posted January 11, 2011 01:49 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Glaucus,

Well, speaking generally of sun signs is one thing. Speaking in context of taking all of known astrology is entirely different...

Your point about falling outside of the "Typical Scorpio" pattern is the reason why many feel cookie cutter astrology horoscopes don't apply to them.

It's good that you're taking things to the next step.

I didn't mean to imply that there are NO SCORPIOS in the world that never have the impulse to tell someone else where to shove it, only that the majority that I meet, considering the sun sign alone, seem much more controlled with their words than say... an ARIES

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Yes..I understand.
I didn't think that you were implying anything. I was just explaining how I am as a Scorpio.

my exgf Meghann had Sun,Mercury,and Mars in Aries in 1st house.

There wasn't much incompatibility

Her Moon in Scorpio trine my Moon in Pisces
Her Ascendant in Pisces oppose my Ascendant in Virgo
Her Mars in Aries sextile my Mars in Aquarius

even her Sun in Aries was actually in a triseptile to my Sun in Scorpio

They were actually in a 7th harmonic aspect.
Robert Hand said that they have a Uranus-Neptune flavor, energy linkings not entirely of this world.

In his book on relationships, Robert Blaschke said that the 7th harmonic aspect between 2 charts can point to a fated relation

The problem with the relationship was that her mother was hurt by Meghann's father and and another man, and so she thought all men were bad. She developed a strong dislike for men,and she didn't want her daughters being involved with men. She didn't think men could be trusted. After Meghann told her mother about me, her mother was angry with her and acted like she was betrayed for Meghann lying to her about me. That pretty much led to the ending of our relationship with her breaking up with me and never contacting me again.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 11, 2011 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Glaucus:
The problem with the relationship was that her mother was hurt by Meghann's father and and another man, and so she thought all men were bad. She developed a strong dislike for men,and she didn't want her daughters being involved with men. She didn't think men could be trusted. After Meghann told her mother about me, her mother was angry with her and acted like she was betrayed for Meghann lying to her about me. That pretty much led to the ending of our relationship with her breaking up with me and never contacting me again.

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That sounds like a dysfunctional mother-daughter relationship... ick.

posted January 11, 2011 03:05 PM            

the women do hate looking weak, or out of control of their emotions. This 'control' thing is probably the most apparent quality about scorpios.

posted January 11, 2011 03:35 PM            

I remember IQ saying before that Scorpio men were a challege that fire signs were probably most up for.

posted January 11, 2011 03:49 PM            

I mean I know many scorp-sag couples !!

posted January 11, 2011 03:57 PM            

Libra and Taurus can be compatible with their shared ruler,Venus

Sagittarius and Pisces can be compatible with their shared ruler, Jupiter

Gemini and Virgo can be compatible with their shared ruler, Mercury

Those things were said in the book,
The Astrology of Human Relationships by Frances Sakoian and Louis S. Acker

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 12, 2011 08:52 AM            

There are countless women(try checking out forums such as these) who think that waiting through the trails a Scorpio may put you through, and you'll reap a reward in the end and he'll finally let you in if he's confusing the hell out of you with "tests". My post was basically a warning to not be a glutton for punishment no matter what is happening astrologically in someone's chart, or and to expose some of what is labeled as "mysterious" as simply a very strong fear of truly connecting intimately and sharing who they really are due to a lot of Scorpios holding onto pain from their troubled past that has traumatized them in some way.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a private person; I am a private person myself. I am a natural loner -- always have been. (I do have Pluto in the first tightly squaring my moon, so I can kinda relate) But anti-social behavior, or when a Scorpio who becomes consumed with fear and their very strong survival instinct kicks in and they sting you and sting themselves -- I was telling others to back away because you shouldn't excuse it and go "oh, he/she is a Scorpio so I should tolerate that kind of behavior." In no way was I referring that all Scorpios are that way because I believe everyone is an individual and has free will regardless of any astrological aspect in the end. I even said that a Scorpio would sacrifice themselves if they loved you without even thinking about it, and that if their trust issues were worked out that would be the most faithful and enduring friends/lovers you would ever meet.

