posted November 23, 2010 11:02 PM         

Diandra - I think your reading things into my post that don't actually exist. I recognize your need to go with your heart, but can you respect someone else's view that they may need to go through a period of questioning? I came here hoping to find some information since nothing exists in the library. I've found plenty of facts disputing and debunking astrology as human made, vague, open ended, inaccurate astronomically, confirmation bias, etc. but nothing upholding it.

As to your comment that people enter LL just to post these types of threads is irrelevant. Go back many years and you will find tons of astrological info I wrote as Kat. You can even find my chart somewhere and maybe you can look for a reason why I've become more skeptical in the past few years. This is a great and freeing period for me. I am thankful for what I am learning.

posted November 23, 2010 11:08 PM         

This is an excerpt of cosmobiology from wikipedia:

" Ebertin defined Cosmobiology as the following:

"Cosmobiology is a scientific discipline concerned with the possible correlation between the cosmos and organic life and the effects of cosmic rhythms and stellar motion on man, with all his potentials and dispositions, his character and the possible turns of fate; it also researches these correlation and effects as mirrored by earth's plant and animal life as a whole. In this endeavor, Cosmobiology utilises modern-day methods of scientific research, such as statistics, analysis, and computer programming. It is of prime importance, however, in view of the scientific effort expended, not to overlook the macrocosmic and microcosmic interrelations incapable of measurement."[3]

What is noteworthy about both Cosmobiology and Uranian astrology, which has developed along a different path technically, is their emphasis on critical analysis and testing by observing more clearly measurable or observable astrological correlations, rather than to simply perpetuate observations or assumptions written in historical astrological texts, a problem leading to widespread criticism of mainstream Classical Astrology. Some have speculated that the term "Cosmobiology" was coined specifically to divorce its precepts from the manifold ambiguities of, and subsequent widespread biases against, Classical Astrology.
Three prominent published Cosmobiological authors in the English language are German-American cosmobiologist Eleonora Kimmel, American cosmobiologist Aren Ober (formerly Savalan), and Australian cosmobiologist Doris Greaves, all of whom have published texts in Cosmobiology based on their own substantial experiences."

posted November 23, 2010 11:13 PM         

That is why there is no objective evidence. Science is actually subjective, and the only objective reality is the one that many together have agreed upon. Many have agreed that science is objective... so it is "proven" to be so.

Astrology is the map of God and until people begin to Understand God, they will never understand astrology.

"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts."
(Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
-Einstein

"The only real valuable thing is intuition."
-Einstein

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school."
-Einstein

posted November 23, 2010 11:41 PM         

Which one are you referring to? Personal bias, confirmation bias... Actually, the scientific method is designed to try to eliminate this. If any personal or confirmation bias is found, it invalidates the research.
What you are referring to is bad science. (Can you reword your comment so that scientific results becomes astrological results?)

Just think of how you have benefitted from science. My guess is that you like the internet, good medical care, your cell phone, and plenty of ways which you do not realize science is making your life better and longer.

"Astrology is the map of God and until people begin to Understand God, they will never understand astrology."

Hmm. This is an excellent example of a personal opinion since astrology cannot be proven as a map of God. Which astrology are you speaking about - western, Egyptian, sidereal- Vedic, Magi, Hellenistic, Chinese, Kabbalistic... (I'd also ask to which God you are referring, but let's skip that can of worms.)

posted November 23, 2010 11:41 PM         

Is that quote clearer for you, buddy?

posted November 24, 2010 12:11 AM         

A former boss I had, whom I definitely consider a mentor...
Honestly was one of the wisest, most knowledgeable souls I have ever met. He's extremely psychic; sees/hears ghosts regularly, astrology, extraordinary dreams & does some of the most accurate Tarot readings. His numerology points to the fact he's a very old soul...
....but he doesnt believe GOD exists...lol.

WHY?? That's beyond me.
We've debated about the topic before. He only believes there's "energy," in everything (plants, rocks, etc), because he can "tap" into this energy. Also he believes in doing good & helping humanity...that's all.

posted November 24, 2010 06:53 AM         

Agent 009, yes there are a variety of beliefs in the world. We tend to lump certain ones together as if they were a package deal. Some buy into the - God - creator God - afterlife - psychic ability -- while others buy into the panentheistic God - not creator God, reincarnation, "we are one" package. Others do not feel that these are synonymous or dependent on one another. One might feel that there is a deistic God, no afterlife, no psychic interconnection, while someone else might feel there is no God, reincarnation and no psychic interconnection.

