posted August 24, 2010 01:03 PM         

I agree with you 100 percent
Those are great points!

As for my acute attention to detail, I think that only applies to Astrology. That's fueled by my love,passion,obsession for Astrology and my desire to learn as much as I can about it and use it to help others. I am completely the opposite in general. That's what made school,home with my parents (my mother and stepfather),and the navy (bootcamp was damned nightmare!) difficult for me.

If anything, Astrology helped me pay attention to detail. You could say that Astrology helped me be more left-brained just like special education therapies did.

As for being detailed about myself and others, I think that's more about psychoanalysis which would be a Scorpio/Pluto-Charon system thing. Since I could ever remember, I use to want to know what made people tick. I'd even stare at people to try to figure them out to the point,it would unnerve them.

The truth is that I had very little self awareness about myself until I got into Astrology in 1998. This is to be expected,considering my past. I learned so much about myself to the point that it even bothered me. I was in the navy, and I was like "I can't be in the navy ,being the way that I am in regards to being a psychic,emotional sponge with Moon in Pisces and Moon square Neptune." I didn't know about that until I got into Astrology even though I always felt that I was easily influenced by my surroundings and once said bad attitudes spread like a disease as well as have an understanding of other's feelings and can feel them. I ended up on navy ships with poor morale,and it really effected me a great deal. I got into Astrology because I thought it was a cosmic form of Astrology,and I even told my mom. When I read my astrology reports, I didn't want to believe what I read. I read to my mother, and she agreed it was me. She said that a lot of it was her too. Of course, she and I are alike any way. After learning about her natal chart, it made sense that she and I were so much alike. Heck..I accurate guessed her moon sign being Scorpio because she was so much like Scorpio. When I read the stuff on Scorpio mother in a Scorpio book, I thought was reading all about my mother even though she has Sun in Gemini.

When I learned about Carl Jung and how he used Astrology for psychological insights, I start deeply delving into Astrology. Dr. Glenn Perry's Astro-Psychology textbooks were books that I learned a lot from.

I owe a lot to Astrology for helping me understand myself. I gave back by using Astrology to help people understand themselves too. I felt that I've been a good psychological astrologer.

Learning about neurodivergent conditions and that I have them in 2003 helped me understand myself a lot more. I no longer thought of myself as being stupid. It helped me realize that I was misdiagnosed by psychiatrists. It also helped me realize that they run strong in my family. It helped me understand not only my mother better but also especially my biological father.

I never felt that mainstream Astrology helped me understand my neurodivergence.

I felt that studying Pluto's fellow transneptunian objects gave me the answers that I seek.

With each discovery of a big transneptunian object, came more knowledge and understanding of myself. That made sense because I am very strong in these objects overall. Out of all the named big transneptunian objects besides Pluto-Charon binary system (Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion), Makemake is the only energy that I am not strong in.

It took learning about these objects to understand my main life purpose.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 24, 2010 01:09 PM         

It's because I don't have an opinion of just one sign that I think any person on Earth is

I just view us all as combination of things which we are any way.

That's always how I approached Astrology.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 24, 2010 01:24 PM         

nope, not Cancerian in the least.

Funnily my best friend also thought I was a Cancer when she met me (and I only have retro Saturn in Cancer).

In her case I do understand it though as my nameasteroid in her chart is in Cancer.

posted August 24, 2010 02:03 PM         

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Lexx - Siva (but the next best thing is Scorpio)

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posted August 24, 2010 03:47 PM         

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It's like how certain people who don't share my political beliefs tried to fit me into the Marxist box because I am a liberal Democrat that voted for Barack Obama.

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Are you serious??

For sure, I see Virgo in you.

posted August 24, 2010 03:55 PM         

heck.....even jwhop, who is a conservative,Republican accused me of being part of a racist voting block that voted for Barack Obama. Jwhop goes on and on about Barack being a Marxist Socialist. Because of that, he tells me that I am one too. That was in Global Unity section in Linda Goodman forum.

how do you see Virgo in me?

I don't see how using similes make me look Virgo

that's quite of a stretch

heck..I'd use a lot of similes and metaphors when I wrote a lot of poetry

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 24, 2010 03:57 PM         

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Belgz,
you are one of these folks who are like: "Oh there is a red button over there! and it says: Do NOT touch.
Hmm, I think I gotta press that one and see what is going to explode", aren`t you?

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I love this.

I was thinking a fire sign for Belgz, because of that. My best friend since the age of eleven is a Cancer Sun/Cappie Moon, but she has Mars/Jupiter in Aries and Venus in Leo - it's a great bubbly, fun, and friendly/gentle mixture. We used to laugh a lot.

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Ami Ann: Most people want to be seen for WHO their soul really is, if that makes sense. Not for their reputation, their past/history, not for what family they come from or where they were born.

