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CrazyAquarian
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posted June 27, 2010 12:31 AM
 
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Fixed signs.
That's not true, fixed signs don't equal selfishness. ------------------
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Writesomething
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posted June 27, 2010 12:34 AM
Um...okay. Why ask if youre not open to any differing opinions?IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted June 27, 2010 12:46 AM
Why so defensive?
All you said was fixed signs without elaborating. I said it doesn't equal selfishness, which is saying that just cause you have it it doesn't make you automatically selfish, which is true. Others in here have stated their opinions and others explained why that cant be it.------------------
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Writesomething
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posted June 27, 2010 12:49 AM
Im not being defensive. I just didnt see a point in your post. If you really wanted a explanation, you could of just said, please explain and I would have. Well, I hope you find your answer now. Bye.Ps- Im not arguing with you. Just differing opinions. IP: Logged |
amowls*
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posted June 27, 2010 12:53 AM
Uh... I've never heard of fixed signs in general being selfish (unless we're talking about Leo or something). IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted June 27, 2010 12:55 AM
I know Amowls, neither have I.....I was very surprised.
And Writesomething, maybe reading those book would help you lol I just went through 4 of mine and not one said that and practically nothing comes up on google either.
Astrology may not be something that has set in stone rules, but some things just aren't true.
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Writesomething
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posted June 27, 2010 12:59 AM
I still stand by my opinion. I didnt know you could find the answers within 5 mins of scanning your astrology book.Knowing answers to things comes from asking questions, and studying people/life/etc for years. When I ask Astro minded people a question..
I am open to differing opinions...I know most arent going to agree. IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted June 27, 2010 01:06 AM
Oh ho! Though you said bye?  It was 10 mins and all I had to do was look in the section that described fixed signs, not too time consuming. Ever think about opening your mind and maybe those experiences you have with those people who were selfish could be explained in another way? I have many people and experiences that say the opposite along with never hearing that. Thats what we are all trying to figure out here. I said it wasn't true, you said it is. Looks like you are the one who can't take a difference of opinion.------------------
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Writesomething
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posted June 27, 2010 01:07 AM
I respect your opinion. Ive always enjoyed Aquarian energy. Have a good night.IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted June 27, 2010 01:18 AM
Ami Ann- you're welcome.  I'm curious if it could be related to a house ruler and where it's located and it's aspects... like say the the Ist house ruler since that's suppose to be all about "you" and how that ruler relates to the rest of the chart. Is there a house that is known to be "selfish"? I have no clue, but I'm just throwing it out there with the rest of the theories. LOL IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted June 27, 2010 01:32 AM
Could it be connected to the 5th house? Because of the Sun?------------------
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Lonake
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posted June 27, 2010 02:17 AM
I agree to a certain extent with fixed signs because they're very acquisitive and possessive, what's theirs is *theirs* type thinking. But every person is giving and generous, just depends on what they think they freely have to give, be it something tangible or intangible. Fixed signs also tend to be incredibly loyal (cos they don't want to budge) so they can be generous giving that, for example.Asking who's the most selfish is sort of a dead-end question to me, or relative I should say.. edit,
but you asked for chart factors.. I guess in general it would be something that pointed to an accented ego, which would be something like Sun or Pluto conj Asc, or maybe Mc, Pluto can be incredibly ego driven or a chart very strong in Scorpio of someone who's not using their energy very well. Thinking.....one I noticed was complete lack of adverse aspects. Possibly unaspected Sun. Very strong H5. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted June 27, 2010 02:21 AM
I don't believe that you can tell a person's ethics and morals Even if you come up with some indicators, there are people with those indicators that aren't like that. I wouldn't be surprised if they make a rebuttal and protest against those being used as indicators. It happens a lot. free will is the ultimate factor ------------------
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CrazyAquarian
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posted June 27, 2010 02:25 AM
Well I wasn't asking whos the most selfish, just what in a chart could indicate it, not necessarily a certain sign or type. And I do see what you mean with the fixed signs. Since I have fixed as my sun, moon, and mercury and I know I'm not selfish is why that statement bothered me. I think its confusion with being "fixed", not easily budging or giving or being possessive like you said. Or looking at it from a different point of view, but inside and where those actions are not coming from a selfish mind point. Not saying it's not possible, because Leo can definitely be selfish and is fixed but fixed as a whole, I still think that's being misinterpreted. ------------------
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Lonake
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posted June 27, 2010 02:30 AM
Yea I don't know if you completely got what I wrote above, but i added some chart factors to my post that made sense to me.IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted June 27, 2010 02:30 AM
Well it' not really about ethics or morals, its just how one's mind works. Either they mostly think about them self or not, even if their actions don't show it doesn't necessarily mean they aren't.
Just like how we are talking about fixed signs. They are stubborn. That's something i their mind. Like Pisces think alot of others. Didn't seem to far fetched to me to find indicators of selfishness.------------------
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CrazyAquarian
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posted June 27, 2010 02:37 AM
OK lets see, she has her asc quincunx pluto, her mc square pluto and her sun quintile pluto. Not major aspects though.... and not planets in her 5th.
