posted November 22, 2010 07:27 PM         

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He found that certain aspects are often being found at the outset of a relationship, and that often a relationship ends, when that aspects has faded.
(most often it is a Sun-Venus conjunction or trine in the progressed-progressed or progressed-natal comparision; using 2 degree orb).

He doesn`t claim that it has ALWAYS to be the case, but according to my own research, his theory has never failed, if I allowed the DESC and ASC as Venus and Mars-point, too.

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posted November 22, 2010 07:53 PM         

Anyway The word FAITH has come up several times... If you are to take someone's word that something is so, what is wrong with using our ability to discern and think rationally through something to see if it is truth? Isn't questioning a good thing? My guess is that everyone here at some point in time questioned the religion that they were raised with. Many of us were blind sheep that followed what we were told until we asked WHY or asked is that really so?? Many of us have questioned whether or not a relationship or career was on an authentic path. If someone is trying to sell us something, or we are to invest in something, isn't doing a little background check on the company in order? Isn't comparing one bank's interest rates to another, a good idea? If we are to invest our time in a spiritual pursuit, wouldn't we rather dwell in truth and use our innate ability to question and discern?

Yes Buddy, there does not seem to be anything to back up astrology. I will certainly check out what people have posted so far, but it is not looking hopeful.

To the individual who wrote that astrology has existed for a long time and therefore that makes it true... Well let me ask you this. Do you agree what many religious texts say about women? They are pretty old also. Truth and endurance are not necessarily synonymous.(Also your comment - Astrology is older than any other art in the history of the world, is probably incorrect. My guess is that it would be cave painting. Some have found that certain paintings have spiritual relevance as well.)

posted November 22, 2010 07:56 PM         

Why don't you go on a religious forum and ask them to prove the existence of God as well. Let me know how that works out.

Astrology is something that is proven to the person who understands it. Just like the existence of God.

Philosophy 101, shall commence.

posted November 22, 2010 10:48 PM         

So for example, when Darwin released the Origin of Species many people were upset because it went against their religious beliefs, that had been around for a very very long time. Darwin introduced the the theory o evolution, and it wasn't accepted even until now because it is a taboo subject. Astrology is a taboo subject.

>>Astrology is something that is proven to the person who understands it. Just like the existence of God.<<

posted November 23, 2010 12:44 AM         

1. Those who doubt Astrology or ask for proof and have never studied nor used it, study and use it for 2-3 months. Something simple, like Lunar Transits in every Sign and House, and see if any global events or personal events map to the most common features of that Sign. If you find more than normal occurrences, you can extend the study to other planets for a full year and then be in a great position to decide whether Astrology is true or false.

2. Those who doubt Astrology or ask for proof after having studied or used it, consider Astrology to be 100% false. Then live your life without any thought to Sun Signs of other people. Not once once must you think of behavioral classifications according to astrology. Not once must you think "Is he Leo" when you see a flashy Man. And so on. Fully "Deprogrammed" from Astrology.
But do keep a diary of personal events, and Global Events that felt important to you.
After one year, see if life has got better, whether your understanding of people and events and how to tackle them has improved.
If so, trash your diary and proudly proclaim that Astrology is false. If not, use your diary to map events to transits and see if there were correlations to the planets and signs on more than 50% of the occasions. If so, you can still conclude that Astrology is false for you but you could come to terms that it could be true for other people since many events did coincide even in your diary. Perhaps for other people more events coincide.

posted November 23, 2010 01:45 AM         

That's why I can't take you seriously IQ. Are you Saturn's spokeperson?

how can you AFFIRM anything like this?

