posted January 13, 2011 07:53 AM            

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Holly, EVERYONE gets bashed on this forum. I have skimmed articles back years, and this place has a history of it...

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Your problem is not your chart,Pluto Squared, but your character.
Lalalinda is THE most respected person on LL second only to Randall.
If Lalalinda has things to say to you about how YOU TREAT people, you best listen.
Your chart is NO excuse for the disrespect YOU dish out to many,many people on LL

posted January 13, 2011 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:


Your problem is not your chart,Pluto Squared, but your character.
Lalalinda is THE most respected person on LL second only to Randall.
If Lalalinda has things to say to you about how YOU TREAT people, you best listen.
Your chart is NO excuse for the disrespect YOU dish out to many,many people on LL

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posted January 13, 2011 09:59 AM            

I would appreciate if we stayed on topic. This topic is not about me...

This topic is about:

"What Fire Contributes to The Zodiac"

If you would like to focus on the thread to comment about this in particular, please do. Otherwise, attempts to stir up a fight will be ignored.

posted January 13, 2011 11:27 AM            

There is no more dominant an object in the sky than the sun. Life literally revolves around it. The second fire sign, Leo, is ruled by it. The sun god was supreme, without rival. No other celestial objects compete with the sun while in the sky. This is the nature of Leo energy.

The sun generously blankets light and warmth on all life, without discretion, or favoritism. Leo energy is infused with the life-giving force that the sun embodies. Inspiration finds voice in Leo through feeling compassion for others, driven by the need to give and the need to shine. The light of the flame burns hot in Leo, full of life, power, and hubris.

Leo calls out for others in the darkness, luring them in with magnificent light. Leo does not like to be alone. This phase of fire energy reaches its high when surrounded by others, sharing, giving, and basking in the approval and acceptance of those around.

posted January 13, 2011 11:33 AM            

Imagine pure pitch black, void of life. Suddenly a flash, then flames fight back the darkness. In the light one can see one’s self for the first time. The self is discovered. This is Aries energy.

Aries is the first sign of the zodiac, positioned on the horizon, the sun rising; life is new, the day is new, the self is untainted, unrestricted, and open to discovery. Here fire energy exudes extraordinary light and heat. Here life is born.

Floating in the void, Aries energy examines the self before looking out at the environment. Illuminated by the original flame, Aries identifies limits, explores capability, and seeks to establish a place in the world. Once Aries looks outward, the world is at their fingertips. The light is cast out ahead and Aries heads forth with courage and conviction.

Aries fire energy does not appreciate compromise, and usually possesses concrete ideas of where and what it wants to do. Being the first sign of the zodiac and the first fire sign, a dynamic confidence courses through Aries.

posted January 13, 2011 11:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Agent_009:
PLUTOSQUARED,
["My son is a Cancer Asc and Cancer Sun/ Saggy Moon... "]

--Since your double fire, and he's double water...I'm curious, how do you find that playing out for you? Is his water putting out your fire?? I dont know how old your son is, perhaps he's not old enough to be at the stage of butting heads with you yet??

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He's old enough, and we get along very well.

posted January 13, 2011 11:58 AM            

We laugh a lot together, and while he likes to be by my side, he likes to adventure and explore.

I wouldn't have thought we would be so compatible, knowing more than my fair share of Cancer, but we jive.

posted January 13, 2011 12:14 PM            

That's good to hear. I guess it's cuz your son's other core luminary is fire, so it balances out. I have a friend, stellium fire...dating a stellium water. I just wondered how that would play out. From sources I've read, overly water always eventually puts out the fire.

posted January 13, 2011 12:41 PM            

is Pisces Venus your only water placement?? I'm guessing maybe you have lots of planets in Water houses to balance it??

posted January 13, 2011 06:53 PM            

Anyways, I think whoa cakes put it better than I meant to say it to begin with. The whole cardinal thing kind of just reminded me: Alexander the Great = CANCER.

posted January 13, 2011 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
I have an Aries Mars around the aries point (actually its at 1 degree so not really) but its squared by a fire saturn/12th comes with a Cap Rising so I can relate to dampened enthusiasm quite a bit. It does get nasty though when I forget about that saturn and I'm left with the Aries Mars and the Cancer Stellium....and somebody's also made me P.O'd. =__=

Anyways, I think whoa cakes put it better than I meant to say it to begin with. The whole cardinal thing kind of just reminded me: Alexander the Great = CANCER.

Oh, and me and Pluto were just having a discussion so I don't know why we're getting into character judgement now. Not neccesary.

