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Topic: Planets in 8th House and Death
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ChristyT
Newflake Posts: 16
From: nyc
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 08:11 PM
  
Are you usually this irritating and condescending, Raspberri or do you have your period or something?I am allowed to have a VIEW here and yes, everyone knew she was going to die. So what.
Jupiter is the traditional ruler of Pisces/12th. Mars is the traditional ruler of scorpio/8th. Mars doesn't convey a separation to me. Jupiter does. I didn't even think about this until Coffee mentioned it. What makes you so sure you are right, or are you a professional astrologer? IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2381
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 08:13 PM
No.I just have an intolerance for stupidity. 8th house are things that get to us on a deep level. You are really absurd for saying everyone knew she was going to die. And also, that statement makes no sense at all. I'm saying the 8th house is death, not unexpectedness, genius. Ugh, and you really are mentally challenged if you think the 12th house is death. Sorry. IP: Logged |
ChristyT
Newflake Posts: 16
From: nyc
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 08:16 PM
Oh ok, so you are calling me stupid?
Are there not rules on this forum? You are no better than me from where l stand ~ in fact, l believe you are shorter than me. I'm not absurd. She even knew she was going to die. Everyone expected it. If you didn't then welcome to the minority. anyhow, JUPITER IS the planet of PISCES. Neptune is a modern ruler and jupiter is always present in death charts so why would that be? Maybe you'd like to comment. IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2381
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 08:17 PM
Why don't you prove it then I will refrain from thinking you don't have any sense. Jupiter is the planet of luck, friends and expansion. IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2381
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 08:21 PM
Pluto is death, not Jupiter!
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roadwarriorsdp
Knowflake Posts: 281
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Registered: Nov 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 08:25 PM
The 12th house can lead to death...that's true it's the house of self undueing for areason, because if the energies here are not met or converted through the 8th houses ability to transform into something constructive they will inevvitably lead to the down fall of the personbut I don't believe I have ever read the 12th house is necessarily death and it's associated with prison and hospitals because these are the first places people go when they "undue" themselves....... I think of the 12th house as the collective unconcious....nothing more nothing less...this way it incorporates the entire zodiac as a fractal in itself as well as all the things it traditional represents....It's the source of divine inspiration only accecible through the 8th. The images from your head come from here, what you do with them is the rest of the zodiac......that's why the 8th house is how someone handles death, because the assumption is if you don't handle it, it will manifest as you dying. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
Knowflake Posts: 281
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posted December 18, 2010 08:29 PM
for example I have capricorn in the 8th house....I'm slow to aquire habbits but also slow to lose them.......If I cant release or transform fast enough I become dysfunctional, unable to handle the contents spewing forth from my uncocious, or the collective conciousness....we have access to the collective unconcious as well but it's much deeper and more mystical...it's what artists attempt to tap into believing that if httey can predict what people wnat ot hear next they can become more successful.IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2381
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 08:29 PM
12th house is things we don't immediately notice. It's things we deal with alone, on an emotional level. It's personal karma, springing from our soul, being dealt with consciously and unconsciously. It's things that aren't tangible, and death is tangible. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
Knowflake Posts: 281
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Registered: Nov 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 08:38 PM
if you look at a swastica and overlap it with the madra, you will see where the shadow of each of the four major points seeds.
then you can see what signs are in teh shadow,
and you can begin to seperate yourself into two parts with respect to every aspect of your life.
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Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 4810
From: Sacramento,California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 18, 2010 08:38 PM
shrugsPeople are free to express their alternative astrological views even if they are controversial to people that uphold the astrological status quo
A lot of things in Astrology aren't black and white. Many things can be questioned. Many things can be changed.
Astrology is ruled by Uranus, the planet associated with change.
It's not ruled by Saturn, the planet associated with rigidity.
Can't we just let others express their views without insinuating that people are stupid,unenlightened,and/or ignorant?
There are lot of things that I question and have changed in regards to mainstream Astrology. I can see why Reinhold Ebertin, Theodor Landscheidt, Johannes Kepler had issues with mainstream Astrology and preferred a different approach to it.
That doesn't make them stupid,unenlightened,and or ignorant.
There is a lot of diversity in Astrology.
The idea that that there is a "One and True" Astrology is a crazy and destructive that can be blown out of the water. Steven Forrest said that. 48 minutes into the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWN8kk1uVhM&playnext=1&list=PL73A3E987E8E84707&index=8
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No..I am not a Virgo. Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2381
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 08:42 PM
12th house still isn't death.
I can prove it.
But it has already been proven with my original post.
And Pluto is death.
When Pluto is on the IC/MC someone usually dies; mother or father.
Happens over and over again.
Now if someone wants to offer their opinion that's one thing.