I just saw that she has her mercury square pluto, that explains some things too..------------------
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Lonake
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posted June 27, 2010 02:38 AM
Also, I wanna add, which should be a given in discussing these things but some people get huffy about, which is I don't believe, for example, that someone I've never met just by seeing their chart has for example Sun conj Asc is all about themselves, nor would I automatically think everyone with Mars conj Venus is a sex fiend.
If I'm reading a chart without knowing the person in a close way, I will be looking for multiple factors pointing to a certain trait, not seeing one and saying point blank 'they must be this way' and even if i do see multiple factors for something i won't think that they will always exhibit those traits either, just that they'll tend to lean quite strongly in that direction.
Humans are more complicated than that.. fortunately and unfortunately  *People* hehe, sometimes I talk like a robot lol. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted June 27, 2010 02:46 AM
Things about selfishness can be related to morals and ethics. I wouldn't say that it's a basic trait like sensitivity (responsiveness to external stimuli) or intensity or being intellectual or emotional.Imho selfishness is the result of how somebody choses to use his/her basic traits.
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just because a person has Sun in Pisces doesn't mean that a person thinks of others it depends on what else is going on in the chart not only that it depends on the choices they make in regards to how to use their basic traits
free will is the ultimate factor
I can give you a few Solar Pisceans that were/are serial killers
John Wayne Gacy, the killer clown
Richard Ramirez, the Nightstalker both had Sun and Moon in Pisces Dennis Rader, the BTK Serial Killer had Sun in Pisces Ossama Bin Laden has Sun in Pisces I don't believe in making generalizations about sunsigns nor any other placements in signs. Not all people with a certain placement are the same. A person can't tell how they use their energies by looking at their charts.
Free will is the ultimate factor.
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Lonake
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posted June 27, 2010 02:55 AM
Not thinking of others automatically equals serial killing?
There are killers and peace lovers in every sign etc. no one is disputing that, Raymond.IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted June 27, 2010 03:00 AM
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CrazyAquarian
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posted June 27, 2010 03:01 AM
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Imho selfishness is the result of how somebody choses to use their basic traits.
But that's just it, selfishness and selfish actions are different. One is how they think and one is what they are actually doing. quote:
Things about selfishness can be related to morals and ethics. I wouldn't say that it's a basic trait like sensitivity (responsiveness to external stimuli) or intensity or being intellectual or emotional.
Morals and ethics and selfishness? I don't see it. I won't kill someone because its against my morals. But someone who is selfish, that's just in their mind, that's how their mind works. I didn't say it had anything to do with sensitivity (responsiveness to external stimuli) or intensity or being intellectual or emotional
And you can have morals and ethics and still be selfish. Selfish is a way your mind works you are focusing and thinking about your self, but like you keep saying free will, they can still use that mind and have morals.
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btwjust because a person has Sun in Pisces doesn't mean that a person thinks of others it depends on what else is going on in the chart
And I didn't say that either, I just said Pisces. Not sun in or another planet, just the sign because thats how it is. And again I never said don't look at the rest, that's actually the whole question I'm asking.------------------
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Glaucus
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posted June 27, 2010 03:01 AM
well
they weren't obviously weren't being thoughtful considerate of the people that they killednow did they? any ways.... my point was that a person's behaviors, choices of how they use their basic traits can't be seen in a natal chart btw 5th house wouldn't necessarily mean selfish it can also be matters involving children,creativity,self expression,entertainment,speculation ------------------
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Glaucus
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posted June 27, 2010 03:06 AM
I never said anything about selfishness being lack of morals and ethics
I was talking that you can't judge the level of a person's morals and ethics by looking at somebody's natal chart
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" I didn't say it had anything to do with sensitivity (responsiveness to external stimuli) or intensity or being intellectual or emotional" I never said that I was making an example,pointing out sensitivity and intensity are basic traits.
the sign, Pisces doesn't necessarily mean thoughtful
there are numerous possibilities sign,Pisces can manifest
that was my other point
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CrazyAquarian
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posted June 27, 2010 03:09 AM
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well
they weren't obviously weren't being thoughtful considerate of the people that they killednow did they?
Well well well, assuming aren't we? You don't know the whole story
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any ways....my point was that a person's behaviors, choices of how they use their basic traits can't be seen in a natal chart
Ok...the word selfish is what seems to be the problem here.....selfish is an adjective and a state of mind.....acting on it is a selfish action. Which is usually what one does. But not necessarily, but you have the trait or mind set there should be something in ones chart that makes them that way. Aries are known for usually just thinking about their own needs and act for them self. Oh no....your gonna give an example of Aries aren't you? O_O
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btw 5th house wouldn't necessarily mean selfish it can also be matters involving children,creativity,self expression,entertainment,speculation
Oh gosh, but its connected to the sun and the ego so there could an indication there.------------------
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