posted August 23, 2010 03:42 PM         

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Teasel- water, but I flip between Pisces and Scorpio. You want some Aries infusion, you can certainly have mine, my head is numb from.. ^ see pic above.

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LOL. I can relate to that picture, too, at times. Aries get over most things pretty fast, though. I've always thought that was one of the good things - an occasional hot temper, but it doesn't last long (unless there's an ongoing bone of contention). I need the cheerful, energetic part. Just a top up.

posted August 23, 2010 03:57 PM         

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Ami: Again, Cancer. The sort of qualities you have..like your warmth, empathy, unconditional compassion, emotional support as well as the "little girl lost" with the "mummy dearest" syndrome so many Cancer girls go through, as well as the maternal quality you exude in contrast (must be the Gemini thing hehe..contrasts and polar opposites).
Maybe also Pisces, as you are the one who asks the big questions that we all ask ourselves in your quest for enlightenment and inner peace and integrating everything to whole once again. Its inspirational because you're not just talking about yourself but get everyone talking about this awesome stuff..kinda like the big philosophers in ancient times hahahaha

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Dear Diablo
I really wanted to thank you for these words.
In life, I, and perhaps others, don't get people who SEE them very often.
It is a rarity that someone even stops and looks at you and says, in some form , "I see you."
I feel that you did this here and it gives me a sense that I can go on.
It is not that I would have stopped going on but that it was seeming very long and trudging and I was feeling very tired.

I think you have a special gift, Diablo, that is way beyond seeing me.
I think you can touch someone and their burden gets a little lighter.

I think, quite simply, it is being able to love.
*I* needed that love,badly, today, very badly.
The funny thing was, I didn't have to ask but you provided it, unasked for.

That was you, in partnership, with God, as I see it.
God says He will never give us more than we can handle.
Everyone's answer to that is ,"Yeah, but you bring me right up to the edge" lol
I don't think He does it ,just life, people's flaws, our own flaws etc.

I just wanted to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your loving words, today, Diablo, my girlfriend if I swung that way

Love,

Ami

posted August 23, 2010 04:30 PM         

Popcorn--Strong sense of self--Fire(which one I am not sure) I would guess Sag
Earth--some but not the predominant perhaps some Taurus
Air some,perhaps, Libra
Water,some again Scorpio

Mir--Air--first--Libra
Next water---Pisces
Earth and Fire--the lesser elements
Perhaps Leo for fire
For earth--I am not sure lol

Winged Leo
Fire , Baby, but you gave it away with the name lol
I can feel water ,too, perhaps Scorpio.
For earth,I would say Taurus, a centering , grounding energy.

x o x
Ami

posted August 23, 2010 04:35 PM         

Ami seems Pisces/Libra.

Valus seems like an Aqua.

Letram - Cap

PDF is Leo/Sag

Lara is Leo (in the her ASC debate threads I was sure she was a Leo Rising)

Dyna seems like a Sag

posted August 23, 2010 04:38 PM         

Oh thank you AMI. You are so kindly. You really love everyone.

I am not worrying about that. Sorry but I've not any need of to be guessed on .....

posted August 23, 2010 05:20 PM         

What's your Ascendant?

Oh, right, it's Virgo.

Seriously, friend...

You go on and on.. and on...

Categorizing, listing, analyzing...

diagnosing, prescribing, explaining..

I'm sorry, but I see it.

I definitely see it.

Valus,

Going on and on.......how is that Virgo?..........That could my obsessiveness in regards to Dyspraxia. Many Dyspraxics tend to go off on a tangent and go on about stuff. They are similar with to Aspergers in that way. It could also be my hyperfocusing in regards to my ADHD. You could say that the obsessiveness and hyperfocusing comes from Scorpio, especially if you consider the intensity and passion. However, I doubt all Dyspraxics and ADHDers have strong Scorpio influences.

That same obsessiveness and hyperfocusing that helps me to study,deeply immerse myself,and be good at things that I am interested in whether it's Astrology, Mythology, or World History.

