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Topic: Is The ASC Influence As Strong As Planets?
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Ami Ann
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posted June 12, 2010 07:04 AM
 
What do you think?
The ASC is not an actual physical entity as a planet is.
In your personality---Is the ASC as strong as your other planets.
I assume the Sun and moon would be first.
Often, they say the ASC is third in strength.
What do you think?
I am thinking that the ASC is not as strong as planets.
I don't feel as attached to my ASC as I do my planets, I think. Ami
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DD
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posted June 12, 2010 07:15 AM
Actually it is the most personal point in your chart. It is the ASC that decides in what houses your planets fall.
So yes, the ASC is equally strong, just in a different way I guess.
Whereas the planets are more active and expressive the ASC is more receptive. It is just there.
It is your anchor into this reality.
It is your instinctual approach to the world, but interestingly we are not aware of the things that are closest to us, our instincts, and thus some people do not identify with their ASC`s, even though from the outside they often can be seen very clearly.
It`s like it is so deeply integrated inside of us, that we can`t see it anymore.
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Ami Ann
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posted June 12, 2010 07:18 AM
Wow, DD,very profound answer. I don't FEEL like a Scorpio which is my ASC.
Perhaps, I appear like one lol. Ami IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted June 12, 2010 07:22 AM
hmmm I would say no.. for me.People generally *see* my ascendant and get the wrong idea.. they see me as more sensitive than I actually am. Cancer Ac -- Aries Sun. :edit: People who know the real me.. never get confused. It's only people who don't know me well. IP: Logged |
bonadea33
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posted June 12, 2010 07:40 AM
In my case is ASC very important.
It is very strong as I have all possible aspects to my ASC, me as a person:Chiron 0 ASC
Juno 0 ASC
Jupiter 0 ASC
Neptune 0 ASC
Mercury 180 ASC
Moon 150 ASC
Pluto 60 ASC
Uranus 120 ASC Venus 135 ASC (I don't like it)
Mars Quintile ASC. No wonder that all happened to me: good (less) and bad (more). B. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 12, 2010 07:46 AM
What is your ASC, B?
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Ami Ann
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posted June 12, 2010 07:49 AM
I can see what you mean, Vapor.Hope it is OK if I call you that--not Dynamite lol.
You have the Cancer first impression and the Aries strength hiding underneath  .
My question was do you FEEL more Aries or more Cancer--if you can say? Ami IP: Logged |
bonadea33
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posted June 12, 2010 07:54 AM
Ami,I am Libra ASC and I like very much Scorpio ASC (opposite to my Taurus Sun). B. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 12, 2010 08:00 AM
You seem like a Libra ASC, B. I was trying to think of what I thought your ASC would be before you said it.
You feel harmonious, gracious and balanced.
My Libra Sun guitar teacher is like that. When he comes in my door--it is like goodness and kindness came in lol. Ami IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted June 12, 2010 08:06 AM
hmmm I only feel Aries-Capricorn at the end of the day.. and some Neptune influence. Everything else is details.
lol
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Ami Ann
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posted June 12, 2010 08:10 AM
Yes, Vapor. That was my theory .I do not FEEL like a Scorpio.
I feel like my sun--Gemini or my moon--Cancer.
However,on LL, *I* felt YOU as a water sign.I thought it was Pisces cuz you write like a Pisces--using cute words and pictures lol.
Perhaps--other people can feel/see our ASC more than WE--ourselves can see or feel it.
That is my working theory but would love to hear input on it from others.
Ami
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bonadea33
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posted June 12, 2010 08:27 AM
Ami,Thank you for comment. Is your guitar teacher looking charming or is only just a serious teacher? Bobbie IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 12, 2010 08:33 AM
B, He has sun conjunct Pluto in the 8th house so he has a Scorpio feel ,too.
His singing and playing have deep sensitivity.He was the Quarterback on his High School football team so he has big shoulders and football player physique.
Woman love the toughness next to the sensitivity lol. When he plays with his band--he has to beat the girls off with a stick
He complains about it---such worries
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DD
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posted June 12, 2010 09:20 AM
Ami Ann,"Perhaps--other people can feel/see our ASC more than WE--ourselves can see or feel it." That is what I was saying, yes.
But don`t be mistaken, that just because you don`t FEEL your ASC, it`s not there.
It is very much a part of your package, but it`s so funny that usually other people can see that part of ourselves so much easier than we can. I never FELT my Mars conjunct ASC, yet it`s often obvious to people around me, which surprised me at first.
I am not completely sure if you can feel the signplacement as strongly as aspects of other planets though. It is hard to say in my case as not only my ASC is in Sagittarius, but Jupiter squares it and I have a Stellium in Sagittarius.
