posted August 24, 2010 08:30 PM         

That's pretty varied lol

Cancer is my AC.

Leo is the decanate of my Sun.

I have Uranus and Saturn in Sagittarius (Saturn trine my Sun) & Jupiter conj MC.

Pisces - lots of Neptune + Pisces in my chart

posted August 25, 2010 12:51 PM         

It's called a counterargument.

according to wikipedia:

In reasoning and argument mapping, a counterargument, also known as a rebuttal, is an objection to an objection. A counterargument can be used to rebut an objection to a premise, a main contention or a lemma.

A counterargument might seek to cast doubt on facts of one or more of the first argument's premises, or to show that the first argument's contention does not follow from its premises in a valid manner, or the counterargument might pay little attention to the premises and common structure of the first argument and simply attempt to demonstrate the truth of a conclusion incompatible with that of the first argument.

To speak of counterarguments is not to assume that there are only two sides to a given issue. On the contrary, for a given argument, there is often a large number of counterarguments, some of which are not compatible with each other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterargument

It's also me retorting which I do a lot of.
That was one of the things that quickly angered my mother and stepfather. The talking back or "getting smart", and I would even get slapped or hit for it. I was the same way in the navy too. I am no different online like in forums and chatrooms. Anybody who is perceptive can clearly see that retorting is something that is a habit of mine. It's a self defense tactic that has become second nature to me. It's all about standing up for myself.

If anybody knows me by now...the more people accuse me of stuff and telling me that I am/do this or that which I don't agree with, the more I retort out of my belief that I am not that way. I do it passionately,and I do it in a way that it makes sense to others and get them to understand my point of view and my overall self.

: to pay or hurl back : return <retort an insult>
2
a : to make a reply to b : to say in reply
3
: to answer (as an argument) by a counter argument
intransitive verb
1
: to answer back usually sharply
2
: to return an argument or charge
3
: retaliate http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retort

btw...My Mercury contraparallel Saturn can count for communicating logically, but it's merely trying to get myself understood,set the record straight as well as being clear and coherent. Why is it so hard for people to understand? I have Mercury parallel Neptune (Mercury conjunct Neptune in declination longitude equivalent chart), and so maybe what I communicate is confusing to others and get me misunderstood no matter how I try which I find very frustrating and stressful, especially when I desperately want people to understand me without making assumptions about me that aren't even true. My thought processes are a lot more complex than people think.

Have you ever head of the dialectic process?
That was also what I was doing, especially when giving alternative points and sharing a different perspective. That's not Virgo-like at all. If you understood the way my mind works, you would understand.

That's why there is a problem viewing me through a 20th century astrological system that I am having increasing doubts about.

From Zane Stein's site:

ERIS & THE DIALECTIC
Recently, I had occasion to read something that showed me a very positive side to Eris. Astrologer John Halloran posted the following (reprinted with his permission) on alt.astrology.moderated:

Eris - Discord and the Dialectic Process
It appears that the philosopher Hegel saw the evolutionary stage that is beyond Pluto.

Hegel saw the dialectic between thesis and antithesis as a constructive process that leads to a higher synthesis.

There is a discussion of Hegel's ideas excerpted at:

www2.pfeiffer.edu/~lridener/courses/HEGEL.HTML

Quotes from this page:

"Dialectic is defined by Hegel as the power (or energy or force) of negativity."

"Dialectic is thus the transition of things, and of knowledge, from potentiality or abstraction to actuality and content, but in such a way that the arising of a fuller determination points beyond itself to a further determination. Every determination is both a result and a new beginning, concrete and abstract, for it occurs within a process of the becoming of a thing (or of knowledge), and hence is concrete relative to the origin of the process but abstract relative to the telos of the whole process. A thing becomes more and more fully developed through this successive dialectic of self-reconstruction."

So discord is part of a constant on-going dialectic process of maturation, of leaving behind one-sided viewpoints and partial truths. It shakes up the status quo and says that a more complete perspective is necessary.