Categorizing,listing,and analyzing can be a basic human trait.
It's a part of people studying,wanting to understand things,make things organized,having things make sense and getting things straight.

A lot of astrologers do that. That doesn't mean that they are being Virgo-like.

Take for example my interest in transneptunian objects:
I am very strong in these objects, and so I study and learn about these objects. The discoveries of these objects corresponded with understanding myself and my path.
Many people study about certain things to help them understand themselves.
Look at how many people with psychiatric disorders problems study psychology and psychiatry to understand about their psychiatric disorders.
Look at how many people get involved in metaphysical subjects to help them understand their metaphysical orientation.
I do that with neurodivergence because I am a neurodivergent.
I do that with Black History because I am part Black.
I do that with European History because I am part European.
I am a very curious,inquisitive person (I used to get in trouble a lot for getting into things that I wasn't supposed too) that likes to research,investigate,and get to the bottom of things.
I also want to progress and change with the times which I feel that I should do as an astrologer, and so I yearn for a 21st Century Astrology.
I hope one day that Astrological community and Astronomical community finally bridge the gap between them.

It's not some Virgo thing.

I don't do diagnosing. I certainly don't diagnose others. I am not a doctor and diagnoses can be wrong.

If you referring to my own diagnoses
I have a history of being misdiagnosed. I was misdiagnosed as mentally retarded in early childhood. I was misdiagnosed as having bipolar disorder w/ schizoaffective disorder in adulthood by psychiatrists. Both of those things were because they didn't understand my neurodivergence.
So hell yeah...I am concerned about getting accurate diagnoses! I didn't know about neurodivergent conditions until 2003. I started reading a lot about them. I fought against my psychiatric misdiagnoses, and I even stood up and defend myself against a psychiatrist with a DSM-IV psychiatric manual by pointing out that irritability is not just a symptom of mania but also a symptom of depression and anxiety.

I don't mind referring to myself as neurodivergent,dyslexic,dyspraxic,ADHD. It's better than all the other labels that I had like "retard" , "stupid", "idiot", "dummy", and "crazy", "airhead which is how my neurodivergence has been labeled. Besides, I don't see neurodivergence,dyslexia,dyspraxia,ADHD as disorders any way. That's part of my neurodiversity views. Therefore, those labels don't bother me.

According to your logic, does every person that wants an accurate diagnoses after a history of getting misdiagnoses and being unfarily labeled things are Virgo-like?
I don't think so!

what prescribing? I am confused about that. I don't even advocate for prescription medications. I also don't tell people what they should do. That's up for them to decide.

How does explaining something have anything to do with Virgo? That's the thing that really bothers me

My explaining stems from a common basic psychological need to be understood. That's something that I always wanted for myself because of my past of being greatly misunderstood that includes misdiagnoses and labeling and judging me based on biases.
That's not Virgo. That's being human.

How can you seriously address me as friend when you pin me down?

You of all people don't want to be pinned down. Therefore, why pin me down? Do you see me ever trying to pin you down? No. I appreciate that I be given the same consideration.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 23, 2010 05:49 PM         

Popcorn,

I am extremely Neptunian, and I feel people don't get me.

I am strong believer that we shouldn't judge a person by its cover....especially not on the internet.

I am a perfect example of it.

People can be different things on the internet.

I am very shy,introverted,emotional,sensitive type

When I am on the internet, I can come across as the opposite........unless I am passionate,intense, or angry about certain thing.

I also find when I am passionate,intense,or angry about something, it considerably decreases my shyness. It's probably because I am hyperfocusing and being obsessive at the moment that makes me lose focus of my inadequacies and conscientiousness leading to lose fear which is underlying trait of shyness.

I have a natural fear of being hurt because I am ultrasensitive person as well as I have been hurt many times whether it's physically or mentally. I don't like hurting others. I tend to cry very easily. When I was a child, I'd cry easily. I was the "crybaby." a lot. A lot of special education needs/neurodivergent children are a lot more emotional,sensitive than the average child any way. I definitely was no different. As I got older, I cried less in front of others and lashed out with anger. I cussed. I fought a lot. I was suspended from school 5 times for fighting. I cry a lot by myself even until this very day. In society,"males aren't supposed to cry.....only females can" I never fit the male stereotype any way,and that always got me picked,teased,and misjudged by others. That really sucked with females. I have high estrogen levels and lower than average testosterone. I even have the very feminine finger ratios (long index fingers longer than ringer fingers) suggesting exposed to more estrogen than in my mother's womb. I get so irritated about "males are this and females are that", and I roll my eyes.

