation is valuable but, I had to ask myself, at what cost? Am I even preserving my "self" if I'm not letting it fully out? Or am I just avoiding experiencing the pain that comes with being myself?

That part of myself that would chastise me when the risk I was taking bit me in the ass needed to be talked back to. I needed to tell it that the pain I'd experience from holding back is just as bad, if not worse, than the pain from taking a chance and losing.

But that's me!

About you, it hurt me to see you hating something heroic in yourself. It reminded me of the bitterness I used to direct towards myself and it hurt me to know that you feel that way towards yourself.

Unmoved -

You sooo don't need to get me drunk.

teasel -

I'm sorry you're hurting. Your considerate update is so adorable I could kiss you.

Ami -

Me too! That's when I developed. I also would try to make myself appear smaller. At first I went the undershirt route too, but then I switched to sports bras. I was a B by the end of 4th grade, then went through another growth spurt during 10th grade to a C.