Mystic Melody - cherry pick?? projection??

posted November 24, 2010 07:13 AM         

I was actually not referring to you. Your question / request seemed very reasonable for me, and personally I find these defensive reactions silly.

My personal opinion on this is simple:
I believe in astrology, because I have seen it - subjectively- work for me.
but I am very curious, too, to see if what I experienced may hold true for other people.

For me it is not a question of validation but curiosity.

posted November 24, 2010 07:16 AM         

i loved what you wrote. =)

about the 1st line...you really talking about Intention-Manifestation/LOA. what you expect is what its going to happen. while an observer,scientists proof that they were creating the results.according to what they were expecting to happen.

Einsten was an incredible soul.Why?because if you look closely and really see what his quotes are about really....you will see that,even being a Man of Science didnt impeed him to find out this Truth:

do you know why imagination is out greatest Gift? because its through our Imagination that we CREATE the Reality.we are the Creators of our reality.He said that reality is merely an illusion,cause we believe it to be the real deal,when its not...it seems very persistent but it just takes a shift of perspectives from ourselves,and it changes according to what we believe it to be so.

that is why is so subjective...it changes in accordance to your perception.

but of course...these beliefs are not ones that people would really look for...nobody is expecting this to bbe true...so they go for Science...only believing on what can be scientifically proof.

and im not judging anyone,i just was very happy to see how Mystic dissected this subject.and so...i wanted to explain a bit.

your Mind is already certain of something Kat...you wont find the proof you are looking for,even if its in front of your eyes..your Mind will always look for the flaws you´re wanting to find..to proove what your Mind/Ego accepts as the truth.

Astrology is accurate to the second.

but you will only see this when you let go of the Mind´s tricks.

i dont see where i might have disrespected you. i was just posting my opinion.before i was like i am today i also passed through a period of questioning.i questioned all! but the difference was that i didnt looked for the answers in science,cause science is mind-based,and i knew that what i wanted,was going into the heart´s direcction.

if you want to go with the Mind,go ahead.do what you think whats best for you,i was jusst trying to help.

my sincere opinion is that hte more you try to find the answers outside of you,the more lost you can be.
~( i passed through it,so i know it).

i wont post anymore in this thread as i know that the things i say can really me misinterpreted.

posted November 24, 2010 10:41 AM         

all these quests for...trying to proof something...outside of you....your Mind trying to control you by making you think that astrology is false.....

all of this is out of fear/pain.

all of this comes from pain.

and it is why i said i wont post about thse matters anymore....nobody here will proove anything really...no matter how the truth is there....you will only see WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE.

untill you stop a bit and look within.

posted November 24, 2010 01:18 PM         

quote:

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all these quests for...trying to proof something...outside of you....your Mind trying to control you by making you think that astrology is false.....

all of this is out of fear/pain.

all of this comes from pain.

and it is why i said i wont post about thse matters anymore....nobody here will proove anything really...no matter how the truth is there....you will only see WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE.

untill you stop a bit and look within.

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I don't really agree with this...I think having a deep, richly intellectual exploration of how the world works, and continuing to study, ask questions, collect empirical data, redo empirical studies, brainstorm, work on theoretical physics (versus empirical science, meaning a lot of it is hypothetical or axiomatic, until it isn't)...NONE of these expressions of curiousity and the joy of diligently using the brain is mutually exclusive with mysticism, love of oneself and the universe, or spiritual connection.

I think deep intellectual exploration is BRAVE, and skepticism often comes not out of pain or fear, but love of learning and a genuine desire for understanding.

I see bigotry and small-mindedness practiced in astrology, religion, the "hard sciences" and the social sciences often. There are also people who practice each of those things with open-mindedness. Some people who are closed-minded about the mystical or the unknown may indeed be frightened.

But on the other hand, those people who are unwilling to engage in rich debate, unwilling to explore contrasting opinions in a deep way (without name-calling, slurs, or black-and-white thinking), and who put down those who do not unquestioningly share their controversial beliefs (especially re: such issues as name frequency, god, or karma) as scared, ignorant, or somehow less spiritually evolved than they are----I think those people are often scared and threatened themselves, uncomfortable because they lack the scholarly and intellectual rigor (and by this I do not mean formal education, I mean a kind of stamina and bravery) to take on the beautiful and gleeful adventure of comparing and contrasting, questioning and re-questioning.

There are so many ways people can contribute to our world's evolution and improvement. It's not as simplistic as just looking a bit within--you can do that and ALSO fiercely debate and question things, try to push yourself, deeply read and study in many fields (the ancient religions, mythology, history, physics, math.) Einstein was on that path--and even with all his humility and brilliance, he still made some decisions that he considered to be terrible mistakes.