I disagree with this statement. I don't believe god or the universe is a passive stupid thing that gets unveiled and used so easily.

that's why I don't use progressions and transits, they are often used as a pill to calm down anxieties I feel, around here (as weel as past life readings-wishfull thinking btw)

someone who win the race (I say race or game, not sure how to express it, may be game is better, remember I am not a native english speaker), anyways, someone winning a game with a porsche when other contestants (and him) have engaged a game of rotten cars is bound to be penalised in one way or another. or if not penalised for using new tools, because it would be unfair may be (at least it sounds like it to me, an aquarius) then at the very least, I don't think someone not using these tools would be penalised for not using them.

posted November 23, 2010 02:51 AM         

The story behind Michel Gauquelin's quest to prove astrology is actually very funny. He was an astrologer for 20 plus years, when one day he read did a reading for a customer, describing to her all the problems she felt in her life and all of her personality characteristics. It was a successful session and he felt like he had helped somebody. When the customer left, his heart dropped when he realized he had read her the wrong chart. He went into a terrible depression because he felt that everything his mother, a former astrologer herself had taught him, and everything he had lived by in life had been a complete lie. He set out to prove that astrology was FALSE. He wanted everyone who believed in it to realize that they had been living a lie as well. A determined Scorpio, having studied to be a psychologist and being a trained statistician, he did as much research as he could bare to prove astrology was make-believe. To his surprise, he found that there was a correlation, and he felt that after all he had proven the opposite, that astrology is actually real.

posted November 23, 2010 03:19 AM         

I would still promote my suggestions to the disbelievers. Try and ditch, or just ditch it. It does not matter. No amount of subjective evidence will suffice, no amount of objective evidence will be considered tenable. Indian Astrologers have always predicted Stock Market corrections during afflictions to Sidereal Leo. Do Indian Scientists take note? No. They denounce astrology in public, and yet rush to their family astrologer during their son's wedding for a synastry check. They do not believe it works yet need the astrological confirmation of the bride's Jupiter to be wealthy for their son.

posted November 23, 2010 04:09 AM         

Amowls,

posted November 23, 2010 07:07 AM         

Being skeptical is actually a good thing. If something is proven to be untrue, then we can remove that from our life. I'd rather have the illusions of my life burned away rather than falsely or blindly following something.

I have been away from this site for some time. Originally I was Kat, but my info was lost when astrology 2.0 started. I have actually been here longer than most of the people currently here. In recent years, I started to realize that although I rejected the religion I was raised with, my current metaphysical religion also had some questionable beliefs. Some things just were not adding up. Astrology was part of my spiritual practice so of course I decided to question that as well. So now I honestly am asking for verification. If some of you are threatened by me posing the question, then perhaps you may need to do some searching yourself.

posted November 23, 2010 09:16 AM         

I also liked this site detailing a computerized statistical compilation of marriages by gender and common aspects. The orbs they used are a little wide for many of the aspects however.. http://astroinvestigators.com/marrsyn.htm

posted November 23, 2010 09:45 AM         

We cant prove astrology because we makes our own choice in the life. Astrology will

only be an probable and hypothesis.

posted November 23, 2010 10:45 AM         

One of my all time favourite quotes which I live by:

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”
~Albert Einstein~

Einstein obviously understood this concept well...as he discovered the answer/theory to, "relativity," while playing his violin.
Whenever he was stuck on a question, he would turn to his violin, but most dont know that. Even new research shows why there's a fine line btwn Scientific & Artistic geniuses...they share a root thing in common, "creative thinking."

Most people think Music & Art are subjective matters which cannot fall under specific guidelines of science. That's untrue...unless it's contemporary Music (played by ear) or impressionistic art which carries no real mathematical qualities to it. This is why someone who plays music by ear, may play a tune that sounds correct to the ear, but technically (mathematically) all wrong.
Classical Music & Art is math. Ratio of the Golden triangles etc, in Art, Harmony & Counterpoint for Music (music "Theory," being the lowest level). Unlike traditional math, which only has 1 answer, Counter point has several correct answers, but hundreds of wrong answers. Music being math, but yet something beyond math...that itself tells you there's more to the universe. If Music is accepted, proven & given technical merit...I dont see why not for Astrology.