And I would never judge someone purely by their sun sign. It's the #1 detail I want to know immediately when looking at the chart for the first time, but at the same time so small and trivial once you look at the whole chart and all it has to offer. This is why I also described the elements in addition to the sun sign to add some variety to my description and some other factors as well.

And also, I have to disagree with one thing. I think fear does play a larger role with a Scorpio than you are letting on. Why? Behind sadness, behind anger, behind hate, behind doubt, behind the inability to connect with others on an emotionally healthy level...is fear. Fear is the most destructive feeling in the universe, and is the basic building block for every negative emotion you can experience. If fear did not exist all there would exist is love. It's a necessity for our development in this life, but when it overtakes someone it never does anything good. And my point was that trying to get a Scorpio to change if they exhibit the "perpetual mysterious persona" and never let the walls down they are hiding behind fear -- not simply being "mysterious" because they are a Scorpio. And the only person that can change that is themselves. And that others should only invest as much energy or time in a friendship/relationship as the other person is putting into the relationship regardless of Sun Sign. That was the basis of my message, to shed some light on this kind of behavior which confuses other people. Not to label Scorpios as bad people who are ready and willing to take advantage of you despite some bad experiences I have had with some of them.

I'm sorry if you felt offended but that was not my intention. So let me be clear: I have nothing against Scorpios what-so-ever despite any bad experiences. In fact, it's one of the most fascinating signs to me, they always seem to trust me as we'll have conversations for hours and they'll really open up to me which is supposed to be rare,(they'll usually remark that I'm somehow "different" than most in some way) and my top fatal attraction I suppose. I don't find them; they always find me. lol!

posted January 12, 2011 02:22 PM            

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This is why you have to be careful if they show the warning signs and not make excuses for them or learn the hard way. However, the completely opposite scenario will occur if they are spiritually evolved scorp and truly love you. They won't even have to think about it.[/B]

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posted January 14, 2011 12:36 AM            

Ami: If you have a site you can go to like astro.com or alabe.com(under free chart) I'll do you one better. Put in Aug 22 1987 Nashville, TN at 10:42 a.m.

JohnFKennedy:
Sure, I'll look for it. If I can't find it I'll post again and maybe you can post a link. But you are right, it easy to get hooked into the stereotypes despite most astrological descriptions being completely valid. They just need to focus on why signs become the people they are today rather than it's just because they were born under that sign as being an efficient answer to not investigate further. Like my cousin who is a Scorpio,(with a gemini moon, capricorn venus) scorp merc and mars, asc unknown but 90% its taurus) cried all the time when he was a kid. He took offense to everything his family did/said to him. Now, he never cries. He has that "wall" up with the air of mystery. He frequently falls in love with air signs who leave him or have issues with his possessiveness. That "kid" that used to cry -- well, I was there when the love of his life at the time broke up with him with a phone call near the holidays one year. All he mentioned to me was "she broke up with me" when I asked about it and we all went back to playing video games and whatnot soon after. He talked about her the whole time before that phone call, and then suddenly didn't mention a word about her afterward. He didn't even seem like he had a break-up the entire time was there during the holidays with him that year. Now that I know he was a Scorpio...it must have been killing him on the inside. You would never guess that my cousin who used to the be what his family considered overly sensitive kid who had so many troubles when he was younger is the chill, non-animated, unemotional,(on the outside) easy-going guy he is today. Too often people forget because of the Pluto/Mars influence that Scorpio is a WATER sign, and is every bit as emotional as Pisces or Cancer because they have a different way of handling their emotions than the other two water signs.

Here's a pic btw:

Amazing despite their reputation for being the most mysterious sign you can always feel that scorp energy sucker-punch you right in the face especially in their "serious" pictures! lol

Nicki:
It's completely cool and an easy mistake to make. I used the word spiritually unevolved scopios I think and kept on going on about it without really clarifying, so I could see how it could happen. I will accept your apology but there's no need to apologize. I'm just glad I was able to clear up the real meaning behind my post with you.