But don't say the 8th house isn't death, unless you can prove it. IP: Logged |
roadwarriorsdp
Knowflake Posts: 281
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Registered: Nov 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 09:03 PM
Glaucus! A noble deed, indeed!Rasp....I agree with you but Glaucus is right in a way, the principles astrology is based on allow for some change and variety... and the same time I still think the 12th house being death is absurd and that may be because mine is intercepted and a fear a long and arduous life. IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 2381
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 18, 2010 09:05 PM
Yeah, but I mean, when you can prove the 12th house is death, then I will believe it. And the principles of astrology have been constant to me. IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1074
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 19, 2010 09:42 AM
The 12th house from something is the 'end' of something. Your life is house 1, as this is where you are when you are born. You come into existence. When you die, it is the 'end' (12) of your life (1)I can post up some charts., but no-one will listen if they don't want to. Did astrologers get it wrong? Possibly. I can see why many would not want a different viewpoint to what they already have, because they don't like being wrong. I am also sure that it could be something else too, maybe even 8th, but I cannot find the 8th house in death, and no, I don't need examples. You can use numerous examples of celebrity deaths (not wise) but you wouldn't have the accurate time or accurate details of whether they did die or just got sick of being in the limelight. I have done research from my own mother, who passed many years ago. I have rectified many many charts over the years and consider myself an expert on this. More people should question the astrologers they look up to, and the information they receive from them. All they have done is lots of talks and written a few books. IP: Logged |
ChristyT
Newflake Posts: 16
From: nyc
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 19, 2010 10:14 AM
 for this post coffee.I agree that the 12th house is important and that so many people are stuck on the 8th house theory. So do you not see pluto solar arcs in death then? I wish l could email you to show you something. Is that possible? IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1074
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 19, 2010 10:17 AM
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ChristyT
Newflake Posts: 16
From: nyc
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 19, 2010 10:21 AM
Got it, thanks  IP: Logged |
Chaos
Knowflake Posts: 48
From: Serbia
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 19, 2010 10:21 AM
Sorry to bother you guys while you're talking about the importance of 8th/12th house, but I need an opinion of this chart's obvious connection of the 8th to 12th house (Saturn 8th squares Jupiter in 12th, Uranus 8th squares Mars in 12th).What is your interpretation of this chart? Will the end for them be short & sweet? I don't think so...what do you think? Dying alone in a hospital? Fallen into a coma, maybe?...  IP: Logged |
ChristyT
Newflake Posts: 16
From: nyc
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 19, 2010 10:24 AM
I don't believe you can see death in a natal chart. IP: Logged |
Chaos
Knowflake Posts: 48
From: Serbia
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 19, 2010 10:34 AM
Damn, why did you edit your post, I liked the original better...  Beheading, huh? Very nice. Could it be at the age of 105 or something?  I always thought that person....oh, hell, I always thought I (since it's my own damned chart) would live longer...well, a bit longer than the average person...Some say Saturn & Ceres in the 8th could prolong your life...Yeah, I wanna live beyond 100, that's my "plan"...  IP: Logged |
ChristyT
Newflake Posts: 16
From: nyc
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 19, 2010 10:37 AM
from what i have read on here whilst lurking, it seems like some people take offence to the slightest notion of humor so l thought best that l edit.Yeah, 105 sounds pretty good to me. IP: Logged |
Chaos
Knowflake Posts: 48
From: Serbia
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 19, 2010 10:47 AM
quote:
from what i have read on here whilst lurking, it seems like some people take offence to the slightest notion of humor so l thought best that l edit.
Yeah, 105 sounds pretty good to me.
To be honest, and no offense to anyone, cause it's the truth & there's no point in ignoring that (I cannot keep quiet, probably has to do something with Mercury-MC conjunction ), there's a certain number of psychologically damaged people on this board...or maybe they just don't have a sense of humor?  I think I'm mentally & emotionally stable (no matter what my chart says about me ) & mature enough to recognize a joke & not be offended by it.
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roadwarriorsdp
Knowflake Posts: 281
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Registered: Nov 2010
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posted December 19, 2010 10:47 AM
I agree with christy but what I can tell about that chart is the relationship between the 8th house and the 12th house that's working behind the scenes and that's transcendence through drugs as pisceas is on the 12 thou and sag is on the 8th their common denominator is jupiter.
It just makes me intuitvely think of someone who recedes into themselvs and then needs to escape...vesta in the 12th...it depends though because it could just be done the same by sex isntead of drugs...but i know for a fact pisces in the 8th gives someone a weak will towards drugs and a tendency to blame others for their use...or they literally could transform significantly and be something great...the power of the 8th house works both ways...
that's why it's so important we stay grounded and at the very best not make things worse for us we're more prone to addictions
and negative emotions
and our art will vascillate because of this
so now i'm realizing maybe i shouldn't be an artist...except for abstract paintings i'm a mater at drawing abstract geometry..but ti changes it's insane i'm starting to realize the implications of this house i bet othe rpeople here vascillate as well...the 8th house should be called the house of eb and flow. my friend had pisces in the 8th and he kept calling me an enabler and all I did was gie him some cigarettes and spliff. IP: Logged |
ChristyT
Newflake Posts: 16
From: nyc
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted December 19, 2010 10:49 AM
Chaos... my thoughts exactly. I'm glad to see your humor is healthy, wealthy and wise IP: Logged |
Chaos
Knowflake Posts: 48
From: Serbia
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 19, 2010 11:08 AM
@ roadwarriorsdp: Thanks for the insightful review! Regarding drugs, the situations, the environment & the people I hang out with could lead me into the world of heavy drug use...But, I became a straight-edge very early in my life, never touched drugs, ever! I don't even take a pill when I have a headache - nothing! Also, alcohol & cigarettes - yuck! I guess I was just lucky to avoid all that...Jupiter as a savior?  However, can't say I'm not addiction prone...if you count the obscene amounts of chocolate I consume! ...Also, negative emotions...yeah, unfortunately, a common thing with me...But, as I'm getting older, I'm learning to let go of those....
@ ChristyT: Thanks. Yeah, well...I'm just trying to look at things objectively...and to have a sense of humor about everything, even if it's something so serious like death...
NOTE: I apologize about my grammar...I'll never learn English properly...
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