I think that I am very watery and Pisces-like.

I am a lot like my biological father who had Moon in Pisces even though I never knew the man. I am a lot like my mother who has Sun in 12th trine Neptune and has a lot of water in her chart including Ascendant,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,Uranus in Cancer along with Moon and Saturn in Scorpio.

She gets upset more easily than I do. She's indeed an extreme sensitive,emotional type. From what my mom told me, my father was too. Interestingly, both parents neurodivergent. Like I said before, neurodivergents tend to be a lot more sensitive,average than the average person.

I don't see how anybody could think that I am Virgo or airy

I even have problems relating to people that have strong Virgo and/or airy traits. I don't get along well with them.

but yeah

don't judge a book by its cover

with Neptune, things aren't always what they seem

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 23, 2010 06:00 PM         

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I wouldn't say Capricorn for you, BM..to me you're very deep and very strong, both in your convictions and morals. Also I can sense the watery emotion that's in you (where the deepness comes, I guess haha) but you're very grounded.
I would have said Aries too, just because I have found that Aries females (and there are many in my life lol) are very strong and independent but very grounded at the same time. Aries also reminds me of Leo and Cancer in how maternal they are..not like, mothering anyone but go to an Aries house and its all, "are you comfortable, do want something to drink? You cold/hot? Need me to come pick you up? I'll bring you maccas if you're hungry (all true examples)", they care for everyone and DO go out of their way to help their friends, almost in an aggressive manner hahaha
The only other reason is cos when I think Aries, I think of greek mythology and I think of warrior goddesses like Athena, Artemis, Diana (roman version) or even Xena warrior princess hahahaha

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OMGAH, XENA WAS MY IDOL. Lucy Lawless happens to be an Aries too...hahahaha. You are the first person to sense anything besides my Capricorn Ascendant....perhaps its a Cancer thing.

And the one place my Maternal Cancer side comes out is probably in the Nursery (where I occasionally work). Or perhaps maybe its really my Moon trine Neptune? Apparently Moon/Neptune aspects gives one the ability to want to nurture ALL children, not just their own. But I do like to look after people in Practical Virgoan ways (being hostesslike)....and my Sun's depositor is in Virgo.

Tbh, to me, you're like a watery Arien (see: Heath Ledger and Teasel...LOL). Or maybe I should be saying, Fiery Cancer...hahaha. People say water and fire is such an unstable mix in a person, and sometimes I feel that it is with my Aries Mars...LOL. But in the end, it gives water people the directness they need, and it softens the delivery of the fire person. So its reallly not so bad.

posted August 23, 2010 06:25 PM         

I'm a merk/uran/pluto in virgo. I do not write like you at all but in my own language I've no problem at all to write. I think everyone if they compare you and me see big difference. I've strong virgo not you.

If I remember right I also think you have your moon on my Draconic moon/nessus in pisces. My exhusband was an strong neptun individual and he was also philosophic, shy and silent in his nature.

When he write he looks like one another individual.

My best friend he is SAG , merk SAG, moon in aries, venus Capricorn/mars capricorn and he cant write at all.. Every time I get a mail or SMS I ignore it. He are one another person when I meeting him alive.

The most people are more interesting in the real life.

I'm also strong neptun just because my interesting of astrology and because I'm medial and see aura and also have healing hands.

posted August 23, 2010 07:03 PM         

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I also find when I am passionate,intense,or angry about something, it considerably decreases my shyness. It's probably because I am hyperfocusing and being obsessive at the moment that makes me lose focus of my inadequacies and conscientiousness leading to lose fear which is underlying trait of shyness.

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Me too, Glaucus.

