posted December 12, 2011 05:13 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:

Sometimes,just sometimes... Generalisations are fun

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It's a barrel of laughs until it's you.

And you spelled 'generalizations', wrong kiddo.

posted December 12, 2011 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
It's a barrel of laughs until it's you.

And you spelled 'generalizations', wrong kiddo.

*thumbs up for the Typo Fail*

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Uh that's how places outside of the States and Canada spell it.

*face palm*

Thought this was like basic knowledge? o_O Just like how I spell color, colour.

posted December 12, 2011 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
It's a barrel of laughs until it's you.

And you spelled 'generalizations', wrong kiddo.

*thumbs up for the Typo Fail*

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posted December 12, 2011 06:32 PM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
*shrug* I'm an air sign with four water planets, two in air (Sun/Merc), two in earth, two in fire.

Not ALL air sign people are alike, and there are PLENTY of shallow people with other placements.

You have probably been meeting unhealthy or unevolved air people. John Lennon was an air sign. I would hardly call him "superficial".

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Hell, I'm mostly Air and Fire (Aqua Sun, Libra Moon, Gem Rising, in fact) and I would not say that I'm shallow. Small talk is exhausting and so is pretending to care about people you don't care about. I hate schmoozing. I prefer to hang out with people one on one. I care about the world around me as opposed to only caring about what affects me directly.

posted December 12, 2011 06:43 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I think really at this point it's more a question of what aspects the planets are making than the actual signs they're in. Any sign can be superficial or deep, if it has aspects leaning in that direction.

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posted December 12, 2011 06:58 PM            

I haven't finished reading this whole thread.

I mean, as a general statement, I think the assumption and the generalization is as foolish as it always is.

Anyone who has lived a little bit of life has seen enough to know this is not true purely by a person's sun sign. It just isn't.

But can someone please define for us hotheads and airheads (lol) what "emotional involvement" is? The idea that 'water signs' are more emotionally involved in their personal relationships than other signs is silly.

Then again, I notice the phrase "emotional involved" is always used vs. "emotionally evolved." I say this because a lot of the text book examples of "emotional involvement" I see people pin to water signs are actually codependent, unhealthy relationship patterns based off of overly-romanticized ideals, especially when you start considering gender dynamics and things of the sort--but I'm not going there, not today.

More importantly, I know a lot of "sun sign" water placements that behave nothing like the depictions of might be viewed as watery behavior. As we've mentioned--aspects and other placements matter when thinking about things like this.

This is why people run around chasing this sign or that sign thinking they will be oh so loyal, intuitive, sensitive, nurturing, loving, kissing and then they turn out to be something completely different. So considering all of this, would anyone like to offer a 'workable' definition of emotional involvement? I just think...it is such an obscure idea. How does one measure the degrees of emotional involvement? I've known people who have been 'emotionally involved' in a relationship because they don't want to be alone. Do I think they were necessarily emotionally involved with the person--no not all...well, perhaps to some degree yes. They would admit the same. But, the 'relationship' itself (esp. symbolically) was important to them, more than the person. :: shrugs ::

posted December 12, 2011 08:13 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Hell, I'm mostly Air and Fire (Aqua Sun, Libra Moon, Gem Rising, in fact) and I would not say that I'm shallow. Small talk is exhausting and so is pretending to care about people you don't care about. I hate schmoozing. I prefer to hang out with people one on one. I care about the world around me as opposed to only caring about what affects me directly.

Did you try to date an Aqua and it failed or something?

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I met an aqua with cancer moon who was like that too. Hated small talk, very humanitarian, only talked about deep subjects. But she was still superficial. Just the fact that she couldn't realize the insensitivity of her actions, her lack of loyalty, her clinging to her boyfriend even though she didn't really love him bc she couldnt find anyone else, etc. She just was. And i didnt think she was at first, but it was obvious after a while. Like i always say, stereotypes are there for a reason. They don't just come out of nowhere, you know.
Aquas may be loyal and care about deep subjects, but that still doesn't show the shallowness of their emotions, their refusal to deal with emotions or think about them period. Libras may want deep conversation and be uninterested in material things, but it still doesn't show the insensitivity of their actions.

