posted August 27, 2010 10:26 AM         

I think based on being my own guinea pig that names like Borderline are all different words for pain.

Please keep talking cuz you are giving ME a lifeline ,today, when I feel I could go under the water ,too.

x o x o Ami
PS Did you read the thread about my Mother. I say that just to say that the climb UP out of pain is SO hard.
That is what you are doing,in my humble opinion.

PPS Don't discredit it, Honor it.
Thank you for letting me be a part!

posted August 27, 2010 10:32 AM         

Where are your NN and SN?

Just curious

posted August 27, 2010 10:36 AM         

My NN is in Sag in the 2nd house. I need to be bold and adventurous. I,also, need to be earth bound (Taurus house/2nd house) as I have no earth in my chart

The SN is in Gemini in the 8th house. Gemini energy is easy for me and 8th house energy, while embarrassing is easier than actual Sag activities like travel ,being outspoken ,blunt etc lol

Thank you for asking (((Nigel))

Did you think it would be something in particular?

x o Ami

posted August 27, 2010 10:38 AM         

PLEASE leave your chart up .
I want a clear head when I look at your chart cuz I want to get a good sense of it.

Mine is on the thread "Is this person evil?"

Ami
PS Please leave your posts ,too, if you can.
That way I can get a better sense of you.
I am psychic.
It only comes when it wants lol but leaving your things up will help

posted August 27, 2010 10:40 AM         

So is your SN conjunct the Sun Merc and Moon in your 8th house?

posted August 27, 2010 10:42 AM         

You know, I have alienated almost every single person in my life; the ones who have stuck by me have earned my deepest respect. I would never put up with someone like myself, if I were not myself. And yet, despite how frustrated and angry I get with myself, I love myself deeply. I cannot self-loathe for long, because I know I'm hurting myself even more; I already feel pain regularly, so why add to it?

It has helped me to visualize myself as a baby (usually 1 or 2 years old, because I don't think newborns are very cute ), and my adult self cradling, kissing, playing with, and just loving my baby self. I carry that image of baby-me often, to keep me from being too harsh with myself.

I talk angrily and impatiently to myself a lot. I also scold myself for thinking negative thoughts (how ironic).

posted August 27, 2010 10:45 AM         

Yes, my NN is 26 Sag.
My SN would be 26 Gem
My Sun is 28 Gem in the 8th house
My Mercury is 17 Gem in the 8th house
My Moon is 8 Cancer in the 8th house

Please, elaborate on your thinking process, Nigel.

I think you have much to offer and I appreciate it greatly!

x o x Ami

posted August 27, 2010 10:51 AM         

Ami
PS THANK YOU for your words!

PPS My chart is gone from that thread. I will put it up later.

Your Chiron is conjunct my Mars--interesting.
Wonder what that means??

Chiron is a super powerful planet. I know that!

posted August 27, 2010 11:35 AM         

I've actually never seen the movie! What made you think of it?

Well the fact that your Sun is conjunct your SN says a lot to me. Your self (sun) is intensifying the SN energy (things that you've already mastered and come easily, but can also be a source of struggle if they are focused on too much).

You need to come to terms with who you are and accept it before you can move towards the lessons of your NN. Keep putting energy into things that give you energy back. You mentioned yoga somewhere, which seems like a perfect thing for you... (I'm a yoga teacher, no bias there, haha ). NN in Sag in second house would be a focus on the bigger picture, higher ideals, spirituality, exploration but all within the context of being grounded in the physical.

Do you have any planets aspecting your NN? We could look to those for ways to free yourself of the SN tendencies by integrating them as you move towards your NN.

posted August 27, 2010 11:43 AM         

Yes I am blessed with good Pluto aspects.
Pluto trines the NN
Pluto conjunct MC
Pluto sextile Sun
Pluto sextile Mercury

Nigel, do you agree I need to GET the 8th house lessons and then leave them behind and start living out the Sag in a grounded way?

If so, that is my goal.
Getting the 8th house in order really hurts and is really hard

THAT is what I am trying to do with these threads.

Does that make sense to your intuition.

Please , be honest, you can say anything, even if I won't like it

x o x Ami

PS I do Kundalini Yoga and love it .

posted August 27, 2010 11:46 AM         

Chiron is classed as a comet,but its much larger than a comet. Its diameter is less than 300 km in diameter. It doesn't meet dwarf planet status.

at least 4 asteroids are larger than Chiron, but seem to get less respect and attention from astrologers.

These are the 4 largest asteroids in our solar system

Ceres is 950 km in diameter,and is now classified as dwarf planet along with Eris,Pluto,Makemake,and Haumea. It's the only asteroid that is classed as a dwarf planet.

Vesta is 550 km in diameter

Pallas is 530 km in diameter

Hygeia is 466 km in diameter

It would make sense for the aforementioned bodies to be viewed as planets in Astrology if Chiron is.

Indeed Ceres has to be the most underrated. Chiron gets its house,sign placement and aspects interpreted in reports. As for Ceres, only house,sign placement are available. That's the same for Pallas,Vesta,and Hygeia.

Now Ceres is equal to Pluto,and it would make sense to viewed as lot more of planet than Chiron is.

I believe that Chiron has significant astrological influences that cannot be denied,but Ceres and the other 3 asteroids does too. It's just that Chiron with its orbiting between Saturn and Uranus has a social-generational influence compared to the other objects that have a personal-social influence. Pluto and its fellow transneptunians have generational influences that are more generational than Uranus and Neptune.

Hygeia named after the Greek Goddess of health can be just as prominent in regards to health,health problems,and healing just as Chiron is.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted August 27, 2010 11:49 AM         

Integration is the word!!
I read that the 8th house planets have a delayed maturation.

Well, YES

This is the first time since I was 14 that I want to live from the inside .

I gave up my core self to be what I thought I had to be for my mother.

Now, I want to be who I am--in all the scariness that that entails lol but I must cuz life is drab and gray without the spark of your true self.

You are a dear ((Nigel))

In the movie Robert De Niro Keeps telling Billy Crystal how good he is.

I thought that when you were asking me about my nodes

Yes, doc, my nodes are fine lol

X Ami

Thank you ,Raymond for that info

posted August 27, 2010 11:52 AM         

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Your Chiron is conjunct my Mars--interesting.

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Isn't your Mars 16º Cancer? I found your birth information (6/20/55, 4:30 PM) in the other thread. My Chiron is 16º Gemini.

posted August 27, 2010 11:53 AM         

I'm Sag with a 5 planet stellium there and if there's one thing I know about Sagittarius energy is that we are teachers.

If there is any advice I can give you it would be to integrate what you learn from sorting through your 8th house issues so you can be at peace with them and even share your lessons with others.

posted August 27, 2010 11:55 AM         

X Ami