posted August 23, 2010 09:36 AM         

My Draconic Sun/Venus/MC/Uranus is Taurus.

And I have an exact Yod
(from Neptune and Pluto)
to my Taurus Imum Coeli.
Exact opposition (from Uranus), too.

Also, my Chiron,
which figures somewhat prominently.

I'm not insulted...
rather, I'm even flattered,
by the explanation you gave.

Evolved Taurean energy is fascinating.

Energy grounded in the bedrock of ages.

Exquisite taste.

An appreciation for the timeless, the epic.

Some of my favorite artists,
and the most enduring, are strong in Taurus:

Shakespeare (Sun)
Novalis (Sun/Moon/Uranus)
Da Vinci (Venus)
Proust (Moon/Pluto)
Tolstoy (Ascendant)

posted August 23, 2010 09:40 AM         

What's your Ascendant?

Oh, right, it's Virgo.

Seriously, friend...

You go on and on.. and on...

Categorizing, listing, analyzing...

diagnosing, prescribing, explaining..

I'm sorry, but I see it.

I definitely see it.

posted August 23, 2010 11:12 AM         

I wouldn't say Capricorn for you, BM..to me you're very deep and very strong, both in your convictions and morals. Also I can sense the watery emotion that's in you (where the deepness comes, I guess haha) but you're very grounded.
I would have said Aries too, just because I have found that Aries females (and there are many in my life lol) are very strong and independent but very grounded at the same time. Aries also reminds me of Leo and Cancer in how maternal they are..not like, mothering anyone but go to an Aries house and its all, "are you comfortable, do want something to drink? You cold/hot? Need me to come pick you up? I'll bring you maccas if you're hungry (all true examples)", they care for everyone and DO go out of their way to help their friends, almost in an aggressive manner hahaha
The only other reason is cos when I think Aries, I think of greek mythology and I think of warrior goddesses like Athena, Artemis, Diana (roman version) or even Xena warrior princess hahahaha

As for everyone else (let me know if I have forgotten anyone )

Racole: Sagittarius, straight up. From your picture and cheerful disposition, I wouldn't not pick anything else.

Belgz: Cancer, all the way. But with Leo ASC or Leo Mars. To me, cancerian women the beautiful and amazing wife & mothers who are queens of their castles and I see Belgz one day married in a beautiful house with kids, living happily ever after (cos there's a bit of the Virgo "fair maiden" princess in her)

Ami: Again, Cancer. The sort of qualities you have..like your warmth, empathy, unconditional compassion, emotional support as well as the "little girl lost" with the "mummy dearest" syndrome so many Cancer girls go through, as well as the maternal quality you exude in contrast (must be the Gemini thing hehe..contrasts and polar opposites).
Maybe also Pisces, as you are the one who asks the big questions that we all ask ourselves in your quest for enlightenment and inner peace and integrating everything to whole once again. Its inspirational because you're not just talking about yourself but get everyone talking about this awesome stuff..kinda like the big philosophers in ancient times hahahaha

posted August 23, 2010 11:13 AM         

IQ: Can't really say b/c we have nearly the same natal chart so nothing but big love there for this guy

Amowls: Aquarius. All the way through, like the hugest stellium in the house that Aquarius rules in your natal. Also, your appearance..my little sis has Aquarius ASC and she's dark like you, like dark skin, dark hair, dark eyes and is a very funky dresser like you. I reckon if she saw your piercings, she'd run out and get them the next day.