This also brings me to point out...
How ignorant people are to think playing their babies, "Mozart," will create a genius. Indeed music/math will stimulate the brain, but one can never "produce," a prodigy.

Scientific/Artistic/teaching (etc), type of souls continually do research on the otherside. When one of these souls feel the need to contribute to the earthly realm, then they will incarnate for that reason, & produce great works of art/music/medical cures. Prodigious talents, are formed by many previous lifetimes of experience & research, fine tuning in a particular chosen field.

Feeding your baby the right foods & music wont compensate for lifetimes of research, which a soul hasnt yet done.

posted November 23, 2010 10:47 AM         

My swenglish also looks like I was angry sometimes. I see it sometimes when I read it for the second time.

posted November 23, 2010 10:49 AM         

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How can you feel aggression through words? If you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen.

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Same way you feel when you think I'm "attacking" you.

posted November 23, 2010 11:08 AM         

That child was probably already a pianist in more than one lifetime. That woman just "thinks," she produced a prodigy.

When I was a small child I was already very good in art, even though my parents would rip it up & constantly fed me the mantra, "Artists starve, Lawyers drive big cars."
I stopped drawing around 9yrs old, and never drew again until I was 17 and Marvel comics offered me a job (tho I didnt take it). Many kids say they were good at drawing when they were kids, but stopped and became bad. From personal experience I know that's untrue. It's like riding a bicycle...you never forget. People go through art school to get jobs at Marvel, Disney etc. How did I just perfect my craft without practice?? It wasnt until I was 21 when I started dreaming about my past lives, and realized I was a very accomplished Artist. Same with Piano. I finished the Royal Conservatory in Classical Piano by the time I was 12...& I seriously hardly practiced. Most people finish it when they're 18, and then go onto Julliard etc. In 2008, I finally had a dream where I was quite accomplished in piano in the 1800's. Yes I agree nurture is definitely important, because without "past life memory," I would've forgotten all my musical skills. Or perhaps I would be able to play by ear, but not advance to a professional level again.

My older brother is a scientific genius who grad from highschool by age 10/11. Since he was 7, he would say he wanted to become a Bill Gates one day in the technological world. He's currently on that path. My younger brother, had exactly the same upbringing as us...but he was never brilliant in anything. My parents have always been exceptionally hard on him because of that...insisting he wasnt trying, even when he was. I feel sorry for his poor soul, and it's absolutely unfair.

posted November 23, 2010 06:45 PM         

if you want proof,just look at your own life,and study the planets and asteroids around you in the times that you´re studying about.

i would have so many things to say about this but i´ll keep my mouth shut.

its really sad that in times like these,still people look to validate something outside themselves...and only believing in somehting through "science only"....

it just takes looking a quick look and a simple conclusion:if you think about it well..you will find out that this all ...is a world of perceptions and subjective.

do you really think that what you believe in...is real?

im not talking about astrology only..i would even dare to extend this question to everything else.

in my personal opinion: what is true for me,is what my heart/intuition tells me.
i dont care if Science validates or not my beliefs,i simply live in accordance to them.

if you still want to search for validation of astrology,just go to a library and search for it.

but you must not forget:as we all are unique,our charts are unique too.ONe single aspect of transit or whatever wont determin a specific event that happens to everyone that is having the same aspect.

astrology is such a complex thing...you cannot surely expect to validate its accuracy in a second,or a small lines of what someone tells you in this forum.

i find so interesting that in these last few weeks so many people enter LL just to create these types of threads...

posted November 23, 2010 06:48 PM         

My questioning is lightweight and I'm only seeking information. Have you ever tried going to an atheist site? If you made some of the comments you have done here -they'd eat you alive.

posted November 23, 2010 08:27 PM         

I dont like when people think they are god and judge people after the chart they have. There are people here who buy everything about what's writing on LL. If it's in our world are 0,002 percent people who are gangsters with an special aspect there are much much higher percent who have the same aspect and who not are criminal at all.

What's wrong to be realistic sometimes and se things on another perspective?