posted October 11, 2011 09:35 AM            

I have Retro Saturn conj the ASC. My Sun is not afflicted,at all.

Which is your basic sense of self? Is it the Sun?

Is your ASC just a taking who you are and managing to live in the world with it?

If I was not clear, please ask me, and I will explain more.
Thank you so much, for any replies.

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posted October 11, 2011 09:51 AM            

Suddenly amidst a group of people, the same age and under pressure the interact, make friends, be accepted, understand one's place in the group. To me this describes the Ascendant.

The young child at home {hopefully} loved and nurtured effortlessly will not require the Ascendant. In your case with Saturn on the Ascedant perhaps that was not so much the case.

Generally however the Ascendant describes how we interact, how we successfully communicate our personalities primarily. The Sun sign is more about the person we are on the inside, the way we go about stuff. It all depends on what house the Sun is in whether there is a relationship between the Sun and Ascendant too etc.

In my case - Libra Rising conjunct Uranus. I couldn't fit in, I stood out regardless. Unusual name, different type of background, I even had a different way of communicating. I became successful at interacting when I began to express myself as creative, different, innovative. Once I found a way be unique {Uranus}, I developed a level of charisma {Libra}.

posted October 11, 2011 09:52 AM            

Suddenly amidst a group of people, the same age and under pressure the interact, make friends, be accepted, understand one's place in the group. To me this describes the Ascendant.

The young child at home {hopefully} loved and nurtured effortlessly will not require the Ascendant. In your case with Saturn on the Ascedant perhaps that was not so much the case.

Generally however the Ascendant describes how we interact, how we successfully communicate our personalities primarily. The Sun sign is more about the person we are on the inside, the way we go about stuff. It all depends on what house the Sun is in whether there is a relationship between the Sun and Ascendant too etc.

In my case - Libra Rising conjunct Uranus. I couldn't fit in, I stood out regardless. Unusual name, different type of background, I even had a different way of communicating. I became successful at interacting when I began to express myself as creative, different, innovative. Once I found a way be unique {Uranus}, I developed a level of charisma {Libra}.

posted October 11, 2011 09:53 AM            

Suddenly amidst a group of people, the same age and under pressure the interact, make friends, be accepted, understand one's place in the group. To me this describes the Ascendant.

The young child at home {hopefully} loved and nurtured effortlessly will not require the Ascendant. In your case with Saturn on the Ascedant perhaps that was not so much the case.

Generally however the Ascendant describes how we interact, how we successfully communicate our personalities primarily. The Sun sign is more about the person we are on the inside, the way we go about stuff. It all depends on what house the Sun is in whether there is a relationship between the Sun and Ascendant too etc.

In my case - Libra Rising conjunct Uranus. I couldn't fit in, I stood out regardless. Unusual name, different type of background, I even had a different way of communicating. I became successful at interacting when I began to express myself as creative, different, innovative. Once I found a way be unique {Uranus}, I developed a level of charisma {Libra}.

posted October 11, 2011 10:10 AM            

However, trying to fit myself in to the world AS myself feels very scary.

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posted October 11, 2011 10:43 AM            

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I became successful at interacting when I began to express myself as creative, different, innovative. Once I found a way be unique {Uranus}, I developed a level of charisma {Libra}.
I found making friends very difficult until I 'grew into' my Ascendant

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Interesting perspective!
I have Aqua ASC conj Mars.
I am not sure I have fully expressed my Mars yet.
My Aqua Mars wants to be an original thinker (I have achieved that) rather than engaging in sports (a more typical Mars in 1st house expression).
I wonder if I will become more my ASC once I manage to fully express my Mars, as you said above.
And then I wonder, what is the best way to express a 1st house Mars?

posted October 11, 2011 10:53 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
ASC is the beginning,the core,soil one's planets grow from. Sun is the brightest fruit,Venus the most delicious one,but nothing would be like that should soil is corrupted. Understanding must begin with Asc.

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posted October 11, 2011 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by waxlobster:
... I became successful at interacting when I began to express myself as creative, different, innovative. Once I found a way be unique {Uranus}, I developed a level of charisma {Libra}.

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How interestin'. I can actually relate quite well to that! Now, my Venus and Mercury do not conjunct my Asc., but they are in the First house. I remember when I didn't have friends. I didn't like it. So I started to take care of myself (appearance-wise) and began to reach out and talk to people, try and relate to others. And it worked! So very well.

posted October 11, 2011 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
What is your Asc., Ami Anne? If I remember, you are a Gemini. I find the Asc. can liven up or calm down a person overall where as the Sun is the self. Like, with me, I have a strong Venusian and Jovian streak because they're conjunct my Sun.

I dunno how to word this...the Asc. is the outside? Maybe...the Sun is the gold you are made of and the Asc. is how brightly it shimmers. (I've never been good at metaphors)

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Thanks for answering Red Scorp
My ASC is Scorpio and I have Pluto conjunct the MC, which Lonake says makes for a strong Scorpio.
What do you think?

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posted October 11, 2011 11:08 AM            

I want to try to explain how I feel.
I have to think of how to express it.Please, give any insights, in the mean time

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posted October 11, 2011 05:12 PM            

sun is in taurus h7. if it were my venus then maybe it'd give pluto a run for his money coz my venus is conjunct dc and i'm a venus dominant. but my sun has just few aspects to mars and saturn.

posted October 11, 2011 08:47 PM            

I see ASC and Sun in terms of how they function outside my personality.

ASC is the first face of the horizon, it is the morning we wake up (or are born) to. When we first wake up, it's often the initial events of the morning which set the mood for our entire day. In the personality, the ASC is our constructed projection used to deal with new environments and provides a summery of our personality to others, based on what we believe we can offer. It also alerts others to how we would like to be welcomed or approached. I experience the ASC as almost a characacher of it's sign. A person with Aries rising may be highly focused on standing out as an individual. Scorpio ASCs may be concerned about appearing sexy, mysterious, or spiritual. My Virgo rising friend has Saturn conjunct her ASC in the 12th house and she spends a lot of time internally analyzing and refining her outward interactions with others.

Sun is the center of our solar system. In fact, everything around you was created in the furnace of the Sun (or exists because of the Sun's direct influence), including the other planets. Additionally, the Sun sheds light, keeps the planets orbiting, illuminates the Moon, stirs weather, causes seasons, feeds, and fuels us. In the personality, the Sun is the fuel of self and your core identity or truth. Mercury is stirred to ponder and communicate the Sun's subjects. Venus's values are harvested from the field of your Sun. It is the terms by which your moon works so hard to protect. It is the cause which inspires Mars to jump into action.

Here is how ASC and Sun work in my chart:

ASC Ari
Sun Sag
Mer Cap
Ven Sco
Moo Vir
Mar Leo

In my core I see that anything is possible, regardless of circumstance. I have a strong desire to learn and teach the freedom of that truth.

Aries Rising and Mars Leo Make a grand trine with my Sun, which manifests as a strong desire to be special or stand out as a person who both experiences and teaches the the truth.... A conqueror/king of truth.

Mercury in Capricorn (in grand earth trine to Chiron Tau/Saturn Vir) brings the conquering down a notch and desires to learn slowly and methodically, it also desires to use the perfect words, pictures, or scenarios to convey whatever my "message of truth is".

Moon in Virgo pulls all that fire into an emotionally charged desire to learn and teach as a humble service to the betterment of others.

And Venus in Scorpio makes me a big ho.... Just kidding hehe.... It places me in a position where I refuse to take my experiences at face value. I desire to truly find, understand, and share spiritual and experiential freedom with others. My Venus also understands, as individuals we all have our own individual truth. This inspires me to penetrate to the truth of others and help them discover their own freedom on their own terms.

In the above description I may have separate planets, but they are all essentially involved in the Sun's personal drama.

posted October 11, 2011 09:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
...And Venus in Scorpio makes me a big ho.... Just kidding hehe....

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posted October 11, 2011 10:18 PM            

Then,I have a Scorpio Asc. I feel guilt with the power of this ASC because there is great power in it.
Do you understand the burden of the Scorpio ASC?
I have not stepped in to it and owned it. Hence, I am half a person.

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posted October 11, 2011 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I feel I have an identity. It is a Gemini Sun. I am funny and light and airy.

Then,I have a Scorpio Asc. I feel guilt with the power of this ASC because there is great power in it.
Do you understand the burden of the Scorpio ASC?
I have not stepped in to it and owned it. Hence, I am half a person.

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Own it Ami Anne. Connect with your Plutonian essence. I don't personally know enough about Estoeric astrology to give you a personal description but here's an insightful one describing your soul's possible purpose in this lifetime with your ASC.

Scorpio: Transmuting lower desires into Higher Will through the testing and purging of the personality; being a spiritual warrior and catalyst of healing through the embodiment and transmission of Divine Power. http://astrologyharvest.tripod.com/

Here's mine I think it's written quite eloquently and I believe it to be true. Owning my Aquarian essence, connecting to my Uranian Spirit.

posted October 11, 2011 11:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I feel I have an identity. It is a Gemini Sun. I am funny and light and airy.

Then,I have a Scorpio Asc. I feel guilt with the power of this ASC because there is great power in it.
Do you understand the burden of the Scorpio ASC?
I have not stepped in to it and owned it. Hence, I am half a person.

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posted October 12, 2011 02:15 PM            

In social situations, I am a chatty Gemini. I will approach new people and am comfortable in most social settings.
I am extroverted,so will ask people about themselves and listen, well.
This makes it fun for me, and the other person seems to like it.
That part of me,I am comfortable with.

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