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they care for everyone and DO go out of their way to help their friends, almost in an aggressive manner hahaha

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posted August 23, 2010 07:16 PM         

Peri, you feeling Pisces from me SHOCKED me beyond belief.

Wow!

posted August 23, 2010 07:25 PM         

If you read a lot of Greek/Roman mythology like I have, you would know that my nickname,Glaucus is the name of the fisherman turned minor seagod in Greek myths.
In 2000,I chose the nickname (chat on irc....I was a regular in #Astrology on Undernet) to reflect my strong Pisces/Neptune influence and my fascination with merfolk.

Glaucus (Greek: Γλαῦκος was a Greek sea-god. His parentage is different in the different traditions, which Athenaeus lists (Athen. vii. c. 48, Claud. de Nupt. Mar. x. 158.):

* Theolytus the Methymnaean, in his Bacchic Odes - Copeus (also records an affair between Glaucus and Ariadne)
* Promathides of Heraclea, in his Half Iambics - Polybus of Sicyon (by his wife Euboea)
* Mnaseas, in Book III of his History of the Affairs of Europe - Anthedon and Alcyone
* Euanthes, in his Hymn to Glaucus - Poseidon and the nymph Naias

Origins

According to Ovid, Glaucus began life as a mortal fisherman living in the Boeotian city of Anthedon. He discovered by accident a magical herb which could bring the fish he caught back to life, and decided to try eating it. The herb made him immortal, but also caused him to grow fins instead of arms and a fish's tail instead of legs (though some versions say he simply became a merman), forcing him to dwell forever in the sea. Glaucus was initially upset by this side-effect, but Oceanus and Tethys received him well and he was quickly accepted among the deities of the sea, learning from them the art of prophecy.

Glaucus fell in love with the beautiful nymph Scylla, but she was appalled by his fish-like features and fled onto land when he tried to approach her. He asked the witch Circe for a potion to make Scylla fall in love with him, but Circe fell in love with him. She tried to win his heart with her most passionate and loving words, telling him to scorn Scylla and stay with her. But he replied that trees would grow on the ocean floor and seaweed would grow on the highest mountain before he would stop loving Scylla. In her anger, Circe poisoned the pool where Scylla bathed, transforming her into a terrible monster with twelve feet and six heads. In Euripides' play Orestes, Glaucus was a son of Nereus and says that he assisted Menelaus on his homeward journey with good advice. He also helped the Argonauts. It was believed that he commonly came to the rescue of sailors in storms, having once been one himself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaucus

This is the Kaballarians site.
What it said about Glaucus is so damned dead on about me. I can relate to all the positive and negative stuff.

# Your name of Glaucus is a dual influence: at times you can be extremely happy, expressive, full of fun, and good-natured; yet at other times you find congenial association impossible, being controlled by self-pity, moods, and depression.

# If you could express only the constructive qualities and restrain the negative qualities of your nature, you would always be good company.

# These contrasting qualities make it difficult for people to understand you and can lead to friction in your personal life.

# You are deep, philosophical, and refined, but your extremely sensitive nature causes you to become depressed over any real or imagined slight.

# Although the name Glaucus creates an interest in the deeper aspects of life, we emphasize that it frustrates you through a scattered and emotional nature.
http://www.kabalarians.com/Male/glaucus.htm

There is an asteroid called Glaukos too!

I checked the asteroid and its geocentric nodes. The nodes are also relevant because it has to do with the orbit. Nodes are just the intersection of orbital planes. Therefore, all objects have nodes in relation to other objects.

I don't like looking at charts from one perspective because the sky goes beyond ecliptic longitude which what astrologers mainly focus on. Astronomers look at right ascension and declination. There are other coordinates to measures objects in the sky like horizon,azimuth,and prime vertical.

I like to look at things from multiple perspectives. It's more about multidimensional perspective,views than it is about detailed analysis. It mirrors how I perceive things. When I look at an object and see a certain side of it,I automatically visualize that I am seeing all sides of the object. I manipulate and rotate things in my mind's eye. My visualization is what I use to compensate for coordination/motor skill difficulties as I plan out and visualize my actions like a movie before I carry out the action. It helps with checkers and chess too.

