posted October 03, 2010 08:15 AM            

I have that! In square aspect
Neptune (conj DC) in Sag and Jupiter in Pisces.
My DC ruler squares my DC

My chart is sooo sucky!

posted October 03, 2010 08:23 AM            

I'm sorry you lost your reply. I've also noticed that lenghty posts get lost somehow.

Ami,
You're doing great, girlfriend! Wow, I see what you mean about your reputation. Chart ruler in the 10th, in LEO, in sextile to Sun is pretty big. It's a very public house, in a sign that attracts attention. However, your MC ruler being placed in the 8th suggests you also value your privacy a lot, water houses are more "behind the scenes", how do you blend the two?

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I MUST resolve 8th house issues. I have a passion to get to the bottom of things I don't understand about myself

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Lara,
I also have 2 DC rulers and I use both of them. I think they both give important clues about the relationships I am drawn to and the way I behave with a partner.
One one hand, there is Moon in Sagittarius at the end of the 11th house, which conjuncts Neptune (2nd house ruler) and the South Node. I get very enthuziastic in the beginning of the relationship and very idealistic and day-dreaming. So I had my share of disappointments when my partners turned out to be different than the picture I had in my head about them. Up until now, I've dated guys with less money than me (though I'm not rich myself), and there were times when I aided them financially. All of my relationships have been karmic, with no exception, they all had planets on my Nodes.
On the other hand, there is the Sun, which co-rules the DC. It's in Aries in the 2nd house. There are similar themes involved as with the Moon (fire sign and 2nd house connection). The Sun also conjuncts Mercury in Aries, which rules the 5th and the 8th. I like men with a sharp intelligence, that are passionate and a bit mysterious, which would make good fathers for my children.
The point of this thread is to try to explain, from your own perspective and experience, how those rulerships work, not just to list them.
I would love to hear what it's like to have ruler of the 1st in conjunction to ruler of the 2nd and the 11th. It helps me learn.

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posted October 03, 2010 09:31 AM            

What I mean by reputation is that I always wanted to be an upright person of good character and integrity.
If someone looked at my life, I want them to see THIS.

Privacy is a totally different thing. For someone to have my heart, they have to be very genuine.I have to trust their loyalty, too. I crave REAL in my relationships. This describes Scorpio/8th house,perfectly, doesn't it? lol?

I will be back. Your post to me was so helpful. Thank you, Hera.

posted October 03, 2010 09:39 AM            

i like the more complicated look at the rulers aspecting eachother.

the one thats made me the most curious in my own chart, is my 1st house ruler (Sun) only aspect, Trine to my 7th house Ruler (Uranus).

my Sun is in the 1st (aries House?) and my 7th is in the 5th (leo house?) my Sun is in leo and Uranus in Capricorn (0 degree)

does this mean i potentially already posses the qualities my DSC is drawn to? (away from my ASC)

posted October 03, 2010 11:02 AM            

I think we probably have been born close to each other.
In my chart it is:

Jupiter on 11.12 Pisces
Neptune on 9.56 Sagittarius

Somehow I curse and praise this aspect simultaneiously. I like that it is in mutual reception, it`s like the planets are "talking" to each other, even though sometimes it might be almost like a yelling. lol (the square aspect).
Of course Neptune probably does not yell, not even in Sag.

Izo,

don`t curse your square too much. The square gives you the possibility to gain awareness of the issues (because they do not work together as smoothly as a trine would) at hand, and then you can work with them.
In your struggling to find the right words, you refine your verbal abilities more and more, so that in the end you might be better /( more refined in your verbal communication than someone who never had to struggle for the right expression.

I don`t view the houseruler ships as complicating astrology more, but they add a more individual, thorough note.

AS a matter of fact I often think: What does it mean to have Venus conjunct Mars in synastry at all?
I mean those placements can fall ANYWHERE in the chart, and thus people might react differently to them.
You are halfblind until you anchor / connect it to the houses (which are earth-bound and therefore relating to the manifestation level in our daily lives).

In my case I usually love guys whose Mars is square or conjunct my Venus.
my Venus, ruling 5th house and being in 1st house, it is like they are triggering that natal configuration (5th - 1st house) inside of me, my own individual Sun-Mars feeling. lol

Someone`s Venus on my Mars feels WAY different.
Mars rules my 4th and is in my 12th very close to ASC. So someone`s Venus touching my Mars will trigger 4th-12th, some sort of Moon-Neptune-feeling. I will feel some sort of spiritual connectedness with these people, but not the same strong sexual attraction as if their Mars is conjunct my Venus!

Of course for them it could be WAY different.

Actually the latter aspect happens in the synastry with my best friend`s husband. His Venus conjunct my Mars. So he triggers my natal interconnection between 4th and 12th house (Moon-Neptune) in me. And I really have always had an almost eeringly understanding of him, or at least I felt like I did (his Moon conjuncts mine, too).