Lara: Aries sun with Taurus ASC or Moon or Taurus sun with Aries moon or ASC. A strong, proud woman who is in charge and control of her femininity and sexuality, in a "I am woman, hear me roar!" kinda way. Hot mama. Since it was mentioned she may have a Leo ASC, i can see that for sure haha

posted August 23, 2010 01:20 PM         

Belgz,

I wouldn't be a great communicator and great with details if it wasn't for special education therapies including auditory therapy,speech therapy,phonics training, and motor skills/occupational therapy. They didn't come naturally to me. They had to be taught to me because I was only a visual,picture thinker that had problems processing words,language,and overall linear,leftbrained type of stuff. In early childhood when I was in special education classroom, I know for damned sure that nobody here would have thought I was Virgo-like in any way.
My analytical observations in regards to dwarf planets and a lot of other things in Astrology are actually my interest in different things as in novelty seeking (ADHD), my hyperfocusing (ADHD) ,and my obsessiveness (Dyspraxia) as well as looking at things from multiple angles,perspectives (my overall neurodivergence of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD).

I really don't believe that I observe and assess better than most. I don't like comparing myself to others in that way for it makes me feel uncomfortable. I am person that just have opinions,views that tend to diverge from others like somebody who has problems with mainstream things. If I have an opinion/view, I try to explain why I have that opinion/view. I don't want people to take just my word for it just like I don't take people's words. I have to look into it.

Often times, it's hard for me to be brief and to the point because of my problems with linear processing. I think in pictures mainly,and so I have to write in a way that I "paint a picture" or else I don't explain myself clearly. Even the neuropsychologist wrote the following in regards to my being a visual thinker
"Persons with strong visual skills who lack comparable verbal facility can often be frustrated because they have difficulty communicating their ideas in a highly verbal society"

Believe it or not, I still have speech problems. They are not just me speaking softly and high pitched (been documented as having minor articulation problems,minor speech impediment, and mildly dysarthric speech by people who examined me). They were a lot worse when I was a child,and it got me mistaken for being mentally retarded. I appeared autistic-like even. Even when I talk now, I think my words very carefully before I talk to minimize speech errors or else I'd be giving the impression of being like former president George W. Bush. In my natural way of speaking, I tend to speak in rapid,rambling,loose way,and even somewhat disorganized way (cluttering) which got me misdiagnosed as having a bipolar disorder w/ schizoaffective disorder by psychiatrists for rapid speech is known symptom of bipolar disorder and disorganized speech is known symptom of schizophrenia. I do tend to have a rambling way of writing in my posts that mirrors my cluttering. The compensative writing style mirrors the way that I speak.

If you still don't understand what I meant by all that. Please read the following: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=131944976821905&v =app_2373072738&ref=ts#!/topic.php?uid=131944976821905&topic=179

I also tend to elaborate when I write to prevent people from asking me questions because I tend to have problems with demand language even though I have less problems with spontaneous language.

here stuff that explans problems with demand language and less problems with spontaneous language.
"Children with a specific language disability usually have no difficulty with spontaneous language. They do, however, often have problems with demand language. The inconsistency can be quite striking. A youngster may initiate all sorts of conversation, may never keep quiet, in fact, and may sound quite normal. But put into a situation that demands a response, the same child might answer "Huh?" or "What?" or "I don't know." Or the child may ask you to repeat the question to gain time, or not answer at all. If the child is forced to answer, the response may be so confusing or so circumstantial that it is difficult to follow. She or he may sound totally unlike the child who was speaking so fluently just a minute ago. This inconsistency or confusion in language behavior often puzzles parents and teachers. A teacher might put a child down as lazy or negative because he or she does well when volunteering to speak or answer a question, but won't answer or says "I don't know" when called on. The explanation could lie in the child's inability to handle demand language, but contradictory behavior like this makes sense only if you know about the disability." http://www.ldonline.org/article/5821

People with Aspergers Syndrome are far better communicators and far greater with details than I am, and they are like that without any special education therapies. Those tend to be their strengths. With special education therapies, Autistics can be great communicator and great with details too. They are like opposites to people with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD.
For me , those things are a result from compensation and special education therapies,remediation as well as my traits of novelty seeking,hyperfocusing,obsessiveness,and looking at things from multiple angles,perspectives.

