posted October 06, 2010 07:59 PM         

I don't play the lottery that often, though. So I always get enough to treat myself to something, but I'm not flooded with cash

posted October 07, 2010 12:00 AM         

Actually my 11th house cusp is Pisces..
However you are right about me communicating in an Aqua way. My mind is more focused on 8th house matters, since Neptune is in the 8th house (ruler of the 11th house.)

You hit the nail on the head with Mercury Square Neptune

Yes I do love taking care of others and I feel I have a calling for service, not bad

Yes Venus in the first house can make one attractive. I have been called attractive but I think I'm more charming, I have a very charming smile for example.

Venus Conjunct Ascendant
Venus Square Moon
Venus Sextile Mercury
Venus Trine Mars
Venus Semi-Sextile Jupiter
Venus Inconjunct Neptune

posted October 07, 2010 12:35 AM         

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The Significance of House Rulerships in the Natal Chart by Don McBroom

Whenever the topic of House Rulerships come up in my weekend workshops, often the student's eyes often quickly change to a "deer in the headlights" look.

They've already gotten a good grasp on the Planets, the Signs, the Houses, and the Aspects -- and then "Oh, No! Something else I have to learn?" To which I give my frequent answer, "Well, yes and no."

House rulership concepts allow natal interpretation to take a quantum leap beyond the normal Planets, Signs, Houses, and Aspects. It is as if an entire new dimension of interpretive meanings come to the forefront when we expand our analysis to include these initially elusive House Rulerships. And all this is possible without requiring us to memorize a lot more information.

The basic concept is not really all that complicated. With the Natal Horoscope, we have 12 Houses. Each House has one Zodiac Sign on the cusp. Regardless of any Planets residing in a specific House, the affairs of that House are colored by the influence of the Planet that is most at home in the Sign on that House cusp.

For example, if Capricorn is the Sign on the 2nd House cusp we would expect that the affairs of that House (self-worth, things that we value, including money and material possessions, etc.) would take on a distinctive "Saturnian" feel, due to the affinity between Capricorn and Saturn, the Ruler of Capricorn. That is, chances are these things would be thought of in a very traditional, reserved, or cautious sort of way. So, we'd suspect that this individual would probably not be frivolous with their assets. It's not likely that they'd be prone to gambling excesses, for example. Make sense?

Then, as our next step, we'd find Saturn in the chart and check its condition. If it were in Taurus we'd expect a practicality, reinforcing the conservative attitude as above. If, however, Saturn were in Cancer we might see an emphasis on the importance of comfort in the value system or an added importance placed on emotional values.

Another example. Consider a hypothetical chart with Pisces on the 7th House cusp. We remember that the 7th House affairs include one-to-one relationships -- both intimate and business relationships. We also already know that Neptune is the most "comfortable" in the Sign of Pisces so Neptune is the Ruler of Pisces, and in our example also the 7th House. So, a distinctive "Neptunian" flavor is added to the interpretation of this House. We'd have to explore whether there might be "something other than it seems" in a one-to-one relationship in the client's life. Perhaps there is some conscious deception taking place or even involvement of alcohol or drugs in extreme cases. Also possible, of course, would be the higher purpose of Neptune, the sense of spiritual connection with a partner. Unfortunately, in many of these type charts the connection is much less positively exhibited.

If we looked further and saw that Neptune, Ruler of Pisces, was in the 5th House and was in square aspect to Mercury in the 8th, we could reasonably wonder if there might be some deceptive (Neptune) communications (Mercury) going on -- perhaps with sexual overtones (5th and 8th House connection).

You can see how techniques incorporating House Rulerships can focus our attention and give us insight that might otherwise be overlooked. With some practice and perseverance, you may find that you routinely use House Rulerships to enhance your understanding of Natal analysis. Especially in the case of "empty houses" this can incorporate details of the Horoscope that add immensely to the depth of the overall interpretation.