For him my Mars conjunct his Venus; his Venus rules his 4th and 9th house, and sits in 10th house, close to 11th house cusp.
So my Mars triggers in him:
ruler of 4th in 10th (Moon-Saturn)
ruler of 4th in 11th (Moon-Uranus)
ruler of 9th in 10th (Jupiter-Saturn)
ruler of 9th in 11th (Jupiter-Uranus).

You could say we have an emotional connection, but NOT a sexual one.
This can be easily seen in the fact that his 4th house ruler is conjunct mine, too, and of course the conjunction of both Moons.

BTW my friend and him have her Saturn opposing his MOon, nothing you would usually rejoice about. BUT

his Moon rules his 7th house and is in his 1st house, so actually her Saturn triggers the connection of 7th-1st house for him (his individual Venus-Mars with a slightly Martian emphasis, because the planet is placed in 1st house and not 7th).

Her Saturn rules her 7th and 8th house and sits in her 3rd house.
So her individual Venus-Mercury, Pluto-Mercury is being triggered.
This does not sound romantic, BUT since her 7th house ruler is in her 3rd house (that is her individual chart) Mercury is an integral part of her partner type. That is what she needs and probably seeks.
Actually all her boyfriends before him had glasses, lol, and she always went for the intellectual smart ones.
Her husband now has an intelligence quotient far above average.
But it is also true that she values the communicative connection and the friendship and the ability to talk things through with him (his Mercury is in Aqua in 1st so he always likes to talk) above some romantic connection.
He on the other hand was head over heels for her, since he first saw her (which everyone noticed except for her. lol), and he still is very much in love with her.

posted October 03, 2010 11:05 AM            

Back to the ASC(Scorpio). Pluto is conjunct the MC is Leo.
I said my reputation has to be good or I would be very ashamed lol.

Mercury rules the 8th house cuz Gemini is on the cusp.
My sun's ruler(Mercury) and my Mercury's ruler(Mercury) sextile Pluto.
My mind and ego are interested in deep things. I could always see through to the core of things.
This was scary to me .
I could see too much truth for myself to handle.
My ego and mind went dormant as 8th house planets will do.
My moon(in the 8th house) went dormant ,too.
The 8th house planets are like a bear in hibernation lol

The moon was repressed the most, I think ,cuz it only makes a wide conjunction with Mars(8 degrees) and a semi sextile with Venus.

My moon(heart, deep emotions) seem locked inside.
It makes sense that my ego(Sun) and mind(Mercury) can come out easier cuz Pluto sextiles them-giving them power.

The moon is on it's own--in the 8th house.

Does this make sense----astrologically speaking?

Thanks for any insight.

posted October 03, 2010 11:30 AM            

The guy who was triggering great passion in me and then the feeling of loss and it really felt like I was dying inside when I realized that him and me would never be.

his Sun squares my Saturn
his Sun sextiles my Moon
his SN conjuncts my Moon

If I transpose that to my houserulers:
my Saturn rules my 2nd house and sits in 8th house
my Moon rules my 8th house and sits in my 2nd house

So he triggered 2nd- 8th house energy in me in really strong ways, my very own Venus-Pluto-hell/heaven.
Of course this way he also triggered the natal quinkunx, so it is not a surprise that I felt like I had been losing all balance, and was "reduced" to that fight for emotional survival (2nd-8th house); his Sun in my 4th house probably made it easier, as he easily slipped under my skin and so it was very easy to trigger that natal configuration in me.
The fact that his Sun is conjunct my Chiron speaks volumes, too.

posted October 03, 2010 11:41 AM            

I ,always, wondered why I had such a bug about my reputation

I thought it was cuz my Grandmother drilled it in to my head lol

Sasportas was talking about how the chart is a lens.

You will SEE though the lens of your chart and THINK it is actual reality but your lens makes it reality.

Someone else's lens would NOT see things the same way.

I talked to my Aunt about how I feel about reputation etc.
She thought it was silly,I think, even though she did not say that lol

I guess it is just this aspect. I have to honor it though cuz it is gut level deep

posted October 03, 2010 12:07 PM            

Saturn is in the first house conjunct the ASC.
Capricorn rules the 3rd house(the mind, communication, early schooling)

I ,always, felt like I could not think clearly(Saturn restrictions?)

Road blocks prevented me from doing the careers I really wanted cuz I could not grasp simple things like rhythm in music .

I felt "out of it" or "in a fog" so my ability to use my mind(3rd house) was restricted.

Saturn went in to the first and showed that THIS restriction was part of my essential being.

Saturn is trined my Mars so I had enough discipline to work around my limitations which I did and still do.

Now, as I get older, my thinking is clearer. Saturn will allow you to outgrow his limitations if you persevere.

As I read this over, it SEEMS like I am grasping house rulerships.

Does anyone see a flaw in my thinking? Please, tell me,if you do

posted October 03, 2010 12:44 PM              

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I get very enthusiastic in the beginning of the relationship and very idealistic and day-dreaming. So I had my share of disappointments when my partners turned out to be different than the picture I had in my head about them. Up until now, I've dated guys with less money than me (though I'm not rich myself), and there were times when I aided them financially. All of my relationships have been karmic, with no exception, they all had planets on my Nodes.