Regards,

John Halloran
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Halloran Software
Windows Astrology Software - www.halloran.com/

The dialectic is a branch of logic in the art of reasoning and\or disputing. Through the use of it Socrates would lead his adversary to make clear his position on the subject, then, often with the introduction of an absolutely contrary theory, the discussion would end with an admission, on the other side, of an inaccuracy. It was employed to set one theory in opposition with another, and thus to develop a subject in a comprehensive manner. First an idea (a Thesis) was thrown up against another theory (an Antithesis); from this, it was thought, one would advance to a third stage, and the truth would emerge. Often, - though not necessarily - there would come about a combination of both the ideas (a synthesis). From this process, it is thought, one would arrive at the truth of a proposition; this is not to be confused with a negotiation process whereby, usually, a compromise is wrought out.

Henry Alphern wrote (in An Outline History of Philosophy):

"We must analyze everything into what it now is, then analysis will show that it contains its opposite, which in turn will have to be harmonized into something that includes them both. But the resultant synthesis will itself be subject again to a negative element, this then, will be resolved into a still more comprehensive synthesis, which will be subjected once more to the principle of contradiction. The final solution, the ultimate harmony, the last synthesis, the step when it will no longer be necessary to go higher, will constitute the Absolute. The Universe as a whole harmonizes all contradictions, it is the perfect whole, it is the synthesis which we are seeking as our final solution. It, therefore, constitutes the true, the rational, the goal of the dialectic method. The conclusion is that only the whole of reality is rational, because that furnishes a complete view of all things; it is the Absolute, the World, Reason, God."

Hesiod wrote that there were two different Eris goddesses. One of them, the daugher of Nyx (Night) stirred up healthy competiton. Think about the last good, stirring debate you watched. A discussion involving opposing viewpoints, first one side, then the other, at times perhaps getting quite heated. Didn't you come away mentally stimulated, perhaps with your own thoughts galvanized?

Competition comes from the Latin word competere, which means: to strive together, to coincide. The very basis of healthy competition is not to create enmity, but to strive together to come up with something better than existed previously. In a healthy competition, everyone benefits, no matter whoo wins.

President William McKinley was an indefatigable campaigner. He helped rebuild the Republican Party in 1896 by rejecting divisive ethnic issues and promoting pluralism--whereby every group in the nation would prosper and none would be singled out for attack. He once wrote:

"Without competition we would be clinging to the clumsy antiquated processes of farming and manufacture and the methods of business of long ago, and the twentieth would be no further advanced than the eighteenth century."

He was born on January 29, 1843, with Mercury approximately 27 Aquarius 18, closely conjunct Eris at 27 Aquarius 53.

Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey had a mind that quickly grasped complicated issues. He was instrumental in merging two opposing political parties (the Democratic and the Farmer-Labor party), and with their combined backing he was elected Mayor of Minneapolis. He gained a national reputation by his strong stand for civil rights. In fact, in one of the most renowned speeches in American political history, Humphrey told the 1948 Democratic National Convention: "To those who say, my friends, to those who say, that we are rushing this issue of civil rights, I say to them we are 172 years too late! To those who say, this civil rights program is an infringement on states' rights, I say this: the time has arrived in America for the Democratic Party to get out of the shadow of states' rights and walk forthrightly into the bright sunshine of human rights!" Humphrey and his allies succeeded; the pro-civil-rights plank was narrowly adopted. But not without causing strife! As a result of the Convention's vote, the Mississippi and one half of the Alabama delegation walked out of the hall. Many Southern Democrats were so enraged that they formed the "Dixiecrat" party and nominated their own presidential candidate.

He once wrote:

"Freedom is hammered out on the anvil of discussion, dissent, and debate."

Humphrey was born May 27, 1911. This gave him a Mars (25 Pisces 19) conjunct Eris (26 Pisces 39), both square Pluto (26 Gemini 53.)
http://www.zanestein.com/Trans-pluto.htm#UB313

I have Mercury biquintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc. So Eris is involved in my communications

some astrologers use declination longitude equivalent chart, I have Mercury square Eris with 1'15 orb in that chart.