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posted October 07, 2010 12:49 AM         

So I basically get more attention than I'm comfortable with, as my Sun wants to evade and just mellow out somewhere quiet. But, nope, that's not for me. Sun is square Uranus, from Pisces WATER to Sagittarius FIRE, water and fire square plus a Leo FIRE rising, yea, I get a lil excitable, in a very playful manner. That is what makes me stand out, and gives me energy. I'm pulled in 2 different directions, 1 is to lean back and observe, analyze, stay quiet, the other wants to just act and react to everything and expresses enthusiasm from the LEO and SAGITTARIUS combined. Put me next to someone who has something in early ARIES to form a Grand Trine, and we will be Fireworks together, and loud. Normally my voice is very soft, singsong so people will be surprised when they see us together.

But BOTH energies are expressed, one doesn't cancel the other out. And sometimes being excitable can feel draining and I will ALL OF A SUDDEN feel as if I've shown too many of my cards, revealed too much, so then I will pull the biggest Leo rising, Sun in 8th act you've ever seen. Quiet, inscrutable, relying 100% on instinct, on intuition, not saying much and being very cautious as to what I reveal, paying attention to the atmosphere, to others' moods, their feelings, and basically pawing around like a cat who's too good for you, unless she makes it up in her mind that you are, then 100% loyal.

This drives everyone I know UP THE WALL!

They can't figure me out, they don't know where to place me, am I social or introvert, playful or serious, superficial or deep, oblivious or perceptive, carefree or wanting commitment, on and on and on.
The -truth- is that I'm all those things.
But I can't express the Leo/Uranian Fire side and the Pisces/h8 side -at the same time-.
Eventually I'll get tired of one mode of expression and switch to the other.
This leaves people sometimes wary, sometimes intrigued, it depends on the person. But I never stay the same. I've noticed it tends to p!ss off the Fixed signs more than the others, because they want you to stay the same because then that means they have you in their grips, change is a no-no cos then they don't know where to place you. Mutables tend to love me.

posted October 07, 2010 05:25 AM         

I can see how you would be charming , too, with Venus in the 1st house.
Thank you so much for sharing!

posted October 07, 2010 06:14 AM         

You have Neptune conjunct Venus in the 1st.
Neptune rules the 4th house. Venus rules the 6th(Taurus) and the 11th(Libra) houses.

So, I would say that the 4th house(early home life, the tone of your early childhood years, the sense of home) is very important to you.
You sense of "home" is an intimate personal part of your essential being(1st house)

Can you comment on this?
Does it fit?

Venus rules the 6th house(service) and the 11th house( hopes, dreams wishes, friends,social groups)

Does being of service mean a lot to you, giving ?
Are you oriented toward 11th house areas of life?
I don't understand the 11th house very well. I have the Saspratos book on houses but have only skimmed it.

Can you relate to loving things of the 11th house ,Aya?

posted October 07, 2010 07:51 AM         

PS Thank you, Peri, for that article!

posted October 07, 2010 08:08 AM         

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1st in Gemini.
Mercury in Aquarius in 9th house
conjunct Sun
trine Moon, Chiron (grand trine)
sextile Jupiter, Mars

ASC opposite Saturn, Uranus

I want someone else to interpret these aspects for me lol. I think it would be interesting.

I have strong Sag vibes (and also because my Sun's rulers are in Sag). Besides Aqua, someone said I was Sag-like (and then someone else said Leo... which would make sense since my chart ruler is conjunct my Sun).

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I am gonna start slow and come back and forth lol
You have a Gem ASC and Mercury in the 9th conjunct the Sun.
9th house issues are crucial to you. You HAVE to find the deeper answers to life, why you are here, what is the meaning of it all.
Your your mind(Mercury) and Sun(ego) are closely allied.
Sometimes, it is hard to get detachment of your thinking from your ego.
Is this true,Amwols?

Your moon is trine the Sun/Mercury. That seems really good. Your emotions are accessible to you.
That must be nice.
Can you describe that?

You have Chiron there, too?
Do you feel able to heal things that hurt you?
Do you feel that you can deal with pain and still go on?

Explain, that placement of Chiron if you can?
That might be hard cuz Chiron seems elusive.