Nobody has seen the beautiful person you are in all its entirety, inside and out and really, it can make someone feel like they're 1cm tall and I feel hurt in my heart when I hear of someone suffering this kind of lonely pain. NO ONE should be lonely and feeling alone and alienated from everyone else.
We are all one and all feel the same thing, love, hurt, fear, joy, pain..
I have a lot of love in my heart and it took a long time of hurting to fully embracing it and giving back what the universe has given to me, which are the gifts of understanding, empathy and compassion. These are my greatest strengths and everybody else's too.

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posted August 24, 2010 04:05 PM         

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But believe me sometime in RL and when I am reading here, I would like to EXPLODE and shout and stomp my feet, like I did when I was a little girl and something annoyed me (I would let myself fall to earth and shout and kick and scream and turn round and round on the ground - I even did that at shopping malls. lol

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I was thinking the same thing the other day. There are times - especially this year - when I've just wanted to throw myself down on the floor in a tantrum that would make any dramatic person proud (or maybe shudder). But nobody else needs that.

posted August 24, 2010 04:42 PM         

x o Ami

posted August 24, 2010 04:45 PM         

Your fave dining in girl,

Ami

posted August 24, 2010 05:26 PM         

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how do you see Virgo in me?

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posted August 24, 2010 05:40 PM         

That's not being Virgo.

That's just trying to explain to the best of my ability so people can understand me well because I am sick and tired of people misunderstanding and pidgeon-hole me.

Of course, I try to be as clear,detailed,and coherent as possible in order for people to understand me.

I don't want to across stupid,incoherent,crazy, nor not knowing what I am talking about.

Please forgive me that I had special education therapies that helped me to communicate in words well.

If I didn't have my special education therapies,then do I come across as Pisces?

I mean.....damn......

Do everybody that write books,articles, or can write a legible,detailed coherent paragraph like normal literate are Virgo too?

What about everybody that have a college degree? It takes great writing skills and attention to detail to get an academic degree with all the writing assignments. Does that make them Virgo too?

Because of going by your logic, that must be the case.

Damn......should I write in Ebonics??

Heck..I often got criticized by a lot of blacks for sounding white when I talked because I spoke proper English which was the result of having intensive speech therapy.
That was ridiculous.

Pinning me down as being Virgo because I can write well (also the result of special education therapies) is ridiculous.

Maybe Astrology really does work because of the Forer Effect as in Astrology can be so general that it can apply to almost anybody.

Any so-called Virgo traits can be learned.
In my case, they were learned from being raised by my stepfather,special education/therapist/teachers, and the navy. They are not something that come natural to me.

btw....3rd house is communications. My Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,Neptune are in 3rd house.

It could be more about my 3rd house and not Virgo.

Categories are a way of mainstream life.
A lot of people categorize things.
Astrology is based on categorizing things.
Obviously Astrologers must come across as Virgos with their grasp of Astrology.

I see people do it in this forum with asteroids.

I am no different.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted August 24, 2010 06:15 PM         

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BM: LOL maybe its a cancer intuition thing hahaha sometimes I've suspected the crabs claws are actually antennas for picking up interesting info lol
Hm well they do say that nursing is a cancerian job and that if your are not the typical cancer "mother" type then that you will be through some other avenue.
The Virgo-ness would give you the ability to be professional about your job and keep it professional by keeping your emotions in check while you're doing your job whereas someone with heavy cancer (like me, sun..mars & mercury lol) would get too attached and involved and be too busy crying and empathising with their patients and wanting to take them all home to look after them
My problem bigtime hehehe

As for moi, watery Arian/Fiery cancerian made my smile I quite like that. Some people think I'm more watery-airy (3rd house sun, Air moon maybe? haha). I'm one of those ppl that could be anything at any given time depending on the situation and circumstances.

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Oh, I'm just as bad as you: Sun, Mercury, Chiron, and Juno ALL in Cancer. Its like a 6th house pity party....minus my sun. Tbh, there are certain settings I cannot work in(like long term/Geriatric). Because in the long run, the emotions intensity of the situations there drain the hell out of me. I've floated to those type of Units a number of times and by the time morning comes around, I'm exhausted in so many ways. More power to the people who work in that setting because I have no idea how they do it. I'll stick to what I love and that's Pediatrics. You're right though, the Virgo Moon keeps me from falling apart at the seams, even when I want to. =__=

And I do sense the air in you sometimes, but to me the Fire and water are more apparent. You give off alot of warmth on first impression, and you have that independant spirit mixed with compassion.

posted August 24, 2010 07:05 PM         

Is it a bad thing to come off as a Virgo, or to be perceived as such? "

Hi Unmoved.

No not at all.

I just don't like when people try to pin me down as Virgo because of some things that I do that can apply to anybody (Forer Effect).
The Virgo traits aren't something that are natural to me.

If I truly did have strong Virgo traits, heck...I wouldn't have weaknesses in them that led to problems at home,school,and the navy.