I also have retrograde Eris in 12'15 Aries in 8th sextile Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini and sextile North Eris Node in 10'30 Aquarius in 5th. A corresponding midpoint picture of Midheaven square Eris/Node midpoint with 8 minutes of arc. Eris part of my career,aim of life and destiny,connections with others.

I also have Sun in 5'20 Scorpio conjunct Geocentric South Eris Node in 5'30 Scorpio,oppose Geocentric North Eris Node in 5'20 Taurus. In heliocentric chart (higher self chart) Earth in 5'20 Taurus conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio. Therefore,I was born during a very strong Sun-Earth-Eris Node alignment. I am very strongly connected to collective dialectic process, equality, diversity, discord,and controversy. I feel that they fit with my being an astrologer as well as an astrologer that prefers a 21st century astrological system and my neurodiversity advocacy as well as my belief in equal rights for people.

National Organization for Women was founded on October 29th which was my birthday, and so it has the same Sun-Eris-Node connection.
They are an organization for equal rights,and they have been controversial in the past.

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posted August 25, 2010 01:30 PM         

Exactly
They don't understand that my communications is learned and not natural to me. I am not a natural Virgo-like person. I don't think that I consciously act or do Virgo things. If anything, it can be argued that's me being Saturn in regards to my compensation. I already made that point with the stuff on Dr. Levinson and Mercury contraparallel Saturn (Mercury oppose Saturn in longitude equivalent chart), but people are misunderstanding and maybe I am confusing them with how I am communicating with my Mercury parallel Neptune (Mercury oppose Neptune in longitude equivalent chart).

But I have to disagree with you on one thing.
It's not about me not getting the topic about impressions.

It's about people not understanding my thought processes and how I communicate. That frustrates and stresses me out, especially when I have to constantly explain to people in a way that it makes sense and provide points, and they still don't get it.
My thought processes are too complex for people to pin me down and say that I am being Virgo-like.

The way I was responding to people on this thread was not through a Virgoan process. It was counterargument aka rebuttal as well as dialectic process. It was an Eristic process. I have Mercury biquintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc as well as Mercury square Eris with 1'15 orb in declination longitude equivalent chart. I was born during a very strong Sun-Earth-Eris Node alignment (Sun conjunct Geocentric South Eris Node with 9 minutes of arc/oppose Geocentric North Eris Node with 10 minutes of arc and Earth conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Eris Nodes with 10 minutes of arc). I also have retrograde Eris in 12'15 Aries in 8th sextile Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini and sextile North Eris Node in 10'30 Aquarius in 5th. A corresponding midpoint picture of Midheaven square Eris/Node midpoint with 8 minutes of arc. Eris part of my career,aim of life and destiny,connections with others.

I also think the 11th harmonic configuration of my Mercury in Scorpio,Mars in Aquarius,retrograde Saturn in Gemini,Uranus in Libra,retrograde Sedna in Taurus also factors.
11th harmonic is associated with rebellion,frustration against status quo,but also social consciousness. It's Uranian/Aquarian like harmonic. Uranus involved in the configuration is the unconventional,innovative in the way that I think. Sedna (a transneptunian object that has the greatest average distance)involves environmental consciousness, "far out" nature of how I think which can be a problem with "normal" thinkers.