I think that the signplacement of housecusps (and at the end of the day ASC is one) are probably secondary to their ruler-aspects or aspects to that cusp (tight aspects) or even planets in that house. But of course the whole first house is an instinctive one. So often people do not feel their planets in 1st house either (or they are feeling them very strongly - it seems to be an either-or thing).
but that doesn`t mean they are not there. I am convinced you cannot exhibit something that is not at least to a certain degree a part of yourself. You can`t be something you are not. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted June 12, 2010 09:42 AM
I don't feel much attachment to my Capricorn ASC ,internally speaking, but I am mostly in agreement with DD's explanation. Even though it says nothing about who I am, it is how I instinctively approach the 'unknown' (eg. new people, new situations, crowds). It's opposed my Sun too by 4 degrees which has created alot of problems for me. People who don't know me well get confused. People who were thought to know me, didn't really know me at all. IP: Logged |
Virgo-AriesArtist
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posted June 12, 2010 10:14 AM
I think the Ascendant can totally change the "stereotypical" Sun sign inclinations. I speak from my experience as I am a Virgo Sun, but with an Aries Rising. My first instinct is to plow forward and jump head-first into a situation so as to assess it most accurately. That is very un-Virgo like and I have to rein myself in sometimes with logic, so I don't upset too many apple carts, per se. I do have two planets in Leo (Moon and Venus) and the only other fire in my chart is the Sagittarius Uranus in the 9th house, so I chalk the energy bursts off to my Ascendant.I'm of a firm belief that the Sun sign, Moon sign, and Ascendant work in tandem to establish our image to the rest of the world, each kicking in stronger when the occasion arises. I can look at my fiance, a Sun sign Gemini with a Cancer Rising and he's a *very* unusual Gemini. He's stayed with one company for 3.5 years, very sensitive and moody, loves routine and stability and so forth. He does have two planets in Taurus (Mercury and Venus) and Aries Moon to boot, so perhaps contribute. ------------------
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Ami Ann
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posted June 12, 2010 10:40 AM
What is your Sun,again,Benedict?
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raspberri
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posted June 12, 2010 01:14 PM
With me, my ASC is really important, but more on a appearance level. I think it matters because we care about how we look everyday. It may be a sort of superficial characteristic, but we never the less express the qualities of the ASC when we are trying to look good and feel our best. It's all about the appearance and how people see you. I met someone who was a Cancer ASC and I sort of thought he was too touchy and not dignified enough for some reason. But after I got to know him, his Leo Sun started to bring me in and I became attracted to him.He turned out to be a very positive and impressive person. IP: Logged |
ariescancer
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posted June 12, 2010 01:17 PM
I come out as Sun in Aries, my As in Cancer I try to hide, too sensitive, when I was younger my As was showing much more I was very shy, I am very happy now that my Aries is stronger with Mars and Venus in Aries, the Moon helps a lot in Sag I say wathever is in my mind.IP: Logged |
comica23
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posted June 12, 2010 01:44 PM
I think that AC is like a shell/funnel for the celestial objects' energies in the chart. So I'm still Aries Sun and Aries Moon and etc., but in the overall I can be my Virgo AC. Also, with strangers I tend to be Virgo and only reveal my Aries side when I feel comfortable.IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted June 12, 2010 02:41 PM
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What is your Sun,again,Benedict?
Cancer.
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Agent_009
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posted June 12, 2010 05:15 PM
I think both my Libra-ASC & (Virgo-Sun/Cap-Moon) take equal precedence for me. Unlike others who only express their Sun/Moon when they're more comfortable...I express mine right off the bat. I think this is due to having a huge 1H stellium, so everything is more apparent. The 1H Arian energy is quite consuming. I find this often causes confusion or slightly shocks the other person as the 2 energies (of Libra vs. Virgo/Cap/Aries) are so different. I definitely wear a Libran mask. Everyone always tells me I "appear," to be a damsel in distress, quiet, soft spoken, even a barbie-bimbo. Intellectually/skill-sets I also exhibit Libran traits to the max...being quite accomplished in music & the arts. Therefore people tend to assume I'm an idealistic traditional artist archetype. However my core persona is extremely Virgo/Cap. I'm a very ambitious, CEO/commando sergeant type...which harsh clashes with my physical appearance. IP: Logged |
pretty_uglybefore
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posted June 12, 2010 06:14 PM
hey guys  i would have to say that i agree with DD, i think sometimes it is hard to see ourselves how other people see us, and our ascendant probably does have a big part to play in this. before i found out more about my natal chart i would never have thought of myself as having capricorn qualities (i'm a pisces sun and very emotional), but on realising that was the case i quickly grew to acknowledge the huge part it plays in my character. i am a huge worrier and always want to do the right thing by everyone. even though i am very emotional and passionate, which my close friends will be more than aware of, to people who don't know me too well, i don't show that so obviously as i come across as quite serious, i think. i also have a lot of cappy in my chart (ascendant, mars, jupiter, saturn), so i suppose it's a big influence in me. i also agree that my sun, moon and ascendant seem to be equally important in my qualities - libra moon makes me a big thinker, trying to do the right thing and take responsibility but always weighing things up to come to the right conclusion.
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Lonake
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posted June 12, 2010 11:21 PM
The Asc is really important as its the filter for everything in the chart, it all spills out through the Asc, so nothing gets expressed without it. Planets opp the Asc can give contradictory traits because they're not what you'd expect from this person (opposite from the Asc). The Asc ruler is always very strong, it provides you with a quick tip to something that really matters to the person in question, it's like a secondary drive that kicks in right after the Asc expresses itself and will color reactions, etc.
So to me the most important are Sun, Asc, Asc ruler, in just getting a quick overview of the chart up-front. Next would be Moon, angular planets, and h1 placements, major aspects to asc, etc.IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 13, 2010 03:02 AM
Wonderful answers 
Thank you so much!
My computer is being strange so I cannot respond to each person's post the way I want to
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