If anything, I'd actually love to have strong Virgo traits.

I think that my compensate is more about my Mercury contraparallel Saturn (Mercury oppose Saturn in declination longitude equivalent) and my retrograde Saturn in Gemini.

according to Dr. Harold Levinson that I saw in New York in 2005:

"Paradoxically, some dyslexics were found to demonstrate highly organized, crystal-clear thinking and expressive styles. Upon
analysis, many of these individuals were found to have had subtle and compensated speech impediments during their early childhood. In retrospect, their highly condensed speech patterns appeared to be
defensive or adaptive attempts at minimizing speech output and thinking errors. Although these dyslexics were often incapable of
spontaneous free-associative and reflective speech, they were more than capable of performing these same very same functions in silence.
For example, when asked to freely think aloud about a question, they could not or would not. But they could, and would,invariably produce
the answer after a silent pause----clearly demonstrating their highly developed, silent associative and reflective thinking capacities.
Following recognition and resolution of their guarded or defensive speech mechanisms, many learned to think aloud and to express themselves without embarassed or fear of criticism. Later adult stories not only confirmed these observations but revealed the existence of dyslexics who were capable of free association and reflection only when writing. Their fluent and lucid writing styles appeared to be motivated similarly by dyslexic verbalization
difficulties which were compensated for by gifted and/or unhampered writing functions. "
http://people.tribe.net/4b0cf8c4-1fc3-4171-92d3-b0915985bf95/blog/30374e 65-6843-4843-b689-d30a34ae8e54

I can related to everything above. My writing style is based on compensation and special education therapy remediation.

Reading Dr. Levinson's books helped me understand myself. That's why I flew all the way to New York to get examined by him. I knew that he would understand me,and I was right.

BTW...That was in 2005 around the time that the discovery of Eris was announced.

Being competent in language because of compensation and special education therapies doesn't make me Virgo-like. Like I said before, people with Aspergers Syndrome and High Functioning Autism greatly surpass me in the things that people on this accuse me of being Virgo. Those things come natural to them. They don't come natural to me. People with Aspergers develop very good language skills naturally which was something that I didn't do that I had to get speech therapy.

I have only a high school diploma and the highest math that I completed in satisfactory way was Pre-Algebra.

I had problems with Algebra because it's so linear. In the book, THE RIGHTBRAINED CHILDREN IN A LEFTBRAINED WORLD (a book about ADHD), I read that Algebra tends to be difficult for rightbrained children because Algebra is so linear. Even Temple Grandin told me that she had problems with Algebra. She said that it tends to be difficult for picture thinkers. I am rightbrained,picture thinker. I got so discouraged with Algebra to the point that I didn't want to learn any other types of math even though Geometry is a type of mathematics that is supposed to be easy for the rightbrained,picture thinker. Like the author said of the book said, Geometry gets taught in a leftbrained way. Seeing a buch of letters and numbers confuse the hell out of me. I always had difficult remembering formulas too. There is a lot of sequence in math. Processing a sequence tends to be an issue with people that have Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and/or ADHD.

I can't calculate charts by hand. It was the main reason that I didn't complete the American Federation of Astrologers course that I first took in 1998. Thank god for computer programs like Solar Fire which I have. My strength is in interpretation.

I am very sure that most people here probably are much better mathematicians than me.

but yeah...I am a lot less Virgo-like than people think. I think that I know myself through my life experiences.

I think that they are just seeing my Mercury contraparallel Saturn.

After all, Mercury is the planet of communications.

This is a forum where we interact through communicating.

I'd think that Mercury sign,house,placement,and aspects would give the impression how we come across in communications

My Mercury is in Scorpio in 3rd

my Mercury aspects are complex

the only aspect that my Mercury makes in longitude is a conjunction to Venus

but

in the declinations,
parallel Venus
parallel Neptune
contraparallel Saturn

if you consider the transneptunians that were discovered in the 21st Century,
square Makemake

if you consider minor aspects,
biquintile Eris
11th harmonic configuration with Mars,Saturn,Uranus,Sedna,and Ascendant

if you consider geocentric planetary nodes,
sextile Geocentric North Venus Node
sextile Geocentric South Saturn Node
sextile Geocentric South Pluto Node

In Right Ascension,
square Ceres
sextile Ascendant

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted August 24, 2010 07:26 PM         

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Wink- Saggie, saggie, saggie, which is why me love her.

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Love ya too!

I'm a Saggie ASC btw which splains that.
Virgo Sun, Cancer Moon

posted August 24, 2010 08:07 PM         

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I think it's incredibly funny that you're handling being called virgoan like a virgo would -- with very detailed logical arguments and with such precision. It's so ironic.

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posted August 24, 2010 08:20 PM         

Ami
Maybe I have it wrong. Tell me, Raymond ,if I do.