It's not about me. It's more about being the result of special education therapies.

take Ari Ne'eman who has Aspergers Syndrome for instance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwp2lL7rFrM

here is Temple Grandin who has high functioning autism and benefited from early intervention speech therapy. BTW..She has Sun in Virgo, being born on August 29th. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wt1IY3ffoU

any ways.....even though I have a Virgo Ascendant, Virgo things don't come naturally to me. I can't help think that transneptunian dwarf planet Haumea conjunct my Ascendant with 2'11 orb indicates the Virgo traits being more modified to the point that they don't come naturally to me and that I come across unusual to others, especially in my childhood years.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 23, 2010 01:36 PM         

Peri, I see you as sometimes Gemish and sometimes Piscesish. (I like the way that looks in print.. Piscesish. ha.)

Scorpio, since you just asked, I've read alot of what you've written in AG's thread, and I can also see Air in you.

When I first read alot of Lexx's writings, it was in another forum, I thought she was either a Cancer or a Capricorn, I kept flipping between the two.

Yin I see as very Sag. She comes across different in a spontaneous setting, but I get where everyone sees the Pisces about her, and I also see some Leo in her. Maybe some Cancer as well.

I always forget T is a a Taurus, my brain always thinks she's a Libra.

Zala reminds me so much of my Mom, she has alot of Leo/Virgo energy about her.

posted August 23, 2010 01:37 PM         

No......I was actually pleading. That's why I said that I was asking you nicely.

why should I have a sense of humor about this?

I take my neurodivergence and my compensation very seriously. That's why I am a neurodiversity advocate. I don't want the stuff twisted to fit me in an astrological box that I don't fit!

I am very sure that many other neurodivergents don't want to either A matter of fact, many don't even believe in Astrology

All you have to do is check the site, Wrongplanet. Many Aspergers,high functioning autistics are very skeptical and look down on Astrology. Who can blame them? They don't fit inside the astrological box. Astrology can't explain why they are like that just like Astrology can't explain why I am the way that I am. I am trying to figure it out, but I find neurodivergent indicators aren't cut in dry in Astrology. The same aspects/placements could be found in people with serious psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia, the gifted, and overall nonconformists. The traits of those things overlap with each other quite a bit.

I don't think that I should delete my posts. Those are things that I wrote from the heart and they are the truth. They would help others understand me well. It would help others understand others that are like me well.

I keep my posts up for the sake of neurodiversity.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 23, 2010 02:11 PM         

Winged Leo...Taurus/Pisces

Lara...Taurus/Leo

BM...Cap/Gemini

GypseeWind...Sag/Aqua

T...Taurus/Gemini

Ra...Sag/Cap

posted August 23, 2010 02:22 PM         

quote:

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why should I have a sense of humor about this?
I take my neurodivergence and my compensation very seriously

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Hello?? We were talking about astro impressions we get from each other not Dyspraxia, Dyslexia, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Dyscalculia, and Autistic Spectrum / neurodivergence or your compensations or whatever you think of...we were just having fun with each other (and NOT making fun at each other!) btw having fun is not the same as 'twisting stuff to fit someone somewhere!'

quote:

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I don't think that I should delete my posts. Those are things that I wrote from the heart and they are the truth. They would help others understand me well. It would help others understand others that are like me well.

I keep my posts up for the sake of neurodiversity.

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Well, others may read about Dyspraxia, Dyslexia, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Dyscalculia, and Autistic Spectrum / neurodivergence on the site of your association (you have the link in your signature) or on any other thread where you post

I really respect you and your Dyspraxia, Dyslexia, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Dyscalculia, and Autistic Spectrum / neurodivergence but really it's very annoying to read the same stuff everywhere again and again all these years on every thread where you post, I am not trying to offend you, what I mean is let the church stand in the churchyard ok?

posted August 23, 2010 02:43 PM         

quote:

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Yin, I have Aries SN + Mars/Venus and it shows, right??

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posted August 23, 2010 02:57 PM         

Thank God Somebody gets me!

I am also Piscean in other ways.