The 11th Harmonic configuration of Mercury,Mars,Saturn,Sedna,Uranus have corresponding midpoint pictures:
Mercury oppose Saturn/Sedna midpoint - '16
Sedna oppose Mercury/Uranus midpoint - '17
Mars oppose Mercury/Saturn midpoint - '50
Uranus oppose Mars/Saturn midpoint - '13

Of course, 3 of those 4 midpoint pictures reflect my thought processes because they involve Mercury in the midpoint picture.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/MercuryMercuryMarsSat urnUranusSedna11thharmonicconfig.gif

There is also
Mercury/Sedna midpoint oppose Saturn/Uranus midpoint - '01
It's a planetary picture. Hamburg School/Uranian Astrologers use planetary pictures. Mine stems from Mercury,Saturn,Uranus,and Sedna being in an 11th harmonic isosceles trapezoid
http://s134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/?action=view¤t= 11thHarmonicIsoscelesTrapezoid-1.gif

The problem is that people are pinning me down,looking at me through a 20th century lense, assuming stuff about me with tunnel-vision so to speak. There is a lot more to my thoughts and communication that they just don't understand. Of course, it frustrates and stresses me.

It's like how neurotypicals make assumptions and pin us neurodivergents without knowing a damned thing about how our minds operate, and it really irritates the hell out of us. That's one of the reasons we have the Neurodiversity Movement.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted August 25, 2010 03:21 PM         

Here is example of how I am in regards to using rebuttal,retorting,counterargument in regards to Neurodiversity.

In a certain Autistic/ADHD group, a lady got on my case because of my neurodiversity posts which I felt were relevant as they had to do with Autism and ADHD. What I wrote was mainly about history as a neurodivergent,how I benefited from early intervention therapies,and that my neurodivergence involves and not just weaknesses.

The lady told me like am I am an idiot that the board is a place for parents with to come get biomedical help for children with autism,ADHD,Down's Syndrome,etc and not a platform for neurodiverse adults who are quite happy with themselves to proselytize and try to tell us what is best for her and other's children. She said that if I am satisfied with my autism, she's very happy for me. I never said that I had autism,and so she didn't read my post properly. I said that I resembled an autistic when I was a little kid because of my speech problems and hypersensitivity. She said that her autistic child has serious medical issues as result of systematic poisoning that was inflicted on her, causing severe brain damage. She told me that I am lucky to that I am able to log on to Yahoo groups and express myself so eloquently. She told me that her daughter is not so lucky. She told me that she cannot have a verbal or written conversation,is in great physical pain and needs help from
wonderful and knowledgeable people like Willis,not a neurodivergent who thinks they know what she is feeling and thinking better than her own parents. She told me to go live my life and let us heal our children.

All that she wrote was just in response to my posts in regards to my neurodivergent history as well as when I responded to the owner of the group how I don't view my neurodivergence as a disorder and other neurodivergents don't either. I didn't tell anybody what anybody else should think. I am not against biomedical stuff either. I even posted about there could be differences between genetic neurodivergence and acquired neurodivergence. People feel threatened when others express alternative views. Just because a person expresses alternative views doesn't mean that they are telling other people what they should so. That seems to be a common accusation from people that don't like people expressing views that differ from theirs. People do this to others all the time. It's so damned Eristic (I am right and you're wrong, and so shut up, idiot, etc) that it's pitiful.

any ways this was my retort,rebuttal,counterargument to her post to me. Please keep in mind that my post was about standing up for myself and clearing up misunderstandings:

"I never even said that I had autism. Therefore, obviously you didn't read what I
wrote carefully.

"I said that I have Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD and that I resembled somebody with
autism with my speech problems and ultrasensitivity when I was a little kid and
was misplaced with the intellectually handicapped in 1st grade."

"I am not even proselytizing. I am only expressing my views just like other
people are like you just did. That's not a crime. I haven't told anybody that I
was right and others are wrong. I didn't tell people that they should do what I
do. I don't go that route."

"Expressing alternative viewpoints doesn't mean that a person is proselytizing.
There is no rules against people expressing different views."

"I never even said anything about your child. I never told you nor anybody else
what is best for your children. That's not for me to do. I only made points that
neurodivergence isn't necessarily a disorder but can be a difference."

"Different doesn't mean being deficient."

"I even made a post that genetic neurodivergence could be different from acquired neurodivergence."

