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Topic: Let's Talk About- Lilith-The Dark Feminine
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popcorn
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posted July 22, 2010 02:31 PM
 
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vertiver
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posted July 22, 2010 02:32 PM
Oh Wow, Glaucus and everybody else! I just realized that my BML Lilith is conjunct asteroid Lilith (9th H), crazy! So both are trine Neptune (1st) and sextile Pluto (11th). But Asteroid Lilith makes an opposition to my moon, it makes sense why I'm an inherently drawn to the dark feminine, and perhaps instincts really do rule me! IP: Logged |
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posted July 22, 2010 02:38 PM
What do you guys think about your BML conjunct another's North Lunar Node?IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted July 22, 2010 02:49 PM
"By shadow side - I don't mean hidden. I mean it operates differently from our Moon. While our Moon is receptive and reflective, BML is dynamic and independent. She's a yang-ed up Moon. All those lunar drives that get pushed aside or held in check for social reasons (the Moon is linked with the public) find an advocate in BML. BML doesn't give a sh1t about propriety. She's fiercely independent and hungry. She's not here to please, but to get pleased."
Now with that in mind
What about the lunar perigree which is opposite black moon (lunar apogee)? Does that mean that the lunar perigree is more receptive and reflective? Does it mean that it has more yin energy than the Moon itself? Is it more dependent than the Moon itself? Does lunar perigree care about propriety more than the Moon itself?
If so
does it really make sense to name it Priapus, a male deity of sexuality? ------------------
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Glaucus
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posted July 22, 2010 03:23 PM
" What do you guys think about your BML conjunct another's North Lunar Node?"a strong emotional connection It's basically your lunar perigree/apogee axis is in opposition to his lunar nodal axis it also means that your lunar perigree conjuncts his South Lunar Node.
Lunar perigree (the nearest point of the Moon's orbit to the Earth) is always exactly opposite the BML which is the lunar apogee (the farthest point of the the Moon's orbit from the Earth).
A planet in opposite to BML is not a bad thing at all, it just means that it is conjuncts its opposite point, the lunar perigree which means that it's even a stronger lunar connection that is more beneficial. The conjunction to BML would actually be a more challenging lunar connection.
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posted July 23, 2010 04:19 AM
What about someone's Sun conjunct BML?or BML opposite BML? Anyone have experience with either? ------------------
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jane
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posted July 23, 2010 02:16 PM
Raymond - quote:
does it really make sense to name it Priapus, a male deity of sexuality?
Not to me. I'm unsure how to interpret the lunar perigee. But since it's a lunar point, throwing in a male deity strikes me as off the mark. To get some ideas on how the lunar perigee works I looked at it in some charts. No ideas on that yet  , but I saw that it's not always opposite BML. For instance, my first love has... Priapus - 7 Aries
BML (true) - 4 Virgo
BML (mean) - 14 Virgo About me seeing BML as a yangified Moon...My own chart could be doing that. I have both BMLs square a solar influence. Mean square my Sun (0*) and True square my 5th house ruler (0*). Plus my Lilith asteroid is cnj my Sun/Moon mp. So my Lilith and BML energies all have an outlet in my conscious, active side. IP: Logged |
jane
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posted July 23, 2010 02:21 PM
Cooljen -With Sun-BML contact, in my experience there's a feeling of nothing being swept under the rug. All things BML are brought to light. IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2010 02:26 PM
I came across this at wiki. I can relate to how Browning sees Lilith. quote:
The Victorian poet Robert Browning re-envisioned Lilith in his poem "Adam, Lilith, and Eve". First published in 1883, the poem uses the traditional myths surrounding the triad of Adam, Eve, and Lilith. Browning depicts Lilith and Eve as being friendly and complicitous with each other, as they sit together on either side of Adam. Under the threat of death, Eve admits that she never loved Adam, while Lilith confesses that she always loved him: As the worst of the venom left my lips, I thought, 'If, despite this lie, he strips
The mask from my soul with a kiss — I crawl
His slave, — soul, body, and all!
—Browning 1098 Browning focused on Lilith's emotional attributes, rather than that of her ancient demon predecessors.
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posted July 23, 2010 02:50 PM
that's weirdI have true BML conjunct Sun with 22 minutes of arc, but I never thought of BML as having a yang nature. I really feel the strong feminine energy that seems to engulf my masculinity. My Sun is linked to other female archetypes including oppose/conjunct the Eris (Goddess of Discord) Nodes with 10 minutes of arc as well as conjunct the asteroids:Ariadne (helped Theseus, married Dionysus),Aurora (Roman Goddess of the Dawn),Selqet (Egyptian Scorpion Goddess),Iphigenia (Agammenon's daughter sacrificed for fair winds to sail to Troy),Athor (Egyptian Goddess of Love and Fertility) within 1 degree in Right Ascension, Sun-Sedna opposition with 44 minutes of arc. Sedna is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate named after Inuit Ocean/Underworld Goddess. ------------------
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Glaucus
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posted July 23, 2010 03:13 PM
I checked the placement of my true lunar perigree, and it is in 5'42 Taurus Retrograde. That's exactly opposite my true BML (true lunar apogee) in 5'42 ScorpioI also checked the Ephemeris, and true lunar lunar perigree and true lunar apogee are always exactly opposite each other like the lunar node axis.
The Priapus that you listed is definitely not the true lunar perigree.
It's probably the Mean Lunar Perigree.
