posted January 11, 2011 01:19 PM            

Before you brush this off as an ego-centric ranting, hear me out.

Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius have a way of heating things up, getting them out into the open, initiating fights, etc. etc. kinda like putting flame on the gasoline.

When things go BOOM, the earth signs have more to rebuild, the water signs have more hearts to heal and emotionally process, the air signs have more to think about... and everyone is happy?

posted January 11, 2011 02:58 PM            

I was going to offer up a friend with a fire singleton, but it's Jupiter in Aries, and he also has Sun conjunct Mars to make him more confrontational than myself with my three Sag planets.

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Or maybe the difference is between weak emotion vs. strong emotion... if that makes sense.

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posted January 11, 2011 08:12 PM            

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Originally posted by holly:
Something about water signs that I don't understand is how they think they show more emotion than fire signs ... but isn't passion about emotion? Or maybe the difference is between weak emotion vs. strong emotion... if that makes sense.

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passion is all emotion...but i think how water shows more emotions is that they are more open about it and that they hold on longer than fire signs...and i know this is a very biased way to look at it but i see it as an ice burg....fire signs emotions (the ones they show) are as deep as the tip of the ice burg while water signs emotions are all the rest of the ice burg thats under the surface of the water

and PS, yea with out fire things probably wouldnt get done, lol

posted January 11, 2011 08:57 PM            

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the air signs have more to think about...

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The air sign most likely has already thought about it and let it go as not worth the emotional (useless?) outburst.

Spoken by a aqua sun, cappy asc and virgo moon. Hope that helps

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted January 11, 2011 10:15 PM            

Example Situations:

- At a battle, Fires may rush out into the field first, infusing the other troops with momentum & spirit. Fire initiates/ Good.

- Group Bullying in a school yard. Fire most likely initiates/ Bad.

- Someone needs to establish a company & most of all have it run successfully to the point of being able to hire employees. Same as having a King/War General to plan warfare tactics & then set their Military leaders at the right battle field to lead the troops. Earth initiates.

- Something like Scientific Discoveries, Philosophical, or Abstract concepts. Air's curiosity leads them to think about it first, which leads them to discovering something. Air initiates.

- Many healer archetypes are Pisces (water) or Virgos. Water (through empathy), may feel the need to help someone else resolve their pain whether it's psychological or physical. Hence initiates further understanding into the healing arts. Whereas Virgo earth, may want to be a healer, motivated by their need to take care of others. Both initiates but rooting from a different motivation.

There's really so many different examples & situations. I think it's hard to box in any element. BenedictMoon also pointed out, I do think it comes down to Cardinal energy, or more specifically what each individual sign's core motivation value is.

posted January 11, 2011 10:24 PM            

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No, I'm not confused. I've lived around enough Leos and Sagittarius' to know that I am definitely NOT the only one stirring the pot

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posted January 11, 2011 10:44 PM            

I am absolutely sure that I've seen my fair share of Leos and Saggy's that INITIATE war, conflicts, arguments, etc...

posted January 12, 2011 11:27 PM            

Fire signs: Aries, Leo and Sagittarius

Air

Airy people are quick and animated. They apply their energies in very diverse ways. They tend to intellectualize their feelings and expectations.

Air signs: Libra, Aquarius, Gemini

Water

People with a strongly emphasized water element are feeling types and are very sensitive. Their imaginative and emotional lives are deep and rich.

Water signs: Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces

Earth

Earthy people react quietly and slowly. They apply themselves with endurance. Emotionally they are deeply rooted and slow to change.

Earth signs: Capricorn, Taurus, Virgo

Western traditional sources also take into account a fifth element, the 'quinta essentia'. This very simply describes the soul or the spiritual being of a person. It stands apart from the other four elements and is not depicted in the horoscope. This is why it is frequently overlooked. It takes us beyond the doctrine of the four elements and their application in the field of astrology. It hints at the freedom of man and reminds us of the great mystery of the eternal.

Elementary states or Qualities

Each of the four elements occurs in three states or qualities, respectively named the cardinal, fixed and mutable or common states. We can consider the physical properties of water as an analogy: Here too, chemical elements can occur in various states. Water, for example, is liquid in its usual, real state. Seen astrologically this would be the cardinal state. When frozen it takes on a solid form, astrologically this would correspond with the fixed state. When heated, it becomes vaporous steam - comparable to the mutable state in astrology. In the individual horoscope, the placement of planets in cardinal, fixed or mutable signs also reveals basic traits of the personality.

Cardinal

People with an emphasis on cardinal signs have an urge to take the lead and to shape things. They are initiators and act according to their aims and goals.

Cardinal signs: Aries, Libra, Cancer, Capricorn

Fixed

People with an emphasis on the fixed signs have a desire to build on what is already there and to organize it more efficiently. They tend to preserve a "status quo" and act in response to given circumstances.

Fixed signs: Leo, Aquarius, Scorpio, Taurus

Mutable

People with an emphasis on the mutable or common signs tend to seek change and renewal. They can easily replace one thing with another and align their actions with unfolding processes.

Mutable signs: Sagitarius, Gemini, Pisces, Virgo
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_elements_e.htm

posted January 12, 2011 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
I'm sure there are tons of sags and Leos with complete birthcharts who initiate things but I thought we were speaking of general energies here? There's alot wrong with your original statement that I could pick apart (btw its EARTH that provides the resources, not fire...generally speaking) but to stay on the topic of initiating: its the cardinals who do it in the context of their respective elements/situations as Agent_009 mentioned earlier. Aries starts the war/show/whatever else fire rules, Capricorn comes up with the resources for the business, Cancer starts the emotional process, Libra the mental, etc. That's how the modes modify the elements, and not the other way around.

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BenedictMoon: Well I don't have the time to give a basic astrology lesson, I just wanted to make sure people aren't confusing modes with elements. But for the health of it: Fire = enthusiasm, inspiration, and passion, at its most basic level.
I have it quite prominently in my chart so I'm really not trying to be Bitter Betty, I just strongly disagree with your original statement.

You misunderstood my meaning of providing resources... My belief is that Fire causes motion, and doors to open for other signs to move in and also make change. That is how Fire allows resources to become available to other Elements within the Zodiac.

posted January 12, 2011 11:46 PM            

I was not quoting text book material on what is generally accepted by the community to be the strict guidelines for zodiac elements and form...

From MY EXPERIENCE, having a family full of Leos, many relationships with Sagittarius, Aries Nephews and friends...

From interaction, I see how FIRE's nature of quick movement, quick decision making, forward motion, and change allows for new opportunities, new decisions, and balances the entire system of the zodiac; being without it would make the system incomplete.

If you still would like to pick apart my personal opinion, ok. But, realize this is my opinion. I am not using text book material here... just personal experience.