posted June 01, 2013 06:32 AM            

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Does not an OBE prove that all semitic/arabian/Christian fundamentalist religions are fake Mind Control attempts to keep Humanity captive to the tyrannical diktats of an orthodox Priestly Class, and make humanity fight each other based on false religions?

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It's what they know, it's what they can acknowledge as the truth... as - they are limited by their boundaries in terms of experience and understanding. As Alejandro Jodorowsky used to put it:

posted June 01, 2013 06:56 AM            

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Great thread, I am happy it got bumped.
From the truthful narratives of Ami Anne and others who experienced Kundalini Rising and OBEs with such clarity, can anyone here explain how a Punishing "God" will make Human Beings, whose Souls are Free to Roam Out of Body, suffer in some Eternal Lake of Hell Fire for not being Jewish or Born Again Christians or Islamic? How can anyone who has experienced the Immortality of the Soul through an OBE impose a Messianic Fundamentalist view of judging other Human Souls who also experience the same OBE [ and do not run into Jesus or a bunch of Angels forcing a particular Faith down the throats of the Immortal Soul]
Will anyone care to explain this to all the readers of this excellent thread?

Does not an OBE prove that all semitic/arabian/Christian fundamentalist religions are fake Mind Control attempts to keep Humanity captive to the tyrannical diktats of an orthodox Priestly Class, and make humanity fight each other based on false religions?

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Wonderful question and one that everyone asks.

The other question is how could a loving God allow man to go to a terrible doom like Hell or the lake of fire.

The 3rd would be what about men like Ghandi or other great men who did not believe in Jesus, how could they go to such a horrible punishment?

I want to answer these and I can but first I want you to contemplate the questions and to know that I fully understand what you are asking and I want you to know the grave importance of the question and that I understand that.

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posted June 01, 2013 09:21 AM            

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posted June 01, 2013 09:33 AM            

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The 3rd would be what about men like Ghandi or other great men who did not believe in Jesus, how could they go to such a horrible punishment?
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And also Realized Souls before Jesus like Gautama Buddha who are already in the 5th dimension, how is the Biblical "God" who earned the karmic debt of ordering the killings of millions of innocent Amalekites and Cannanites going to attempt to touch that Great Soul without getting into more serious karmic trouble?

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All those are good questions and can be answered. It has to be a step by step answer with each step leading to the conclusion as in deductive reasoning, I think it is, the one where you build small steps until you get to the end.

The best Book for this is written by a lawyer who hated Jesus because his father was the town drunk and he was bitter at God. That is what brought me to believe in Jesus. It is called Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh Mc Dowell.

I will try to build a deductive reasoning case so that you can see that there is NO other conclusion and that will be the case if one goes step by step.

I am going to study his book for a bit before I start.

I have to do this slowly and may write articles. I am going to see what I feel I should do.

I will take your questions as the basis for my articles.

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posted June 01, 2013 01:23 PM            

When DD comes back up, I will put them on there. If anyone is interested before that, I could e mail them to you.

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posted June 01, 2013 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by elixir:
The first time I ever did a guided meditation from youtube i had one. well i went to go lay in bed because i felt so peaceful and nice LOL and then i started leaving my body. It only lasted a few seconds but I want to have that experience again! I snapped back into my body because I didn't know what was happening and got scared.

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Yes, this is common. You have to get used to them. I have not had one in a long time and the fear set in, again. I could have had one last week but I chickened out

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posted June 01, 2013 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Not sure if this is an OBE, but I fly in dreams often. last time it happened was last night. It is always the same. I have to really concentrate to fly, to get height. There is a special technique I have to use to soar easily and if I lose concentration I really battle to keep more than a few feet off the ground. Last night I was on a kind of quest..... I had to find something and an omnipresent voice was guiding me. It was on top of a hill with stepped sides full of homeless people in rags and I could only find it once I felt compassion for them. I kflew back to what looked like a library and gave the object to two men who put it on some books where it was absorbed and rearranged the whole shelf, and eventually when the books grew still again, a flat crystal shard was ejected. One of the men shoved it hard into the middle of my forehead and it dissapeared without trace which jolted me awake leaving me feeling shocked and scared...
I dont know if it was just a dream, or an OBE.... But it was vivid and the flying was very real.
Edit... I have moon conjunct neptune in scorpio which is at the apex of a yod with sun and jupiter. The sun/jupiter/neptune yod is exact ....... all at 13 degrees, and the neptune / moon conjunction has a 4 degree orb.