You have ASC oppose Saturn and Uranus. Which houses are Saturn and Uranus in--the 7th?
Is Sag on the 7th house cusp?

I will assume so.

Does Saturn oppose the ASC give you insecurity? Do you feel lack of confidence about your essential self?

If it is in the 7th house, do you have a push/pull between wanting a relationship and running from one?

I guess I need more info on Saturn and Uranus before I go on.

Please tell me house, sign and the exact aspects to the ASC.
Thanks

posted October 07, 2010 08:29 AM         

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"OK --- What aspects does Jupiter have and HOW do the aspects effect your FIRST house(the essential you}"
Jupiter squares Neptune on the ASC. It overemphasises the SAgittarius / Pisces influence in me I think.
Jupiter also trines Saturn in the 8th, giving my communication a bit of depth and solidity.
The ruler of 1st house trine Saturn of course also means that I am rather reserved and calm, and not your typical outgoing Sagittarius.
Neptune on ASC would support this even more, though of course Neptune is much more dreamy than realistic Saturn.
But as dreamy I am, if it comes to my principles or committed relationships and issues that really matter to me, I can be all Saturnian, controlled and structured.
Since Saturn is trine the 3rd house ruler, it gives me a structured mind, too, the ability to analyse things thoroughly, which a 3rd house Jupiter probably wouldnt´do on its own, as Jupiter is much too generous and looking for the big picture and will overlook all these little, though important details.

I actually can be both. Completely unaware of the important details if I am enthusiastic (Jupiter), and then the next moment I can get very nitpicky and focused on the perfect way to do an analysis (SAturn).

I am sure you have seen both sides of me here on LL.

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WOW--very helpful description of how Jupiter and Saturn function.
Yes, I can see the solidity of your mind(Saturn trine).

I can see the dreaminess(Neptune conjunct the ASC) the love of fantasy, musical theatre etc.

I can see how Saturn trining your 3rd house ruler would make you more disciplined than someone with only Jupiter here might be--fascinating.
Thank you, DD !

posted October 07, 2010 09:19 AM         

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My first house is in Libra. So I'm so not your average Aries

My Venus is also in Aries, in house seven (a Libra house), tightly conjunct Sun and Mars. She makes a trine to Neptune (ah, the poetry ) and an opposition to Pluto (ah, the drama )

Speaking of Pluto, he's in my first. Saturn is also conjunct my Ascendant, from the 12th. People who don't know me either fear me, or think that I'm uptight. I think my Venus is a little lost, as she's in Aries, and makes a lot of aspects to masculine planets, but I do have a very Libra oriented attitude. For an Aries, that is

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WOW
What a combo of stuff! I am gonna study it and be back

posted October 07, 2010 09:39 AM         

I looked up Sun conjunct Venus and Sun conjunct Mars.
They are so different. Each embodies a strong energy and it is so different from the other.
It almost seems like the male energy/Mars is fused with the female energy/Venus.
The Sun is in the middle.

How does this feel?

Is it hard? Do you feel more masculine(Mars) or more feminine(Venus)

Do you feel it is hard to grasp your sexual/gender identity or are you confident of it?

How does your Sun(ego) feel with Venus and Mars so close?
I have Saturn conjunct the ASC. Did you have a hard childhood?
Which house has Cap on the cusp???
That would help in understanding you better.

You have Pluto in the first. Which house has Scorpio on the cusp---the 12th?

Pluto in the first would make you Plutonian. Saturn on the ASC would make you Saturn-like.
Wow--I don't think I have ever seen such a mixed bag of a person LOL

How do you feel with all these different energies?

I have not even gotten to Neptune and Pluto's aspects, yet LOL

I am gonna wait until you answer those questions before I go further

posted October 07, 2010 10:49 AM         

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You have a Gem ASC and Mercury in the 9th conjunct the Sun.
9th house issues are crucial to you. You HAVE to find the deeper answers to life, why you are here, what is the meaning of it all.
Your your mind(Mercury) and Sun(ego) are closely allied.
Sometimes, it is hard to get detachment of your thinking from your ego.
Is this true,Amwols?