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posted January 13, 2011 07:37 PM            

the odd thing is, im not sure i really relate to fire at all in expression..

for me its very very internalized and not often expressed. i'm usually considered mature for my age, and don't relate to childishness in the expressive behavioural sense.

my expresssion of my fire is all ironed out with earth, contained, internalized. i consider myself more earthy, Rock, but im actually really firey inside, my analogy of me would be a volcano, molten rock, incrediblky firey in the core, but not the outer, no flames.

i relate to air, i have venus in libra, in the 3rd house, but what really emphasis an intellectual - air energy is the fact that my mars and mercury are in virgo, a mercurial house. my mercury is in the 3rd house and it rules the 3rd house.

i lack water but not energy wise, i have strong pluto energy with the asc (square) and neptune square moon, neptune also quincunx's my asc. my moon trines my asc, so perhaps those water planets have put out my fire asc. my moon is a fire sign and so is my sun, both in fire houses (sun 1st, moon 9th). but the neptune square to moon probably puts out the fire, and gthe saturn square probably turns it to molten rock aha

my sun trines uranus, that backs up the air energy.

posted January 13, 2011 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Agent_009:
PLUTOSQUARED,

is Pisces Venus your only water placement?? I'm guessing maybe you have lots of planets in Water houses to balance it??

That's interesting you said Libra & Cancer gets along well. I know my Earth luminaries is supposed to get along with all water elements. However, I've always felt a clash with Cancer & Pisces. I kind of just attributed the clash to my Libra stellium squaring Cancer. Although Scorpio does seem to work fine for me. Since my best bud who's Scorp & I havent killed each other yet...

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Agent_009,

I actually have mostly fire and air. No Earth. My stellium is in 3rd house in Libra, My Sun and Mercury in 9th in Aries... and Venus in 7th in Pisces.

posted January 13, 2011 10:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
I have an Aries Mars around the aries point (actually its at 1 degree so not really) but its squared by a fire saturn/12th comes with a Cap Rising so I can relate to dampened enthusiasm quite a bit. It does get nasty though when I forget about that saturn and I'm left with the Aries Mars and the Cancer Stellium....and somebody's also made me P.O'd. =__=

Anyways, I think whoa cakes put it better than I meant to say it to begin with. The whole cardinal thing kind of just reminded me: Alexander the Great = CANCER.

Oh, and me and Pluto were just having a discussion so I don't know why we're getting into character judgement now. Not neccesary.

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Glad to know you can relate to the saturn square. I wonder if one would notice the square more consistently than the opposition? Or, what the exact difference would be between the opposition and the square from Saturn...

I know the opposition definitely feels like it's unexpected and somewhat "jumps" in to yank me backwards... It's frustrating, because I also want to see from the perspective of Saturn in my 3rd house...

posted January 13, 2011 11:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Agent_009:
PLUTOSQUARED,

is Pisces Venus your only water placement?? I'm guessing maybe you have lots of planets in Water houses to balance it??

That's interesting you said Libra & Cancer gets along well. I know my Earth luminaries is supposed to get along with all water elements. However, I've always felt a clash with Cancer & Pisces. I kind of just attributed the clash to my Libra stellium squaring Cancer. Although Scorpio does seem to work fine for me. Since my best bud who's Scorp & I havent killed each other yet...

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That's interesting that Libra & Scorpio DO get along so well... do you find that Scorpio can be a little too serious for you? Or, that doesn't bother you, at all?

posted January 13, 2011 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
That's interesting that Libra & Scorpio DO get along so well... do you find that Scorpio can be a little too serious for you? Or, that doesn't bother you, at all?

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well now, no wonder i love virgos so much, lol...including my virgo sun, scorpio rising father

posted January 13, 2011 11:02 PM            

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Originally posted by letram:
im a full house fire (asc.sun.moon - and southnode)

the odd thing is, im not sure i really relate to fire at all in expression..

for me its very very internalized and not often expressed. i'm usually considered mature for my age, and don't relate to childishness in the expressive behavioural sense.

my expresssion of my fire is all ironed out with earth, contained, internalized. i consider myself more earthy, Rock, but im actually really firey inside, my analogy of me would be a volcano, molten rock, incrediblky firey in the core, but not the outer, no flames.

i relate to air, i have venus in libra, in the 3rd house, but what really emphasis an intellectual - air energy is the fact that my mars and mercury are in virgo, a mercurial house. my mercury is in the 3rd house and it rules the 3rd house.

i lack water but not energy wise, i have strong pluto energy with the asc (square) and neptune square moon, neptune also quincunx's my asc. my moon trines my asc, so perhaps those water planets have put out my fire asc. my moon is a fire sign and so is my sun, both in fire houses (sun 1st, moon 9th). but the neptune square to moon probably puts out the fire, and gthe saturn square probably turns it to molten rock aha

my sun trines uranus, that backs up the air energy.

i just dont behave like a fire sign much imo.

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posted January 13, 2011 11:48 PM            

-Cardinal is the mode that initiates, not the Fire element specifically, only Aries, which is a Cardinal sign

-Fire is misunderstood because it's viewed as childish. It's not their fault, it's the lack of respect from other people in the way they see Fire signs and childlike qualities. People forget that creativity comes from a child's way of seeing the world, being curious and open to experience. Fire is here to experience life, not to sit on the sidelines.

-Fire void charts can produce people who show huge Fire traits, even alcoholism (a fire sign affliction, "drinking the fire", smoking), dancing, creative arts, love affairs up the wazoo. You can call it overcompensation, or you can say that the element is very incorporated, hence it's lack of emphasis. There are 2 trains of thought on this.