Fire signs are aggressive but are def not this insensitive and shallow. Air signs are as emotionally complex as a rock. At least fire signs are honest, assertive, and straightforward. I trust fire signs because i feel they are honest. But they're still not a right fit for me...still too light, casual and playful. I'd much rather take a playful earth or water sign who won't be as playful but who will still be able to make me laugh.

And yes water signs at their core are weepy and whiny, what am i? Fire signs are definitely aggressive and warm at their core. Earth signs are boring workaholics, and air signs are superficial. They like to hover in the clouds over the surface of everything. Thinking deeply but rarely feeling deeply.

posted December 12, 2011 09:26 PM            

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Originally posted by FireWire:
This is why people run around chasing this sign or that sign thinking they will be oh so loyal, intuitive, sensitive, nurturing, loving, kissing and then they turn out to be something completely different.

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Also I think sometimes people end up in a bad relationship, but want to use astrology to rationalize/justify staying with the person.

"Why is my partner doing this? He's a Scorpio, it's a mind game! She's a Capricorn, they just don't show affection! He's an Air sign, he just doesn't get it!" When really... maybe the relationship itself has broken down in ways you just can't or don't want to see.

posted December 12, 2011 09:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Malena:
Also I think sometimes people end up in a bad relationship, but want to use astrology to rationalize/justify staying with the person.

"Why is my partner doing this? He's a Scorpio, it's a mind game! She's a Capricorn, they just don't show affection! He's an Air sign, he just doesn't get it!" When really... maybe the relationship itself has broken down in ways you just can't or don't want to see.

I used to go to another astrology board where I would see people trying to tolerate the most messed-up abuse and infidelities because supposedly "that's just how [Sun Sign] is, and I've got to love them as they are." SMH

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This is PRECISELY what I am talking about! There is a certain level of absurdity to it all. You start expecting all of these things and looking for all of these things. "That there is the airy wink of an Aquarius. Oh, that there, is the sign of an earthy Taurus falling head over heels for me. Oh Sag., dear is that your fiery arrow or are you happy to see me--from a distance, love?"

posted December 12, 2011 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
I met an aqua with cancer moon who was like that too. Hated small talk, very humanitarian, only talked about deep subjects. But she was still superficial. Just the fact that she couldn't realize the insensitivity of her actions, her lack of loyalty, her clinging to her boyfriend even though she didn't really love him bc she couldnt find anyone else, etc. She just was. And i didnt think she was at first, but it was obvious after a while. Like i always say, stereotypes are there for a reason. They don't just come out of nowhere, you know.
Aquas may be loyal and care about deep subjects, but that still doesn't show the shallowness of their emotions, their refusal to deal with emotions or think about them period. Libras may want deep conversation and be uninterested in material things, but it still doesn't show the insensitivity of their actions.

Fire signs are aggressive but are def not this insensitive and shallow. Air signs are as emotionally complex as a rock. At least fire signs are honest, assertive, and straightforward. I trust fire signs because i feel they are honest. But they're still not a right fit for me...still too light, casual and playful. I'd much rather take a playful earth or water sign who won't be as playful but who will still be able to make me laugh.

And yes water signs at their core are weepy and whiny, what am i? Fire signs are definitely aggressive and warm at their core. Earth signs are boring workaholics, and air signs are superficial. They like to hover in the clouds over the surface of everything. Thinking deeply but rarely feeling deeply.

That's fine if you air signs don't see it in yourselves. That's understandable. People do that all th time, being blind to their own faults. But, I at least, as a water sign, admit that I am totally weepy and whiny.

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Your friend probably didn't open to YOU specifically about her emotions because you're narrow minded. I have emotions, I acknowledge them, but I'm certainly not going to share them with just anyone. Especially someone who judges others. Perhaps she was unloyal TO YOU because you were unloyal to her by judging her.