"I don't believe that all neurodivergents are the same. I made that clear in my
post, Genetic Neurodivergence Or Acquired Neurodivergence. I even said that
treating all neurodivergents the same could be the problem. I even talked about
differences between types of ADHD and autism."

"I can express myself so eloquently because I am a neurodivergent with above
average intelligence and I had special therapies that remediated the weaknesses
of my Dyslexia, Dyspraxia."

"If it wasn't for auditory therapy, speech therapy, phonics training, and motor
skills therapy, I wouldn't be able to understand language/words. I would only
be a picture/visual thinker. I am primarily a visual,picture thinker.
Verbal,word thinking is my secondary mode of thinking."

"It's not a crime to express my views that neurodivergents aren't necessarily
deficient. It's not a crime for expressing my views that neurodivergents can
have strengths. It's not a crime for expressing my views for equal/civil rights
for neurodivergents. It's not a crime for me to defend myself and express that I
am not disordered nor defective because I am neurodivergent. I believe in
standing up for myself. That's what advocacy is about. Standing up for one's
rights.
Not everybody agrees on certain things, and so there will always be discord and
controversy because of the differing views of what is right and what is wrong.
That's a big problem among religions and politics."

"I am sorry that your autistic daughter has brain damage, but not all autistics
have brain damage. Many autistics don't want to be viewed as having brain
damage,defects,nor disorders. Many don't want to be cured. Many just want to be
accepted for who and what they are. They believe in neurodiversity. There is
even an Autistic Pride Day."

"However, I don't believe that all autistics are the same. I even expressed my
belief that some forms of autism can be acquired and could be caused by vaccines
and heavy metal poisoning."

"Therefore, you greatly misunderstood me. Just your mentioning about my
satisfaction with my autism showed you misunderstood me because I never even
said that I had autism."

"That's all I have to say."

"You have your views, and I have mine."

"I agree to disagree."

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Williss/message/12354

She never responded back.

Furthermore, another person responded in the thread and shared the same view as me. She even told me about her own children who have disabilities and did much better than specialists predicted. She was the only person that responded after my rebuttal,retort,counterargument.

also the description of the group is
"A place for parents to exchange ideas and experiences and find help for Autistic, Down's, and ADHD Kids, unrestricted by stringent *monitors*. I will personally counsel and advise if asked. There is no charge, but gratuities are accepted" http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Williss/

All I did was exchange ideas and experiences as a neurodivergent with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD. I was within the boundaries.

The concept of Neurodiversity is very controversial. That even talking about it threatens people that don't share the views of neurodiversity advocates. Neurodiversity Movement is a civil rights movement for people with neurological/learning differences.
There are neurodiversity advocates that have gotten death threats. I doubt that I will be any different. My approach to Neurodiversity is Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. approach and not a Malcolm X approach.

You can clearly see the Eristic in my communications if you took the time to see it instead of seeing me through a 20th century lense.

Zane Stein wrote the following keywords for Eris based on not only its name but also its Persephone/Proserpina orbit.
We can't just depend on the name for meaning. The orbit is also important.

"Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord; pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal, belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for truth; contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought processes to show the limitations of logic; identifying with, or trying to understand, first principles; incongruous juxtapositions to force one to think outside of the box; the ethics connected with one's motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless methods; the roots of one's motivations; piracy, defrauding, swindling; society's ethics; race intent." http://www.zanestein.com/keywords.html#Eris

please note some of his keywords:

1. fighting for one's rights

2. contrasting different perspectives

3. contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to seek similarities as well as differences

4. refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal, belief, cause, or object

5. the ethics connected with one's motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless methods

6. the subject/object of a debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to fight or disagree

Those aforementioned things are things that pertain to advocacy. That's even my whole entire point that I have been trying to explain with all my might. It should be so obvious in me,but that is only if you truly understand the Eristic energy.
It strongly influences my life that involves not fitting stereotypes, fighting for/embracing my multiracial identity/background,my interracial parentage and going against the one drop rule (you're part black,and so your black) including dealing with forms, my neurodivergence and my neurodiversity advocacy, my not fitting male stereotypes to the point that people think that I am gay which leads to supporting both women's rights and gay rights, and my not being Christian and have divergent religious/spiritual beliefs

Just my diverging which is just from being myself,standing up for myself always got me accused of me being wrong,stupid,or being harshly criticized,attacked,teased and just being plain misunderstood.