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Many flying dreams are OBEs. How are you doing, Taine

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posted June 01, 2013 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by LiesLilithsaidtouranus:
I have no planets in any of the water houses(they all are ruled by fire signs), so can anyone here explain why this happens to me:
There are times when i feel like I am literally floating out of my body, like I am about to be ripped from my skin and float up to the atmosphere. Yet somehow I stop myself. No this never happens when I am meditating, this happens out of nowhere. Like this week i was taking the bus home, and it started happening again, and i started reigning in what was leaving my body.
Why does this keep happening to me. This has happened more than 10 times to me. Almost always when i am around people or am talking with others. At times it's almost like a release of energy.
There has only been one time i successfully had an out of body experience, but that was while i was sleeping and someone that i know was with me.
Anyone care to explain?

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Did you ever leave you body due to illness or accident before?

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posted June 01, 2013 04:33 PM            

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Originally posted by LiesLilithsaidtouranus:
No never in my life.

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I knew someone who had what you described but she fell out of a window and hit her head. ASk your mom if you had some accident of which you are not aware.

if not, I wish I were like you. I would love to leave my body so easily. However, I think you can always stop it with your will. I think one can stop all OBE's but one cannot stop NDE's or death, obviously. I think these all work the same way except OBEs can be stopped.

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posted June 01, 2013 04:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I knew someone who had what you described but she fell out of a window and hit her head. ASk your mom if you had some accident of which you are not aware.

if not, I wish I were like you. I would love to leave my body so easily. However, I think you can always stop it with your will. I think one can stop all OBE's but one cannot stop NDE's or death, obviously. I think these all work the same way except OBEs can be stopped.

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posted June 01, 2013 05:29 PM            

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Originally posted by LiesLilithsaidtouranus:
Maybe that wasn't the right question... I'm not sure.
I have a friend who had a near death experience when she was young and since then is capable of seeing Aurus and many other things. I believe she is capable of having out of body experiences.
The energy around her is extremely electrifying, I can sense her from a mile away. She helps me with my psychic abilities at times.

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YES, that happens with OBes and NDEs

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posted June 05, 2013 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
I have had OBE for last 2 nights. For the first time i finally got out of my body completely. Before that i managed to do that only partly because of the tension that wouldn't let me pull myself out. I don't know how to describe really. As if i am pulling myself out, but there is this noise and tension that doesn't allow me. And i was afraid that something would happen to me. Well, these 2 nights i overcame that fear. It was awesome! Yesterday i came out of my body just as i let my head on the pillow! Before that (both times) i did a crown chakra meditation for some 15 minutes. AWESOME!

And along with that came an understanding that i am not over the guy i was very much in love (Moon conjunct His SN exact...) I thought i was, and i'm in love with another man now, but when i came out of my body, the first thing i wanted to do was... to go to that love of mine, i tried so hard to get out of my mind. I didn't go anywhere, because i got to the window and then was pulled back in my body. All totaly conscious.

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Awesome post!

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posted June 05, 2013 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Awesome post!

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Thanks!

Yes, and this actually made me think - what part of our being goes out when OBE is happening? Because it's obviously wasn't my "mind", because in my mind i hadn't thought about Him for quite a long time. But with this astral body, suddenly he was the only one i could think of.

posted June 05, 2013 04:39 PM            

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I think these all work the same way except
OBEs can be stopped.

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Ami, I'm suprised you wrote something like this. Of course they don't work the same way.
NDE, death - the soul and probably all the higher bodies leave the physical body. You're dead (to this world).

OBEs have nothing to do with death. When an astral projection occurs, your consciousness moves into your astral body but you're still connected to your pbody. You're soul is there. Otherwise, you'd be dead.

There is also, supposedly, another type of OBE - a mental travel which involves a mental body and takes place in the mental world but that's much more advanced.

Have you guys heard about Akashic Records? It would be so great to reach them...