So I hope that I set the record straight about the Virgo-detail stuff.

any ways

in my chart

Glaukos in 26'04 Libra in 2nd
trine Mars in 25'54 Aquarius in 6th

Geocentric North Glaukos Node in 2'01 Libra in 1st
sextile Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd

Geocentric South Glaukos Node in 17'53 Pisces in 7th
trine Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd

The Glaukos aspect and geocentric Glaukos node aspects fit with my 10 year internet persona as Glaucus. Mars in 6th trine Glaukos fits with my military service in US Navy. I didn't know about this stuff until after I took the name.

Everything happens for a reason and the asteroids and their nodes seem to be great at showing that.
http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

------------------
Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 23, 2010 07:25 PM         

If you read a lot of Greek/Roman mythology like I have, you would know that my nickname,Glaucus is the name of the fisherman turned minor seagod in Greek myths.
In 2000,I chose the nickname (chat on irc....I was a regular in #Astrology on Undernet) to reflect my strong Pisces/Neptune influence and my fascination with merfolk.

Glaucus (Greek: Γλαῦκος was a Greek sea-god. His parentage is different in the different traditions, which Athenaeus lists (Athen. vii. c. 48, Claud. de Nupt. Mar. x. 158.):

* Theolytus the Methymnaean, in his Bacchic Odes - Copeus (also records an affair between Glaucus and Ariadne)
* Promathides of Heraclea, in his Half Iambics - Polybus of Sicyon (by his wife Euboea)
* Mnaseas, in Book III of his History of the Affairs of Europe - Anthedon and Alcyone
* Euanthes, in his Hymn to Glaucus - Poseidon and the nymph Naias

Origins

According to Ovid, Glaucus began life as a mortal fisherman living in the Boeotian city of Anthedon. He discovered by accident a magical herb which could bring the fish he caught back to life, and decided to try eating it. The herb made him immortal, but also caused him to grow fins instead of arms and a fish's tail instead of legs (though some versions say he simply became a merman), forcing him to dwell forever in the sea. Glaucus was initially upset by this side-effect, but Oceanus and Tethys received him well and he was quickly accepted among the deities of the sea, learning from them the art of prophecy.

Glaucus fell in love with the beautiful nymph Scylla, but she was appalled by his fish-like features and fled onto land when he tried to approach her. He asked the witch Circe for a potion to make Scylla fall in love with him, but Circe fell in love with him. She tried to win his heart with her most passionate and loving words, telling him to scorn Scylla and stay with her. But he replied that trees would grow on the ocean floor and seaweed would grow on the highest mountain before he would stop loving Scylla. In her anger, Circe poisoned the pool where Scylla bathed, transforming her into a terrible monster with twelve feet and six heads. In Euripides' play Orestes, Glaucus was a son of Nereus and says that he assisted Menelaus on his homeward journey with good advice. He also helped the Argonauts. It was believed that he commonly came to the rescue of sailors in storms, having once been one himself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaucus

This is the Kaballarians site.
What it said about Glaucus is so damned dead on about me. I can relate to all the positive and negative stuff.

# Your name of Glaucus is a dual influence: at times you can be extremely happy, expressive, full of fun, and good-natured; yet at other times you find congenial association impossible, being controlled by self-pity, moods, and depression.

# If you could express only the constructive qualities and restrain the negative qualities of your nature, you would always be good company.

# These contrasting qualities make it difficult for people to understand you and can lead to friction in your personal life.

# You are deep, philosophical, and refined, but your extremely sensitive nature causes you to become depressed over any real or imagined slight.

# Although the name Glaucus creates an interest in the deeper aspects of life, we emphasize that it frustrates you through a scattered and emotional nature.
http://www.kabalarians.com/Male/glaucus.htm

There is an asteroid called Glaukos too!

I checked the asteroid and its geocentric nodes. The nodes are also relevant because it has to do with the orbit. Nodes are just the intersection of orbital planes. Therefore, all objects have nodes in relation to other objects.