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DD
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posted July 23, 2010 03:39 PM
My beloved Browning. Thank you for that quote.  IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2010 03:40 PM
Yes, the lunar apogee and perigee are always directly opposite I think.IP: Logged |
jane
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posted July 23, 2010 03:42 PM
Raymond -Yes, I used h22 which astro calls the "Natural Perigee." I figured it was the Mean Lunar Perigee bc they call Mean BML the "Natural Apogee." They don't provide a code for True Perigee, but if it's always opp True Apogee then that's not needed. Strange that the Mean Perigee and Apogee don't oppose one another, since the True ones always do.  As far as the BMLs go, what's your opinion on Mean v True in the chart? Do you agree with what's been written that, mirroring their astronomy, Mean BML is more stable and True BML is more erratic? quote:
I really feel the strong feminine energy that seems to engulf my masculinity.
Exactly! I mean that through the Sun, BML energies have a conscious outlet. She's not left alone in the dark to fume. IP: Logged |
cooljen
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posted July 23, 2010 04:19 PM
Thanks Jane for the response!Thats interesting. I'm curious to know how the different aspects (conjunctions and oppositions) play out in synastry - from attraction through the course of the relationship. Whether the aspect seems like a good aspect or a bad one for the relationship.
I know this thread is not about BML synastry aspects but someone brought it up and it sounded like something intriguing to look into. I have my Sun conjuncting someone's BML and our BML's are opposite one another. I dont have any personal stories to share regarding them so I was just wondering if anyone here did. Anyway, maybe I'll start a thread on BML aspects in synastry.  ------------------
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posted July 23, 2010 04:53 PM
that seems to be a very intersting subject - BML in synastry.
Do you know the website funkastrology?
There are some very interesting articles on BML.I also wonder if it is a productive thing to have in synastry or not.
I need to think about my own experiences.
But some time ago I noticed something odd in my synastry with Jude Law.
He has true BML conjunct Mars in Scorpio, and both square my true BML in Aquarius.
(His mean BML lands on my Mars-ASC-conjunction).
I was wondering if this may be one of these reasons that he keeps popping up in my dreams, event hough I don`t want him to.
His BML and Mars fall in my 12th house.
Just wondering, but I guess that is not the answer you were looking for. Sorry.
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Glaucus
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posted July 23, 2010 05:24 PM
"As far as the BMLs go, what's your opinion on Mean v True in the chart? Do you agree with what's been written that, mirroring their astronomy, Mean BML is more stable and True BML is more erratic?"Yes. Juan Revilla's article makes sense. He has a strong understand in Astronomy.
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posted July 23, 2010 05:26 PM
"that seems to be a very intersting subject - BML in synastry.
Do you know the website funkastrology?
There are some very interesting articles on BML."Yep. Marina is very passionate about Lilith.
Both Jamie and Marina are facebook/myspace friends of mine. I am a member of their funky astrology myspace group and facebook group. ------------------
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posted July 24, 2010 05:42 PM
Newbie here...
I read somewhere about 4 astronomical entities that are associated with Lilith Energy:
1. Black Moon Lilith
As everyone above has said, the lunar perigee, the shadow side of our emotional nature.
2. Dark Moon Lilith
The hypothetical 'second' satellite of Earth. Estimated to be 3x away from Earth as Moon, associated with the deeper undercurrents of our nature that we tend to suppress: sexuality, rage, abuse
3. Asteroid Lilith
An asteroid orbiting between the planets Mars and Jove, the dark feminine principle as represented by the goddesses Kali, Hecate, Demeter and Isis
4. The fixed star Algol/Caput Medusae/Ras al Ghul/The Gorgon's Head
Considered by many as the most malevolent and evil star, associated with wars, violence, uprisings, assassinations, painful death, stationed at 26 Taurus
Thoughts, anyone?
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posted July 24, 2010 05:49 PM
"1. Black Moon Lilith
As everyone above has said, the lunar perigee, the shadow side of our emotional nature."Black Moon Lilith is lunar apogee which means the farthest point of the Moon's orbit from the Earth. Lunar perigree is the nearest point of the Moon's orbit to the Earth. the nearest point of an object's orbit to the Sun is known as perihelion the farthest point of an object's orbit from the Sun is known as aphelion. ------------------
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posted July 25, 2010 04:05 PM
Knew it was one of 'em. I wrote perigee because I thought peri in Latin would be away like peripheral...thanks for the correction anyway.------------------
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jane
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posted July 25, 2010 06:14 PM
Ok, to sum up how I'm viewing BML...She is the storm that disrupts false emotional tranquility. She overturns the status quo, not for kicks or intellectual amusement, and not out of malice. She does it so we can birth our most true and private emotional needs, the ones that we, in some way, have been asked to kill. BML would rather destroy the environment and her status in it than allow her true emotions be buried.
BML considers sex an opportunity to express and satisfy her true emotions. Her power is in her sincerity, her complete lack of inhibitions.
Cooljen -
BMLis agood thing in synastry if the people involved need to share that part of themselves. Ipersonally would rather experienceBML's occassional storms than endure the loneliness I would feel if she had to hide away. BMLis active on every level w my SO - syn, comp, davison. Maybe wo our harmonious aspects BML would've been uncomfortable and too destructive. For the most part, BML has us connectd at a raw point inside ourselves.
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posted July 25, 2010 06:26 PM
FrozenQueen -
I hope to respond to your post soon, but for now wanted to grab the chance to say hello and welcome. IP: Logged |
maira
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posted July 25, 2010 06:41 PM
Here's a good site, I'm posting my lilith, as it rang so true
http://www.sanjaperic.com/2005/04/28/lilith-in-scorpio/ IP: Logged |
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posted July 25, 2010 10:48 PM
In a woman's chart especially, a truely prominent Lilith(conj with sun, moon, asc.) can lead to great magnetism and powers of attraction. Everyone notices them for better or worse! Of course Pluto can work that way too sometimes..IP: Logged |
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