The Eris theme is so damned strong in me that it's not even funny.

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posted August 26, 2010 10:34 PM         

So the hell yeah...I am very serious. I am not too serious about it. I have the right to be serious about my neurodivergence and the compensation behind it because I don't want to be twisted and flipped to fit in with some astrological bias which doesn't even fit me. I am sure that there are lot of other neurodivergents that don't want that
either. Many of them don't believe in Astrology.

I constantly did everything to the best of my ability to express how I think and communicate and why and how I do it.

I feel that most people in the thread just dismiss and blow me off like I am stupid and don't know what I am talking about based on their own astrological biases without considering the true me. Stuff like that irritates the hell out of me!

I don't like being pinned down by people. I had enough of that in my life. I don't need fellow astrologers doing it to me. It really just increases my dislike for mainstream astrology when you look at me through a 20th Century lense, and I don't fit.

Please don't turn it around and try to make it like I don't know what I am talking about because you don't share my views.

I am not expecting everybody to accommodate me. Please don't assume my motivations,desires. That's another thing that gets on my nerves.

I just want understanding from people. That's the whole point of my explanations. That's what many neurodivergents want. That's what the Neurodiversity Movement is about. It's for striving to be understood and stop having their ways of thinking be misunderstood by others that are not like them.

I am only advocating for myself in regards to having my neurodivergence and compensation understood.

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posted August 26, 2010 10:45 PM         

I know with certain developmental disorders that this is lost on them -- don't know if it's the case with neurodivergents. It is with autism and PPD. So, I am trying to explain that you are misinterpreting it, to be kind and to put it in perspective, not to put you down.

I really think everyone here respects you and your knowledge. I know I do.

PS -- People have thought I was a scorpio and I have a really awful experience with a scorpio, but I didn't take it to mean I am SO like a scorpio. At first I was shocked, thinking, omg!, then I laughed at the irony, and then I thought about it, and 1. Maybe my experience with said scorp modified my behavior a bit in that way, because of my bad experience. 2. I have a lot of pluto aspects. 3. I have moon/venus in 8th. 4. my DC is scorp. Sometimes a bad experience with a certain sign will activate that sign in you due to the experience and it's not always a bad thing. I think we can both agree that no sign is all negative.

posted August 26, 2010 11:27 PM         

"I feel that most people in the thread just dismiss and blow "me off like I am stupid and don't know what I am talking about based on their own astrological biases without considering the true me. Stuff like that irritates the hell out of me!

I don't like being pinned down by people. I had enough of that in my life. I don't need fellow astrologers doing it to me. It really just increases my dislike for mainstream astrology when you look at me through a 20th Century lense, and I don't fit."

You are assuming. Period.

posted August 26, 2010 11:30 PM         

You people are trying to pin me down. My communications and mental processes aren't based on some Virgo thing. I already explained in a great detail,elaboration,and with heartfeltness,and with outside information so it can be understood.

"I know with certain developmental disorders that this is lost on them -- don't know if it's the case with neurodivergents. It is with autism and PPD. So, I am trying to explain that you are misinterpreting it, to be kind and to put it in perspective, not to put you down."

I am not misinterpreting it. I just don't agree. I don't share your view.
Maybe it's not lost on them. Maybe they just don't agree. Many neurodivergents are skeptical of Astrology. Many don't want to be pinned down by any system. Many of them don't want to be viewed as having a developmental disorder. That's the whole point of the Neurodiversity Movement.
When I am referring to neurodivergents aka neuro-diverse, I am referring to people that have Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD,Dyscalculia,Tourette Syndrome,Autistic Spectrum and related conditions. They are believed to be all part of a neurodivergent spectrum. It's not something that I made up. The stuff that I am talking about is based on DANDA.