I believe in Unity,Universal Love, and that stems from my multiracial background and being the child of an interracial couple as well as my experiences as a special education student. Special education was a most humbling experience,and it factored in my belief in treating others like I want to be treated. I am Piscean in that I am a hopeless romantic type. I've fallen in love easily. When I was young, I was too shy to approach females. I have written poetry for females that I like. I even made cards for females that I liked. I did that for my exgf Meghann.
I am very imaginative and was always a bit of daydreamer (I fit inattentive type ADHD in that way,and I was diagnosed that in 2004). I was always very interested in dreams,the supernatural,ESP,superheroes (especially Spider-Man and Batman) and other thing but I kept those things to myself. I enjoyed reading fairy tales,mythology,and Arthurian Legends. I was fascinated with merfolk. I was into things that most children weren't into,and it got me singled.
My favorite hobby when I was a kid was swimming. I learned how to swim in just 1 week at the age of 3 years. I was an excellent swimmer long before I was a competent speaker. Swimming was one of those things that made me feel that I wasn't mentally retarded. Swimming helped me with my gross motor skills. My balance issues from my Dyspraxia were not a factor at all in the water. My wide,flat feet were even an advantage in the water. I swam much faster underwater than I did on top of the water. I really liked the show "Man From Atlantis" starring Patrick Duffy who actually was an experienced scuba diver and has Sun in Pisces.

I think that I am Piscean like in regards to religion. Religion is a very personal thing for me. I don't want to answer to a human being in regards to my religious beliefs. I am a pantheist,and so I believe that all is God/Goddess and that God/Goddess is in all. I want to feel connected to something greater than myself that is not separate from me. I am a member of an interfaith unity church, and that's about many paths,one god.

"Also, a bit of a Cancerian influence too..you are VERY interested in your roots and genes and where you came from, you love your family and are very proud of them. I think that's very cool"

I am interested in my roots because I know very little about them. I never knew my biological father for he disappeared when I was a year old. He had drug problems. He had Moon in Pisces like me. He had Capricorn Sun,Pisces Moon like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Elvis Presley. He had the idealism of Dr King and the addictions of Elvis Presley. I think that explains him perfectly. I never knew his side of the family even though that's black side of my family. I never knew my black roots even though I am "black" to society because I am part black.
My mom never knew her biological mother. My mother was the result of a very brief relationship. According to my maternal grandfather, my maternal grandmother married for his allotment check. My grandfather was in the Marines at the times, and my maternal grandmother already had a daughter. My maternal grandmother never wanted my mother. My grandfather told me that my maternal grandmother getting pregnant with my mother was the reason why she ended the relationship. She tried to give my mother up for adoption, but my grandfather came back from Korea. He visited my mother and he felt such a connection to her, he couldn't let her go. My grandfather had Sun in Cancer and Moon in Pisces. My mother never knew her biological mother nor her biological mother's side of the family. As you see, I know very little of my roots. All I want to do is learn more about my roots. Watching Alex Haley's Roots inspired me get more interested in finding out more about my roots.

As for loving my family, umm....it's complicated. was physically,verbally abused by mother. I grew up with a love n' hate relationship with her. She and I had a volatile relationship. There was a lot of resentment that I had towards her for many years. When I was in the navy, I didn't speak to her for almost a year. Being an only child and her having health problems, I support her in any way that I can. My maternal grandfather's suicide helped me close to my mom, but it was more out of sympathy. Sympathy for others is one of my greatest weaknesses, and I am especially vulnerable when it comes to my mother.

"Maybe also a bit of Aquarius too, cos you are such a lateral thinker (i think that's the right term) and think of the big picture, thinking socially for the collective for the advancement for humankind."