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Woah Hera, you just described my relationship history to a tee! Although cos i have my NN exact cj my saturn and also cj my moon/venus, its easy for someone to affect me on so many levels just by touching my NN. Aries innit!
I'm now in my 1st non karmic relationship and it's wonderful but i'm looking for the karma drama lol

Ok, so my 1st ruler cj 1' my 2nd/11th rulers. I am really easy to talk to, approachable, have a lot of friends as people are drawn to me. Personally, i don't like that cos i'm shy and private. I feel uncomfortable if there are too many people in my home for more than a few hours. I sometimes wonder if i have a huge sign on my forehead that says "gullible and generous" as people can really take advantage of my kindness but my aries just keeps falling down and getting back up again.

posted October 03, 2010 12:51 PM            

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Is Neptune somewhere nearby? You used the expression "fog", and "not clearly", that is usually more Neptunian than Saturnian.
Saturn is more like the"brake" we put on our instincts / urges, and often we feel as if we are not "enough" in the areas connected to SAturn.
Of course we have the ability to work hard and persistently at the issues surrounding Saturn.

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DD, you are like a national treasure . You are so good . I WON"T play the clip lol

OK --that helps a lot about Neptune!
I am gonna think about it.

I know there is a powerful connection .I am gonna try to grasp it lol

posted October 03, 2010 12:58 PM            

Neptune touches every planet except moon and Venus.

OK---I have Pisces on the 5th house cusp and Neptune in the 12th.

Creativity and love are spiritual things for me.
I need to have a soul(Pisces) connection with someone. It is not a frivilous thing to me to be "in love" lol
It is Joni Mitchells----"Love is touching souls"
You know ---That could be a Pisces mantra--don't you think?

Anyway---Pisces rules romance, creativity and fun.
For me, playing music(creativity) is a way to touch the next dimension. That would be another expression of Pisces on the 5th house cusp--right?

OK--Gemini rules the 8th house. Mercury in IN the 8th house.
Mercury trines Neptune.

My mind could have been fogged from this----Right??

The same with the Sun.My ego could have been fogged from a Neptune,in the 12th house, trining it.

Is my thinking sound, DD?

posted October 03, 2010 01:30 PM            

I'll begin with house rulers 1-3 and come back later:

Capricorn Asc....

1H Ruler in Sag conjunct Uranus (2H Ruler) in Sagittarius/12th: Self image is tied up with self worth...wouldn't know if there's anything expansive about it though (Sag). It definitely is very murky though (12th). I'm a lowkey person who doesn't like to stand out, but somehow ends up doing so anyways. I am not your average Capricorn Ascendant....I have no ambition to make it to the top, or whatever. I don't even identify heavily with Capricorn at all aside from the 'fences and neighbors' theory.

1H Ruler square 4H Ruler (Aries Mars): I think my outer crust (Saturn) seriously inhibits my Martian drive in many ways. And the Self Image is always at odds with the collective or the family.

1H Ruler opposite Chiron in Cancer/6th: Yikes! This one hits too close to home and I didn't even realize it.

2H Ruler (Uranus) in Sag/12th: Refer to the above, but add in that the more I try to conform...the more eccentric I come off to others. Personal Income has always fluctuated/been nebulous, as has self worth and values.

2H Ruler square 4H Ruler: Values seriously clashing with the family or the collective....so true.

2H Ruler Opposite Chiron: Yikes again, hitting to close to home.

3H Ruler (Neptune) in Capricorn/12th: Neptune is the planet in question so its all about an alternate reality...in the mind.

3H Ruler trine Moon (7H Ruler): This was the hard part. I guess I'm very comfortable with my 3rd house...and I'm a bit of a closet romantic, but not just in love.

3H Ruler opposite 6H Ruler (Mercury): Mind is definitely at odds with daily life. Daydreaming can get in the way of me getting monotonous things done. Though I do have a skill (6th) for writing stories, and its so easy for me to 'absorb' (or pick up) certain languages. I learned Spanish almost purely from watching TV and listening to music....though it helps when you come from a Lusophone background.

3H Ruler sextile 11H Ruler (Pluto): I love being with a group of people who have a diversity of thought. I also enjoy making short trips (3rd) in groups sometimes. I do occasionally share my stories online with a set group (11TH)...but that's under the lock of my Livejournal..hehe (Pluto).

4H Ruler in Aries/3H (Mars): I can't even tell you how many times I've changed residences anymore....its been so many. I'm close to my family, even though they can be a pain in the a--.

4H Ruler trine 8H Ruler (Sun): I see no problem asking my family for financial help when I need it. So many other people my age in this Western society struggle to make ends meet to pay for their school and their own apartments while I still live with my mother. Its definitely a culture thing too, my family's from wayyyy across the ocean.

posted October 03, 2010 05:54 PM            

It is late now here and have to get up early for work, but hopefully tomorrow I will be able to reply to all.

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*previously Izo*