Maddi:

That's tough because everyone is different, but I would say the biggest clue is inconsistent behavior. I don't know how to phrase this exactly, but when someone is consistently inconsistent, that is a bad sign. Especially since Scorpio is a fixed sign, so they are slow to start with a strong finish with most things. So when you get that push-pull/pull-push feeling, along with your gut instinct telling you something is amiss along with that "something is not right here" feeling, PAY ATTENTION! Too often I have given the benefit of the doubt over and over and over again trying to be a "nice" person. It had nothing to do with being a nice person, and it was just the other person wasn't really respecting me. So respect yourself or others will not -- Scorpio or no Scorpio.

posted January 14, 2011 12:57 PM            

I would like to add he is a Scorpio/Rooster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_zodiac

Scorpio/Rooster
Being a Scorpio all the while being a Rooster, Goat or Pig is also being constantly at grips with strong temptations of perversion. The Scorpio/Rooster is drawn between the murky world of sexuality and the formidable potentialities of libido. The Scorpio/Goat has difficulty getting rid of his perverse penchants, his impulses, his anguishes. Finally, the Scorpio/Pig is very much inclined to masochism and defeatism, above all if he experienced ordeals in his childhood.
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http://www.usbridalguide.com/special/chinesehoroscopes/Rooster.htm

Scorpio Rooster
These are very persistent and determined individuals. They see what they want and keep going after it until they have it, whether it be someone or something. These Roosters also have a foreboding side to them which could surface at anytime.

I am unsure which element neil young is of, I however am of the yin metal element.

THE METAL ROOSTER 1921 AND 1981
Metal Roosters can come off as arrogant and stuck up at times. They need a cushion for that overextended ego and someone to make sure it stays inflated. They are reasonable people who seem to analyze every decision they make and every situation they find themselves in. They are standoffish at times and can let their aggression get in the way of a blossoming friendship or romance. These Roosters should take a breather from their egos long enough to really enjoy what they have to offer.

Metal (Chinese: 金; pinyin: jīn), is the decline of the matter, or the matter's decline stage.[1]

Yang Metal types are driven by the need to succeed. They are aggressive, astute, and tend not to count the cost of winning.

posted January 14, 2011 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
"Even Neil Young, who isn't handsome had that devilish look in his eye, back in the day"

I would like to add he is a Scorpio/Rooster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_zodiac

Scorpio/Rooster
Being a Scorpio all the while being a Rooster, Goat or Pig is also being constantly at grips with strong temptations of perversion. The Scorpio/Rooster is drawn between the murky world of sexuality and the formidable potentialities of libido. The Scorpio/Goat has difficulty getting rid of his perverse penchants, his impulses, his anguishes. Finally, the Scorpio/Pig is very much inclined to masochism and defeatism, above all if he experienced ordeals in his childhood.
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http://www.usbridalguide.com/special/chinesehoroscopes/Rooster.htm

Scorpio Rooster
These are very persistent and determined individuals. They see what they want and keep going after it until they have it, whether it be someone or something. These Roosters also have a foreboding side to them which could surface at anytime.

I am unsure which element neil young is of, I however am of the yin metal element.

THE METAL ROOSTER 1921 AND 1981
Metal Roosters can come off as arrogant and stuck up at times. They need a cushion for that overextended ego and someone to make sure it stays inflated. They are reasonable people who seem to analyze every decision they make and every situation they find themselves in. They are standoffish at times and can let their aggression get in the way of a blossoming friendship or romance. These Roosters should take a breather from their egos long enough to really enjoy what they have to offer.

Metal (Chinese: 金; pinyin: jīn), is the decline of the matter, or the matter's decline stage.[1]

Yang Metal types are driven by the need to succeed. They are aggressive, astute, and tend not to count the cost of winning.

**Yin Metal types, are more concerned with the fruits of success than with succeeding itself.

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wait a minute, i'm a scorpio/snake but all of that fits me perfectly...except the metal and pig part...the snake also describes me perfectly too...maybe its because i was born at a rooster time on a water pig day on a yin earth snake year

posted January 15, 2011 08:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Glaucus:

it was never about attention,gain,control,fear mongering

It was totally different

it was more like standing up for myself, my being impulsive, passionate, and having that "you don't own me..I am not your slave"

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Exactly! You don't OWN me and you never will. It was my 0 Aries Mars in the 8th that used to shoot off like that in people's faces.