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Sometimes it is hard to be objective, but the 9th house is an objective house (big picture thinking), and Aquarius is about detachment. I am mostly objective, it is easy to step back and look at certain situations.

I do base my ego on my intellect, though, which is why I like debating (sometimes I can be quite the contrarian). Some people get embarrassed if they leave the house in sweats without any make up, I am more concerned about looking stupid.

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Your moon is trine the Sun/Mercury. That seems really good. Your emotions are accessible to you.
That must be nice.
Can you describe that?

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I'd say that my emotions are more even, or at least they seem to be more centered. When I'm feeling discontent, it's usually due to boredom. I suppose it's easy for me to do what I feel because what I feel goes along with my ego. My Sun, Mercury & Moon are in air signs so I don't feel emotions that intensely. They are subtle enough that sometimes I don't EXACTLY know how I feel, but I at least try to rationalize feelings.

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You have Chiron there, too?
Do you feel able to heal things that hurt you?
Do you feel that you can deal with pain and still go on?

Explain, that placement of Chiron if you can?
That might be hard cuz Chiron seems elusive.

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Actually my Chiron is trine Moon, too. It's in Gemini (Moon is in Libra) in my 12th but conjunct my ASC. I think since it makes a grand trine to my Moon & Mercury it gives me great healing abilities... potentially (according to everything I've read about this placement). People never get specific about Chiron lol. My Chiron is also opposite Mars, also not quite sure what that means. I have thought about being a counselor of some sort, but people's problems are draining to me. I get personally invested and if I were a counselor, I'd be mega depressed.

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You have ASC oppose Saturn and Uranus. Which houses are Saturn and Uranus in--the 7th?
Is Sag on the 7th house cusp?

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DSC is at 27 Sag, Saturn and Uranus are at 29 Sag in the 7th.

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Does Saturn oppose the ASC give you insecurity? Do you feel lack of confidence about your essential self?

If it is in the 7th house, do you have a push/pull between wanting a relationship and running from one?

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I am shy around groups of people I don't know. I'm very reserved when meeting new people. I feel like I'm too boring to get to know. I feel like people ignore me or avoid me. Plus Saturn makes me stand offish, so that doesn't help. I'm not really the life of the party, I don't like to draw attention to myself. I think this is why I'm surrounded by Leos because they seem to be the only people brave enough to approach me lol.

I love long term relationships, but once I get to a certain point, my mind starts to wander. I think I'm one of those people that would be really happy in a polyamorous relationship... but it would have to be a marriage because there's more security there. I need security AND variety, it's so frustrating.

In your Uranus thread, I said that I can't feel Uranus without Saturn because mine are so closely conjunct (they are also parallel so it's a super conjunction... and in every harmonic chart I do they are ALWAYS conjunct, which is perplexing to me because how can they be conjunct AND novile, septile, etc). I guess you could say that my Saturn focuses my Uranus, so it's not as chaotic and it's more useful, and Uranus makes my Saturn less rigid. I think this makes my personality more progressive, I don't like tradition for tradition's sake.

posted October 07, 2010 10:50 AM         

My Neptune,
Neptune in the Fourth House 4th hs
Neptune in Sagittarius
Neptune Opposition Midheaven
Mars Square Neptune
Neptune Square Ascendant
Jupiter Sextile Neptune
Saturn Sextile Neptune
Pluto Sextile Neptune

"Water: The experience of sharing is intense.
Earth: They're introverted so don't feel a need to push all that they are to the surface. They let what's proper guide their expression." ~agreed on both

posted October 07, 2010 11:00 AM         

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I like that you ask everyone questions, Ami Very Plutonian.

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Thank you for saying that Amowls

posted October 07, 2010 11:47 AM         

here it is.

posted October 07, 2010 12:21 PM         

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1st house is ruled by Saturn- makes me serious (at least in appearance) to the outside.

