posted November 21, 2010 12:26 PM         

Astrology did satisfy Isaac Newton, the founder of textbook Physics. He has ten times more data compiled on esoteric subjects including Astrology in Latin which are not being translated nor distributed in public domain.

Astrology satisfies Mathematical Probability where you accept a consistent 66% success rate as true ["Science" accepts 34% of Matter as proof of all their millions of pages of Astro-Physics and Quantum Physics]

Actually, the probability will work out much better than that.

Here is the proof:
There have been 14 Earthquakes in recorded history with body counts exceeding 100,000.
11/14 have had Sidereal or Tropical Asteroid POSEIDON in Capricorn.

The Probability of such an occurrence being random is approximately 1 in six million.

posted November 21, 2010 02:41 PM         

Can you provide information about each of the fourteen earthquakes showing that they were in fact the worst in deaths and provide the charts? It would be most helpful. If not perhaps someone else can provide information.

Also where did the "66%" success rate come from? Also where did the one in 6 million come from? If this information exists, it should have come from some sort of study.

How were meanings determined/attributed to an astrological "event" aspect, etc?

posted November 21, 2010 04:24 PM         

If you want to PROVE astrology scientifically I believe it can be done and have already started doing some research on my own.
To prove with humans it is far too difficult as we always have the option of choice, we can be born with certain crappy aspects that might point to being a serial killer but whether we choose to follow that path is our CHOICE.
So what I did, was turn to cycles in the earth, particulary the cycles of earthquakes. The thing I love about earthquakes is that the time of earthquakes are always recorded and can be looked up easily .

Depending on what you want to do research on, there are several variables needed to taken account for. For earthquakes, I gathered the information of ALL the earthquakes that have happened on the San Andreas Fault (over 100) and compared them. My hypothesis is that earthquakes are caused by pent up energy that is suddenly released when there is a trigger. Now, what can pent up energy be astrologically? It can be stelliums, negative aspects, etc.....I'm not going to give too much info because it is MY research . But I feel that earthquakes should be studied by generation, narrowing down by the slowest planets to the slowest planets. Why? Because depending on what generational aspects are made to the slowest planets, that can influence another aspect such as sun conjunct pluto for simplicitys sake. For example, if you were to compare sun conjunct pluto in different generations you could either be comparing sun conjunct pluto that is conjunct neptune, or sun conjunct pluto that is square neptune.

And then after ALL this research is done, it has to be proven that you're findings are find in a higher frequency than in the general population of whatever you are studying.

The moon controls tidal waves, in astrology the moon is cancer which is a water element. Maybe earth planets control earth aspects, water planets control water aspects, etc. So if the link between earthquakes and astrology is made, then maybe there can be another follow up study to investigate what properties that planet has that affects those certain elements on earth.

Now, THIS, sort of study I found preferrable rather than just focusing on the planets mythological name which may or may not be accurate.

posted November 22, 2010 03:40 AM         

BUT I do have to mention one thing, he did not PROVE astrology. Like I said in a previous thread, correlation is not causation. What that means is that he came up with a bunch of findings that seem to be correlated, but it doesn't mean that one caused the other or that there is a DIRECT link between the two in actuality there are many different variables taking place.

Two things can occur together but that doesn't mean one caused the other. For example, say many people who smoke also drink. We all know that smoking causes lung cancer, so because of this association of smoking and drinking there is a correlation of drinking and lung cancer also, because smoking and drinking happen at the same time, although we know that drinking does not cause lung cancer. Smoking=causation, drinking=correlation.

posted November 22, 2010 03:53 AM         

I do not know your background, perhaps it is engineering? In any case, to know if your findings are statistically valid, you must use the probability success formula using Bernoulli Trials.
http://www.mathwords.com/b/binomial_probability_formula.htm

It is available on many math sites, that is what I use to determine my probability values. I do not depend on existing studies simply because there are not any public domain studies on this topic. Whatever we are doing, we are pioneers.

Just take my example of 14 Earthquakes that have have bodycounts of 100,000 or more.
You can forget about POSEIDON for now as your research is planetary. You just look at planetary stresses. You will find 14/14 will have planetary stress. But to make the results specific, one or two planets must occur consistently. From memory, I can tell you that 4 or 5 of the 14 quakes have stressed Neptune, 3-4 have stressed Uranus and Pluto and 6-7 have stressed Saturn. These 4 planets become you base for succesful outcome. Many of those quakes will have any of these 4 conjunct, squared or opposed within 2 degree orb.
You now have to calculate the probability of 4 planets suffering a square [2 chances], conjunction [one chance] or opposition [one chance] to one another or trigger planets like Sun and Mars.
WIth a 2 degree orb, the multiplier is 2/360 or 1/180.