I don't like looking at charts from one perspective because the sky goes beyond ecliptic longitude which what astrologers mainly focus on. Astronomers look at right ascension and declination. There are other coordinates to measures objects in the sky like horizon,azimuth,and prime vertical.

I like to look at things from multiple perspectives. It's more about multidimensional perspective,views than it is about detailed analysis. It mirrors how I perceive things. When I look at an object and see a certain side of it,I automatically visualize that I am seeing all sides of the object. I manipulate and rotate things in my mind's eye. My visualization is what I use to compensate for coordination/motor skill difficulties as I plan out and visualize my actions like a movie before I carry out the action. It helps with checkers and chess too.

So I hope that I set the record straight about the Virgo-detail stuff.

any ways

in my chart

Glaukos in 26'04 Libra in 2nd
trine Mars in 25'54 Aquarius in 6th

Geocentric North Glaukos Node in 2'01 Libra in 1st
sextile Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd

Geocentric South Glaukos Node in 17'53 Pisces in 7th
trine Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd

The Glaukos aspect and geocentric Glaukos node aspects fit with my 10 year internet persona as Glaucus. Mars in 6th trine Glaukos fits with my military service in US Navy. I didn't know about this stuff until after I took the name.

Everything happens for a reason and the asteroids and their nodes seem to be great at showing that.
http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

------------------
Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 23, 2010 08:26 PM         

I called you "friend"
because you're my friend on Facebook
and I think of you as a friend.

I really didn't mean to offend you,
and I don't think I'm pinning you down.

I certainly see more than "just Virgo",
but, yes, I seem to see Virgo clearly.

It is your Ascendant, so,
there's no point debating that.

I'm sorry I don't feel invested enough
to bury myself in your response right now,
but I'm sure it's well thought-out.

You always have good things to say
and I have plenty of respect for you.

You know I admire your work
on neurodivergence.

I wish you the best,

posted August 24, 2010 04:03 AM         

Peri: Libra\Pisces (because you are charming, warm and sensitive and always striving for balance)
IQhunk: Gemini (For your hugely diverse and intelligent mind and friendly demeanor)

posted August 24, 2010 07:41 AM         

I am going with feeling flattered. AFter all we are said to develop into the next sign, and since I am a Sag, I must have done a good job.

LEXX,

I can see that mix of Cap / Aqua in myself, too. It`s my Venus-Moon "dilemma".

You have no idea how messy I really am.
But at least I Have the decendy to feel guilty about it.

Forgive me if I forget some people, but these came to mind:

Peri: Gemini/Libra/Pisces (I can`t decide)
Meta: Scorpio/Aqua/ Pisces
Valus: Scorpio/Aqua/(Taurus)
Lexx: Scorpio/Capricorn
Lara: Aries/Taurus/Leo (more Aries/Leo than Taurus though)
Ami Ann: Scorpio/Cancer
Jane: Sagittarius/Scorpio/Libra (Don`t hit me, please? )
IQ: Virgo/Aries with some Uranian influence thrown in there (your desk may be messy, but your mind is not. And I am surprised noone mentioned your "leader /pioneer -traits" here.)
Peace Angel: Aries / Aquarius
Spanky: Sagittarius / Libra
Yin: Sagittarius / Libra / and some very loyal earth

posted August 24, 2010 07:52 AM         

So far I've gotten a Leo, Sag and 2 "OBVIOUSLY AQUA." can't complain about any of those but the Leo is interesting. Sag is the strongest sign in my chart (according to the pullen method): My sun and mercury are in my 9th and my sun's dispositors are in Sag. And I'm an Aqua sun/mercury with Uranus on the DSC. I have nothing in leo except BML but i have a 5th house Moon.

posted August 24, 2010 08:06 AM         

You know what would be interesting ,too, to see if people picked your moon , ASC or a strong aspect/influence you had.

For me, people picked Cancer which is my moon/mars and Scorpio which is my ASC.
I have a Gemini Stellium in the 8th house(Scorpio's house)
No one picked Gemini.

I think you could analyze where you are coming from ,in a sense.

Perhaps, I need more Ego(sun)

Ami