Well...I do have a rebellious streak that got me in trouble with my parents (talking back,retorting,"getting smart") and the navy (not shaving and getting unauthorized haircuts as well as retorts to superiors). I have an activist spirit when it comes to neurodiversity. In the past, it was hard to separate my activism from anger. Some white people even thought I came across an angry black man when I talked about racism in psychiatry. They assumed that I was anti-white because I pointed out racism in USA. I am far from anti-white. I am rebellious when it comes to things like forms. I rebel against the "one drop rule" (you're part black,and so you're black). I don't consider myself black. I consider myself multiracial. Therefore, I marked down multiple race boxes on forms even though it said chose one. I was only 2.4 percent of the US population that identified as multiracial on the 2000 US Census form. I identified as multiracial on the 2010 US Census form. In the navy, a senior chief chewed me out for filling out multiple racial boxes. He told me to only pick one, and I refused and told him that I am more than just one. I rebelled against social norm when it came to race stuff.
I don't believe in organized religion and never felt comfortable with it. I am liberal. I believe in to each, his/her own. I believe that homosexual marriages should be legal. Religion shouldn't infringe on the rights of others. People used religion to keep people from having certain freedoms. I don't fit male stereotype,and that factors into my believing in equality of the sexes. I get annoyed when people make generalizations about sexes. I get annoyed when females generalize about males just like I get annoyed when males generalize about females. I believe in equality of all humans period. Unitarian Universalism fits part of my religious beliefs for it's free thinking philosophy and belief in social justice.

When I was a kid, I wanted to be an inventor or mad scientist. I liked reading books about inventors like Thomas Edison. I really liked Science Fiction. I had a chemistry set that my maternal aunt Dominga bought me because of my love for science. I was into mixing chemicals,liquids at 9 years old.

Technically, my Moon is in the constellation of Aquarius. It is even in alignment with Alpha Aquarius star, Sadalmelik. It is also in alignment with theta Aquarius star, Ancha (the hip of Aquarius) as well as as in alignment with gamma Aquarius star Sadalbachia in Right Ascension. I am strongly influenced by Aquarius.

I'd think that Sagittarius is also evident in me. I was always fascinated with different cultures. I have multiracial,multicultural family background. I am into interracial relationships,dating and that stems from my own interracial parentage. I have fantasized about marrying women from other countries and even living in foreign countries. I wanted to travel to other countries. I was in the US Navy. I wanted to see the world. I had many penpals in the UK when I was in the navy. When I was a kid, I enjoyed reading books about explorers like Juan Ponce De Leon. I am am freedom loving person, and that was a problem for me with my parents and the navy.

I think Libra is evident in me. I always wanted to be in a long term relationship,marriage. I am a strong believer in justice. I believe in being fair. When I was a teenager, I thought about being a prosecutor. I changed my mind because the justice system is corrupt. The justice systems tends to be very messed when it comes to minorities including especially blacks. I was a strong believer in the death penalty until a few years ago. I believe in much harsher punishments for criminals. Those things stemmed from my mom being shot 3 days before my birthday with my being present at the time. An event like that would make most people develop a strong sense for justice. I always loved watching law shows whether it's the old Perry Mason show, People's Court, or Law and Order which is one of my favorite shows.

Technically, both my Mercury and Venus are in the Libra constellation. My Mercury is in alignment with the Beta Libra Star Zuben Elschamali. In Right Ascension, my Venus is in alignment with that same star. Therefore,I am strongly influenced by Libra.
Libra actually originated from the Scorpion's Claws too. The scales of Libra were also about judgment,weighing the souls after death to determine how they will be treated in the underworld. It's a lot different than the mainstream Astrology stuff with Libra being associated with 7th house and Venus.

I strongly believe that my very strong transneptunian influences reflect my neurodivergence in regards to my lateral thinking. a good argument could be said about Neptune because my imagination,visualization and the daydreaming and overall extreme sensitivity and the confusion,disorientation that is involved

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 23, 2010 03:16 PM         

Oh, and Libra/Scorpio: I have Moon conjunct Venus in airy Gemini (at the end of the 7th, beginning of the 8th), and it trines Pluto. I also have Pluto in Libra. Plus Neptune trine Midheaven and Jupiter.

posted August 23, 2010 03:37 PM         

I strongly disagree. It's not off topic. There is no need to wear the caps. I wear glasses,and I am not stupid.