Now number of planets is 6. Number of aspects chances is 4.
Total P(success) = 6 x 4/180 = 1/7.5

Take it as 1/7 for ease.

Now apply the math.

You will see that even if 7/14 quakes have this aspect, the probability of this being random is more than 1/100, or definitely viable.

You can open another thread here pertaining to your research, I can give you the planetary data if you wish. I had studied all Chilean and Indian quakes many months ago. I found more Asteroid co-relations but not as stunning as the most disastrous earthquakes.

best of luck!

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posted November 22, 2010 03:54 AM         

That's why it's best to me to use common sense, intuition, and keep an open mind, knowing nothing is set in stone.
I think it's all in the approach.

posted November 22, 2010 04:51 AM         

Drapetomania=runaway slave.

Anyways, the subject of psychology I won't go into because it angers me, lol.

MY belief, is that there is a sort of "underworld" going on that we are not aware of that is going on that MAY be that "change" that we see happen in 2012 (that is again, another subject that I won't go into, lol).

For example, I know that iQ had mentioned that there is a capricorn/cancer axis going on with earthquakes. I had noticed before that I had seen cancer/cap repeatedly while looking at earthquake charts and never really payed attention to it until iQ mentioned it. Then I thought about it,

capricorn:earth
cancer:water

Change in earth=earthquake
Change in water=tsunami

Wow, lol. and btw iQ I looked up almost every chart you posted on your thread, and, they had aquarius at 25 degrees like I had previously mentioned. How Strange.

posted November 22, 2010 05:07 AM         

These are the major elements found in each planet:

pluto-nitrogen
mercury-iron
saturn-hydrogen
jupiter-hydrogen, helium
sun-hydrogen, helium (plasma)
venus-carbon dioxide
etc.

When these come close to each other, they react either negatively or positively. For example, nitrogen and iron forms the strongest magnet known. Interesting right ...

posted November 22, 2010 05:44 PM         

It's about personal experience. If you don't wanna believe in it, just let it go. It is a subjective art. Skepticism just holds you back from receiving the benefit from Astrology.

A lot of things have supposedly been "proven" by science, and then later on the information was refuted. Science doesn't always work.

I think reality is more subjective than people realize. And no, I don't have PROOF of that, it just really seems that way sometimes. There is no way to know for sure, because you cannot step outside of your own body or your own reality.

If Astrology is helping you understand the world, and make more sense of your life then why even question it? Just let it work, and accept that sometimes you just need to have FAITH.

posted November 22, 2010 05:49 PM         

But once achieved, it's the gift that keeps on giving.

Are you telling me that everything that is 'proven' is something you believe in?

Well, I have news, even science doesn't legitimately and ultimately PROVE things. They are theories (things that have so called been proven) and they remain theories unless some other scientist comes along and proves otherwise.

posted November 22, 2010 05:53 PM         

It is not skepticism, it is about finding out what is clearly going on not just blindly relying on what you WANT to think that makes you feel special.

posted November 22, 2010 06:06 PM         

I understand you well.

I think it all comes down to the different approaches to astrology.
Some here see it as an "art", others (like me) see it as "science".

BTW have you read the book "when stars collide" by Paul Westran?
He investigated like 1300 progressed charts to find out if some pattern would emerge. He came from a "statistic professional background", if I remember it right, so I suppose he got his statistic right.

He found that certain aspects are often being found at the outset of a relationship, and that often a relationship ends, when that aspects has faded.
(most often it is a Sun-Venus conjunction or trine in the progressed-progressed or progressed-natal comparision; using 2 degree orb).

He doesn`t claim that it has ALWAYS to be the case, but according to my own research, his theory has never failed, if I allowed the DESC and ASC as Venus and Mars-point, too.

posted November 22, 2010 06:15 PM         

If astrology is "proven" and im throwing this term around loosely here because I know there are not too many science people here, then astrology can be refined and then be used for a greater cause. I can name out so many real life applications for astrology.

The bible teaches you about faith, there is no book out there on astrology that teaches you that astrology is about faith, because it is not. For you to say that we should follow what has been said about astrology blindly without question is such an ignorant statement.
What a closeminded and backwards point of view to discourage valid research on astrology because you think one should just have blind faith.

I personally believe in astrology, I just think that it can be defined scientifically also.

posted November 22, 2010 06:17 PM         

"For you to say that we should follow what has been said about astrology blindly without question is such an ignorant statement"

I didn't say we need to believe in astrology because of faith. I was simply addressing someones will to always have something proven.