Here is the Neurodiversity Diagram that shows how the neurodivergent conditions overlap with each other. http://www.danda.org.uk/media/General/Neuro-diversity%20diagram.pdf

This is based on Developmental Adult Neuro-Diversity Association (DANDA) which was founded by my fellow neurodivergent named Mary Colley that has Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD like I do. The non profit organization that I formed is based on DANDA. Without DANDA, there would be no DNA. Most neurodivergents have more than one condition that it's believed that neurodivergent conditions are part of a spectrum because there is much overlap and co-morbidity between them. Mary Colley definitely believes that.

When I was a child with severe Dyslexia and severe Dyspraxia, I resembled somebody with low functioning autism and got me misdiagnosed as mentally retarded and put in a special education classroom with mentally retarded children. Then later on in the school year, it was realized that I have above average intelligence and my IQ was far higher than anybody in the classroom that I was in.

Actually many autistics have above average intelligence. They are just given intelligence tests that require the use of verbal skills. Studies show that they do better on visual problem solving tests like Matrice Raven. They even tend to solve problems faster on those tests than people without autism.

Dyspraxia is very similar to autistic spectrum. There are some people think that Dyspraxia might be an autistic spectrum. Some say that about ADHD. Many Dyspraxics have ADHD.

This is what Dyspraxia is like in childhood. I was pretty much like this in early childhood. Things got better or should I say less extreme with special education therapies. http://www.dyspraxiausa.org/index.php/Early-Symptoms.html

One of things to be concerned about

fact: half of schizophrenics have a history of developmental delays in speech/language and/or motor skills/coordination.

Mary Colley told me that many neurodivergents have been diagnosed as schizophrenia and/or bipolar.

Symptoms/traits of neurodivergent conditions and psychiatric disorders overlap.

Therefore,it makes sense that astrological charts of neurodivergents are similar to the astrological charts of people with psychiatric disorders. Of course, this also means that the aspects that astrologers focus on as being psychiatric disorders can also be aspects for neurodivergence like Moon square Neptune which is an aspect that I have.

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posted August 27, 2010 12:09 AM         

I explained my thought processes and the way I communicate is based on compensation. I even included stuff from Dr. Levinson's book which fit me to a T. He actually examined me in 2005,and so he understands how I think. He is not even an astrologer. He's a neurologist/psychiatrist. I was visiting him as a neurologist at his clinic.

any ways...even after I had posted the Dr. Levinson stuff, people still didn't get what I was saying and try to twist into some Virgo thing and that irritated me even more.

They even turned my rebuttal/retort/counterargument into something Virgo. Even though it's something else. That irritated me even more. I made that point by posting dictionary information about rebuttal/retort/argument and dialectics. I also posted stuff on Eris because I feel that's stuff that I did is very Eristic and I am very strong in Eristic energy. I also explained even my Mercury,Mars,Saturn,Uranus,Sedna 11th harmonic configuration could reflect my way of thinking. I was trying to make a point about seeing me through a 20th century lense misses out on who I really am. Of course, I wanted to make clear about my mental processes as well as my compensation and special education therapies that made it possible for me to be able to communicate in words well.

I am not go further. I don't need my explanations twisted into Virgo stuff.

I am not going to post any more in this thread. I am not even go back to this thread. I know myself. I know that if I see somebody post something that I disagree with, I am going to get more irritated and have a strong urge to respond with a retort/rebuttal/counterargument which leaves me to more criticism which then would lead more retort/rebuttal/counterargument from me. I really don't need the stress.

I always had this belief that if I don't respond to what a person says that I don't agree with , then it would be like I concur with what he/she said.

but there is a time that you have to just shut up,let it go,and move on.

I am going to end my participation in this thread with:

"I agree to disagree.
You have your views,and I have mine."

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No..I am not a Virgo.