You included me in something. You tried to put me into a box that I don't fit based on your assumptions about me. Why shouldn't I react to it? I was merely defending and setting the record straight about myself. I have that right to do that.

Hello?? We were talking about astro impressions we get from each other not Dyspraxia, Dyslexia, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Dyscalculia, and Autistic Spectrum / neurodivergence or your compensations or whatever you think of...we were just having fun with each other (and NOT making fun at each other!) btw having fun is not the same as 'twisting stuff to fit someone somewhere!'

I am not stupid and unaware. Therefore,there is no need for your "Hello??" which I know is a way of saying "look dumb ass, and let me explain stuff to you"

As far as I am concerned, you were having fun at my expense by including me in your post. You were twisting stuff to fit me in an astrological box that I don't fit.

"Well, others may read about Dyspraxia, Dyslexia, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Dyscalculia, and Autistic Spectrum / neurodivergence on the site of your association (you have the link in your signature) or on any other thread where you post"

Yes...I know that. I am not stupid. Therefore, I don't need to be told the obvious.

"I really respect you and your Dyspraxia, Dyslexia, Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Dyscalculia, and Autistic Spectrum / neurodivergence but really it's very annoying to read the same stuff everywhere again and again all these years on every thread where you post, I am not trying to offend you, what I mean is let the church stand in the churchyard ok?"

I don't type the same stuff on every thread I post. That's a bit of an exaggeration. I hate when people dislike stuff or problems with that stuff and say things to people "you say that in every post,etc"

Even if I did, so what?
The neurodivergence can easily pertain to Astrology. Astrology includes assessing the personality traits of a person. Well.. neurodivergent traits are no exception. A lot of times, I feel that people tried to pin me down and judge me because of what they assume that I am based on biases in Astrology. It's no different from how many neurotypical judge neurodivergents. It's no different from how many people judge others based on race,sex,creed,etc. My astrological chart and my neurodivergence are strongly connected. They are in synchronicity with each other. If a certain astrological aspect/placement doesn't indicate a neurodivergent trait/symptom that I have, it could indicate behavior,ways of thinking/being that are result in my experiences as a neurodivergent. For example, My Moon square Saturn could indicate not just depression but also insecurity due to my experiences of feeling intellectually adequate because of my neurodivergent weaknesses and people calling me stupid. My Moon square Neptune could not just indicate confusion and self deception, but it could indicate the sensory integration issues that involve my being overly stimulated to my environment which result in confusion,disorientation. It could also indicate my feelings of being misunderstood a lot which happened to me quite a bit like when people judge me without knowing me. Moon square Neptune could also indicate my psychiatric misdiagnoses. In Medical Astrology, hard Neptune aspects can indicate medical misdiagnoses. Heck..Moon square Neptune could be my confusion about my racial background like when I got confused what box to mark down when a form said pick only one for race even though I don't fit in a race box.

When people try to pin me down astrologically, why shouldn't I be a self advocate in regards to my neurodivergence and compensation? I want people to understand me and not assume things about me just from some astrological biases. A lot of people want that. That's why a lot of people don't like Astrology because they think there is too much judgment in it. Sometimes, I agree with them.

A lot of astrologers focus on astrological aspects as certain things like addictions and psychological problems, but these same aspects can be found in the charts of neurodivergents. A lot of times, many astrologers tend to paint things with a broad brush. Things in Astrology aren't so cut and dry. There is so much relativity to it. That's one of the reasons, it's viewed as pseudoscience. Maybe it needs to be viewed that way. Maybe if Astrology was recognized, astro-racism could be a serious problem. Our world has enough problems with racism,sexism,homophobia,religious bigotry, and intolerance of people's differences in general.

as far as I am concerned, I had the right to give you a rebuttal and retort in regards to you're categorizing me based on some assumptions that really don't fit the real me.

It's like how certain people who don't share my political beliefs tried to fit me into the Marxist box because I am a liberal Democrat that voted for Barack Obama.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement