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Topic: What's the cause of my endless consistent love dissapointing patterns?
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Lioness
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posted November 04, 2011 10:10 PM
  
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Well now, he forgot to mention (or didnt think of it) that he has Venus conj SN sq to Pluto. That is a factor in it for sure.
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Lonake
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posted November 04, 2011 10:12 PM
^ He's crafting his own reality. He's just not conscious of it. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted November 04, 2011 10:16 PM
Lonake you confirmed my suspicions that it had something to do with venus opposition northnode which translates to venus conjunct South node. But hopefully his vertex conjunct venus will give him a break  .He also has juno square venus. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted November 04, 2011 10:21 PM
^ Good pt Vertex conj Venus is a play on the theme of Venus ruled DSC, Venus conj SN, all that emphasis. I like the Moon Grand Trine. heck, I usually like any grand trine lol (unless it comes from a creeper's chart hehe).IP: Logged |
ProudestLeo
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posted November 06, 2011 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Well now, he forgot to mention (or didnt think of it) that he has Venus conj SN sq to Pluto. That is a factor in it for sure. To top it off ASC/DSC rulers are sq.
And what does this factor means? IP: Logged |
ProudestLeo
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posted November 06, 2011 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by amelia28:
Lonake you confirmed my suspicions that it had something to do with venus opposition northnode which translates to venus conjunct South node. But hopefully his vertex conjunct venus will give him a break .He also has juno square venus.
Im a little lost (and scared) by reading this...can someone pleas explain it? IP: Logged |
DayandNight21
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posted November 06, 2011 03:45 PM
I would not put the blame on venus in 12th at all. Venus in 12th is a very strong for good placement, it is positive. Ignore ancient astrology and modern astrology will let you know venus here is powerful relating, conjunct south node just means you developed the skill in the past. I would look to pisces on 5th meaning rose coloured glasses looking at potential partners and then the 7th. Also it is not just about what you create but the circumstances you are in and what others do, some people narrow it down far too much.
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amelia28
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posted November 06, 2011 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by DayandNight21:
I would not put the blame on venus in 12th at all. Venus in 12th is a very strong for good placement, it is positive. Ignore ancient astrology and modern astrology will let you know venus here is powerful relating, conjunct south node just means you developed the skill in the past. I would look to pisces on 5th meaning rose coloured glasses looking at potential partners and then the 7th. Also it is not just about what you create but the circumstances you are in and what others do, some people narrow it down far too much.
northnode has to do with timing and destiny and it opposes your venus so it could explain why timing is not collaborating with you but you also have vertex (vertex has to do with timing and fate as well) conjunct venus so when vertex transits venus this will help with timing and meeting someone who will be meaningful in your life. I am married and I attract guys who have venus in the 12th..it seems this placement associates love with personal sacrifice often resulting in them for at least a period of their life been attracted to people who are emotionally somewhat unavailable for one reason or another. I think you will meet your soulmate but it will happen when it happens. You will need to be patient with your love life based on what I see in your chart. IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted November 06, 2011 03:56 PM
Venus in the 12th HouseYou are big on romance and you tend to live and breathe your partner once you're hooked. Not the best at defining your boundaries -- where your needs and your partner's needs separate -- you can get hurt in love rather easily. You can also feel used quite readily. You are attracted to people from all walks of life, finding a partner who has an unusual background or quirky personality most attractive. Partners who mistake your compassion for weakness can take advantage of you. Being openly affectionate and trusting often doesn't seem safe to you. You may feel your love won't be appreciated or reciprocated. You may get involved in secret love affairs or fall in love with a person who is quite unavailable to you at different points in your life. Love and sacrifice often seem to go hand in hand for you - having to give something up to be with the one you love, or having to relinquish some person or some aspect of an important love relationship. You value a certain amount of self-sacrifice and a giving attitude in a partner, as you embody these traits. You can be quite mysterious to others, even if you don't mean to be, because your romantic needs are kept hidden. Although you are quite naturally drawn to relationships that are unusual, secret, challenging, and unequal, do take the time to examine why this may be the case. Be certain that you are not, in some way, punishing yourself because you don't feel worthy of an equal and public relationship. Because Venus represents attraction, and the twelfth house is associated with the feet, your feet may be especially attractive and/or erogenous zones! IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted November 06, 2011 04:00 PM
M aqua friend has venus in the 12th and he says this describes him extremely well and I can attest that he feels he has to give up something in order to be with who he loves. He associates sacrifice with love and my moon in pisces can relate to him. Pisces rules the 12th house.I think venus in the 12th is beautiful, great but tough. IP: Logged |
DayandNight21
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posted November 06, 2011 04:02 PM
Some people operate more from subconscious reasoning than others, I don't know you so cannot comment if your subconscious is creating situations for you and if you are aware of this. From the Leos I know however they are more conscious than people of other signs so not so ruled by subconsious mindsets but this is only for the ones I know in daily life. The venus in 12th I know and I don't know that many only a handful have been luckier than average in love but they had to try a few mates first, it didn't fall in their lap. 12th house is about sacrifice but it is about many other things and venus is ease going from one relationship to the next being in 12th which is a positive attribute as there is no strife, other placements in 12th house would lead to sacrifice in love IMO.
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DayandNight21
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posted November 06, 2011 04:18 PM
Now it depends what the aspects are to your venus within this house and how strong your venus is overall. You need to see if you have a strong venus or not and the aspects will have a hand in this. You can do a test at skywriter.wordpress.com to see if you have venus issues or not.
Very strong venus = EXTRAORDINARY CHARM
Truly, you are a "Venusian Character." You can be: the diplomat, romantic, sweetie, hair dresser, glamour puss, beauty queen, sexpot, lover and seducer. You lead something of a charmed life. People like you and are attracted by your strong beauty and style. You are naturally polite, suave, civilized, refined, and beautiful. Love and the good life are important to you. 12th house is the house of Neptune, the higher side of venus. If your venus in here is overall weak then it may involve sacrifice, however if your venus is strong (good aspects, in good sign etc) then you may be lucky in love and have a charmed life. Also look at mars the other love planet in your natal and progressed. Look at the synastry and composites between you and others to determine what is happening. It may not be just your chart determining this.
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DayandNight21
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posted November 06, 2011 04:27 PM
I should have put the source for the text written up there it was from adze.com and is for venus beyond the tropic of c. I think it may be due to venus issues either in natal or synastry but it could be due to other factors such as mars issues or outer planet issues. My personal experience has been pluto of my generation opp my sun so outer issues, therefore I get on well with people in other generations and tend to have control issues with those who have pluto opp my sun. There are just so many factors that can affect relationships. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted November 06, 2011 04:34 PM
I have Moon (DC ruler) conj SN and Neptune, on the cusp of the 12th house. I have a similar story, except not with dates... I usually can date... but when things get serious and commitment is an issue... something always happes. I could have been married a few times by now. I lost count on the guys who told me I'm everything they've been looking for bla-bla-bla. This year only:
-been stood up on Valentine's day after the dude proposed to me
-guy who said he wants to marry me stopped calling out of the blue and didn't respond to my messages
-my boyfriend (though we kinda broke up), has a ring bought for me, but recently found out his ex is 6 months pregnant with his baby (didn't cheat, it happened before he met me). We were supposed to get engaged yesterday... Now God only knows, but I lost hope. He loves me and I love him, but I cannot fight with a baby.
And this only in 2011... You don't want to hear the rest.
Just wanted to say you're not alone in this. But we'll find someone, eventually. You're still very young, you have a lot of experiences waiting for you. I'm pushing for 30s so I'm kinda out of time... But gotta have faith!
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DayandNight21
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posted November 06, 2011 04:44 PM
Venus in 12th House
Exalted Venus gives very beneficial results in this house. The native will have a wife, who will act as a shield in the time of trouble. Taking help from women will prove highly advantageous for the native, who receives all favours from the government.
http://www.sutradhari.com/lalkitab8.htm Now the other love planet mars in 12th house causes problems and the emotional moon can also cause problems in 12th so this is why unless your venus is in virgo/scorpio (and not cazimi and may have stressful aspects) so is weak I think the issue is down to other reasons. IP: Logged |
DayandNight21
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posted November 06, 2011 05:21 PM
It is up to you what to believe but I like the explanation given by this poster below. Plus when I did a friends chart on clairvision for venus in 12th it said it was a very strong and positive placement so I tend to see venus in 12th as a strong point in the chart. This is a text below from another poster tim wilson:wilsontc Venus focused in the 12th house is Venus focused in the house of its exaltation, indicating that it is very strong. Venus focused in the 1rst house is Venus in the house of its detriment, indicating that it is weakened. Venus is, in part, about relating to others and the 12th house is an area which "dissolves" us into others, which is very powerful relating! The first house is about asserting ourselves, which is the opposite of relating, so Venus is challenged here. As was mentioned, a person who is "attractive" may have other factors than Venus in their chart which give them that attractive quality. Explaining, Tim
In your case of Venus, in particular, the idea of Venus in house 12 as beign somehow "weak" is not accurate. In fact, Venus is STRONGEST in house 12 and WEAK in house 1. This does not mean that Venus is weak energy by itself, but it does indicate that Venus is less about focusing on the person themselves (low house number) and more about focusing on other people and the world in general (higher house number). So when Venus gets as impersonal as possible in focus (house 12) is when it is at its most powerful. Explaining the basics, Tim
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ProudestLeo
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posted November 06, 2011 07:12 PM
Wait...Im a little lost...is all this venus in the 12th talk about me or someone else's chart?And can someone explain to me the " venus opposition northnode which translates to venus conjunct South node" thing? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted November 06, 2011 09:06 PM
I don't know why someone is on here trying to dismiss the Venus sq Pluto aspect as if it's not even there.IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted November 06, 2011 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by DayandNight21:
It is up to you what to believe but I like the explanation given by this poster below. Plus when I did a friends chart on clairvision for venus in 12th it said it was a very strong and positive placement so I tend to see venus in 12th as a strong point in the chart. This is a text below from another poster tim wilson:wilsontc Venus focused in the 12th house is Venus focused in the house of its exaltation, indicating that it is very strong. Venus focused in the 1rst house is Venus in the house of its detriment, indicating that it is weakened. Venus is, in part, about relating to others and the 12th house is an area which "dissolves" us into others, which is very powerful relating! The first house is about asserting ourselves, which is the opposite of relating, so Venus is challenged here. As was mentioned, a person who is "attractive" may have other factors than Venus in their chart which give them that attractive quality. Explaining, Tim
In your case of Venus, in particular, the idea of Venus in house 12 as beign somehow "weak" is not accurate. In fact, Venus is STRONGEST in house 12 and WEAK in house 1. This does not mean that Venus is weak energy by itself, but it does indicate that Venus is less about focusing on the person themselves (low house number) and more about focusing on other people and the world in general (higher house number). So when Venus gets as impersonal as possible in focus (house 12) is when it is at its most powerful. Explaining the basics, Tim
SO venus is exalted in the 12th and I can totally see why and love that placement but it doesn't change the fact that people with that placement for a good portion of their life are attracted to unusual relationships that require them to have to give up something in order to be with who they want to be...and this often translates into been attracted unconsciously to people who are unavailable some how.
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OpiumBreast
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posted November 06, 2011 10:58 PM
I don't really understand what you are trying to convey here but I see the problem. You try too hard. You are the guy that is all over the girl but it is awkward so girls just shun you. You are nice, so girls respond by just being nice and nothing more. Be real. Be yourself and you will get a more genuine relationship. This doesn't mean to rape anyone. Just be patient. IP: Logged |
ProudestLeo
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posted November 06, 2011 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by OpiumBreast:
I don't really understand what you are trying to convey here but I see the problem. You try too hard. You are the guy that is all over the girl but it is awkward so girls just shun you. You are nice, so girls respond by just being nice and nothing more. Be real. Be yourself and you will get a more genuine relationship. This doesn't mean to rape anyone. Just be patient.
Whoa...hold on a minute. Dont label me as a "desperate guy" who "tries to rape anyone". Ironically im the opposite of how you describe me, Im very picky (virgo moon) usually dont ask women on dates unless I see them giving me constant genuine attention (venus leo). All I said was that I was frustrated that everytime I date the result is always the same, faliure before the start. But that does not mean that 1)Im thinking of dating all the time or 2)trying to date as much as I can. As a matter of fact this past week it was 3 different women who asked me out. Of course like always (and going back to the original issue), one of them has a boyfriend so she got cold feet about it, the other cancelled because of transportation issues, the other cancelled because of college work. See? Its not that I try to date all the time, its that everytime I do there is ALWAYS SOMETHING before the first date that nothing can happen. Im well groomed,ok looking, proyect confidence, have good sense of value. So that only leaves me with just 2 theories: 1-God for some reason never wants me to be succesful in love. 2-Astrologically all the planets or aspects related to love are against me. And this leaves me with another question...How much longer will this streak will last? IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted November 07, 2011 12:07 AM
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How much longer will this streak will last?
Ok! The next time you set up a date... whether you ask her or she asks you... do NOT let it slide.
If she's busy - tell her to make other plans. You're still taking her out! Don't give up. If she has work for college/uni... tell her you'll pick her up afterwards etc.... Make it work somehow. Where there's a will - there's a way! lol
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I had another idea - You could get the girl a surprise present and tell her it's something she'll never guess.. Then I bet she wouldn't cancel.
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amelia28
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posted November 07, 2011 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Ok! The next time you set up a date... whether you ask her or she asks you... do NOT let it slide.
If she's busy - tell her to make other plans. You're still taking her out! Don't give up. If she has work for college/uni... tell her you'll pick her up afterwards etc.... Make it work somehow. Where there's a will - there's a way! lol
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I had another idea - You could get the girl a surprise present and tell her it's something she'll never guess.. Then I bet she wouldn't cancel.
that gift idea is genius! LOL . IP: Logged |
DayandNight21
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posted November 07, 2011 02:24 AM
i had a closer look this morning
you have a mixed bag of aspects to your venus
venus conj jupiter is very fortunate
venus square pluto is difficult
venus conj mc is popularity in career/public at large but not necessarily at home
venus in leo is an average placement for venus of course it depends which house it is in
So maybe there are a few venus issues as in you could do with more venus points for better success but it could also be to do with their chart!IP: Logged |
ProudestLeo
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posted November 07, 2011 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Ok! The next time you set up a date... whether you ask her or she asks you... do NOT let it slide.
If she's busy - tell her to make other plans. You're still taking her out! Don't give up. If she has work for college/uni... tell her you'll pick her up afterwards etc.... Make it work somehow. Where there's a will - there's a way! lol
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I had another idea - You could get the girl a surprise present and tell her it's something she'll never guess.. Then I bet she wouldn't cancel.
I think this is a good idea,but for a 2nd or 3rd date. Telling a woman "I have a surprise gift for her" on the first date is a little giving out too much for a fist date. And knowing my luck she would probably like it but then the day of the date her mother would get sick or something like that. Or simply she would cancel. Sorry for being so pessimistic, its just that situations like this have happened (and continue to happen) to me so much, Its literally an expected thing, who knows how much more can I take. IP: Logged |
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