Saturn in 10th house- I need organization to work and study or else things just don't work out. According to astro.com it trines my Moon, but doesn't really. It doesn't make any major aspects unless you count same sign conjunctions. In which case it conjuncts Pluto.

Jupiter in the 1st house in Aquarius- gives me optimism and I do feel lucky, but with Capricorn on the cusp I try not to take advantage of it.

Jupiter rules 12th house- have no idea about this one.

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Pluto conjunct Saturn
The conjunction of Saturn and Pluto shows amazing reserves of tenacity and self-discipline. Be careful that it doesn't result in too much self-denial and severity. The combination offers great strength of will and an inclination to dig hard and deep into your interests. Once your mind is committed, you are capable of incredible resolve. This gives you a talent for succesfully performing difficult work under tiring circumstances.

Delilah

Are you a VERY tenacious person? If you want something , will you stop heaven and earth to get it lol?

What aspects do you have to Jupiter since it is in your first house?
Do you have weight issues since Jupiter likes to expand lol

posted October 07, 2010 12:39 PM         

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My first house is in Leo.
So the house is ruled by the Sun.
The Sun is in my 5th house.

Although I have no planets in Leo, this aspect adds a Leonine quality to my chart, which further emphasizes my Leo Ascendant. Life is a big game to me. I enjoy the ups and downs and always try to make the best of it. I have a child-like disposition and will always be young at heart. I'm known as 'smiley' at work because I smile at everyone and always put on a brave face. Few people get past the cheerful mask I wear to protect myself.

My Sun is aspected in 5 ways, which further emphasizes the Sun in my chart.

Sun opp Moon
There is a struggle between my inner world and outer world (Sun/Moon opp) and also between my wants and my needs.

Sun opp Chiron
My ability to heal others is sometimes at the expense of my own health.

Sun square Jupiter
Sometimes my need to expand, learn and grow is at odds with who I am in the moment. I can get too focused on the future that I lose sense of myself instead of integrating.

Sun conj Uranus
I have always felt different. Nothing really surprises me. I'm the person that you can say anything to. I love quirkiness in people because it makes me feel more normal.

Sun semi-sextile Pluto
This is a subtle influence in my chart, but it emphasizes the struggle I have between doing what makes sense from a rational point of view versus doing what my gut tells me. I have a strong intuitive ability that I tend to ignore.

Thanks for this thread Ami! It was a fun challenge.

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I FEEL your Leo, Nigel
You seem very 5th house, too lol
From the first time you came on and we started talking ,I felt a sense of fun and lightness in you(5th house)
We were talking about Venus in Scorpio, I think.
I want to ask you a question about the semi-sextile. My unaspected Venus makes one with the moon.
Please, tell me HOW you mined this minor aspect, if you can say?

I would love to mine this aspect. Thanks ,Nigel, for your input !

posted October 07, 2010 12:43 PM         

You indicated this on your post when talking about marriage.

I can feel both energies in you---Uranus and Saturn --but Uranus feels much stronger.

I saw your pix and you are the cutest Gemini ASC.
What are all the aspects your Mercury makes in the chart --since it is your chart ruler?

posted October 07, 2010 01:42 PM         

Venus and Neptune are almost on the other end of my 1st house, so I don't think they are as important as Mercury and Uranus...

It is important for me to have a roof over my head (isn't it for everyone?), but seeing as I've moved at least 21 times in the 25 years I've been around, I would say it's not where I have a home that's important.

That being said, despite wanting a roof over my head, I'm pretty much a wanderer. Being on the road is probably more important to me than having a home. I feel at home practically anywhere, so if I do need a home as an important part of who I am, I assume I can easily achieve that in a foreign country where I don't speak the language.

It has to be said, too, that the one place where I really feel at home is nowhere in this country

I do like to be of service and I feel good if I've been able to be of service to someone, that is probably quite an important part of myself, but I don't identify myself with that - if you know what I mean. It wouldn't be the first thing I wouold mention if I had to describe myself, but I do feel it's important to me to be of service to someone; to be able to help someone out.

I'm not sure about the 11th house, how that ties in.