I feel. I care. I don't show it. Why should I? They're MY feelings.

posted December 12, 2011 10:49 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
And I meet water signs all the time as well who arent weepy or whiny. But water signs have a shell around them. (Even pisces has a shell....in fact they seem to have the strongest shell of all even though their synbol doesnt). I've met lots of water signs, especially cancers, who didnt seem soft and whiny at first...in fact they seemed quite independent, rationaly, and maybe somewhat detached and peaceful. spme even seemed aggressive and energetic likefore signs. But then i got to know them, and heck yeah, there was that weepiness for sure. Sure enough, they had a soft inside just like any regular water sign where they admit they are scared of everything.

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lol so if i'm so narrow-minded and judgmental or whatever why is it the water signs opened up to me?

posted December 12, 2011 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
^ hey if I remember, you have a virgo rising aye? That might make you seem kinda aloof on the surface but sensitive inside lol.

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posted December 12, 2011 11:16 PM            

I'm only kidding, kind of.

Anyway, people deal with emotions differently.. Just because they don't openly display it, or personally share it with you, doesn't automatically make them, superficial lol.

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
lol so if i'm so narrow-minded and judgmental or whatever why is it the water signs opened up to me?

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Just because water signs open up to you, doesn't make you immune to being narrow-minded or judgmental. Would be cool if it did though. Man.. what a super power!

posted December 12, 2011 11:22 PM              

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Originally posted by Alma Sun:
Well RAS.. air signs tend to frown upon people who run around screaming.

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posted December 12, 2011 11:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Malena:
Also I think sometimes people end up in a bad relationship, but want to use astrology to rationalize/justify staying with the person.

"Why is my partner doing this? He's a Scorpio, it's a mind game! She's a Capricorn, they just don't show affection! He's an Air sign, he just doesn't get it!" When really... maybe the relationship itself has broken down in ways you just can't or don't want to see.

I used to go to another astrology board where I would see people trying to tolerate the most messed-up abuse and infidelities because supposedly "that's just how [Sun Sign] is, and I've got to love them as they are." SMH

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I am sorry but everyone is different and part of been in a relationship is making it work in spite of the differences and things you don't like about your partner. everyone has defects and if you break up with someone every time you discover a defect none of your relationships will last. We are here to love unconditionally and try to understand each other and coexist.

posted December 12, 2011 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Your friend probably didn't open to YOU specifically about her emotions because you're narrow minded. I have emotions, I acknowledge them, but I'm certainly not going to share them with just anyone. Especially someone who judges others. Perhaps she was unloyal TO YOU because you were unloyal to her by judging her.

I feel. I care. I don't show it. Why should I? They're MY feelings.

Stereotypes exist because of cognitive bias. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases Specifically, confirmation bias.

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posted December 13, 2011 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Haha

And it does make them superficial if their face expresses deep emotions, but when you ask them about it they don't even rememer looking like they were about to cry, or being really happy, or giving you puppy dog looks, etc. Just completely unaware of their emotions, or expressing emotions but them being so shallow that they dont remember them. I remember everything....

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posted December 13, 2011 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I am sorry but everyone is different and part of been in a relationship is making it work in spite of the differences and things you don't like about your partner. everyone has defects and if you break up with someone every time you discover a defect none of your relationships will last. We are here to love unconditionally and try to understand each other and coexist.

Loving someone perfect is a piece of cake, the real challenge is loving someone in spite of their defects and sticking around in spite of their defects or things you don't like about them.

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Uh... exactly where did I say you should break up with someone as soon as you discover any defects?

I criticized the idea of staying with someone who cheats on you or abuses you because "that's just how [their Sun Sign] is and I've got to live with it." There's a difference between accepting a person for their flaws versus subjecting yourself to a toxic relationship.

I once heard the expression - "it takes two people to make a relationship work, but only one person to make it fail." In other words, if you are with a partner who has mentally checked out of the relationship, no amount of "loving them flaws and all" is going to guarantee that they will check back in. I find that in such cases people sometimes turn to astrology as a last resort. "He's cheating on me! Is it a Gemini thing? She's not talking to me! Is it a Scorpio thing?" In reality, it's a your relationship thing.