posted December 13, 2011 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Haha

And it does make them superficial if their face expresses deep emotions, but when you ask them about it they don't even rememer looking like they were about to cry, or being really happy, or giving you puppy dog looks, etc. Just completely unaware of their emotions, or expressing emotions but them being so shallow that they dont remember them. I remember everything....

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posted December 13, 2011 10:09 PM            

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RunAroundScreaming

But she was still superficial. Just the fact that she couldn't realize the insensitivity of her actions her lack of loyalty, her clinging to her boyfriend even though she didn't really love him bc she couldnt find anyone else, etc. She just was.

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how does the bolded make someone shallow? how do you know she couldn't realize the sensitivity of her actions? are you inside her head?

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their refusal to deal with emotions or think about them period.

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How does that make someone shallow/superficial?

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At least fire signs are honest, assertive, and straightforward.

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posted December 16, 2011 11:45 AM            

I know a lot of people with moon in air signs (my mom is aqua moon), and they tend to annoy me when it comes to some serious debates, and all they see is the exterior. Not to mention how they love to talk about superficial stuff and gossip. I know there are other factors that influence this, but that's the thing I've noticed on all air moons.

posted December 16, 2011 01:22 PM            

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Frankly, I think shallowness comes from focus on ones self or immediate surroundings, not detachment from emotion. Gossiping involves some sort of emotion because you are talking about mundane things that are ONLY INTERESTING because of the emotion involved.

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posted December 16, 2011 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
This thread may be a bit generalizing, but I do find people that have air dominating in their natal charts, a wee bit shallow. Don't mean to be insulting, it's just that they don't dwell too much on emotions, and focus on just one, whether be person, problem etc., they quickly move to another. They are detached, as if they were flying high in the air I sometimes notice that about myself, because air is besides earth a prevailing element in my chart. It can be a good thing though, you're more able to move on, after bad things occur in your life.

I know a lot of people with moon in air signs (my mom is aqua moon), and they tend to annoy me when it comes to some serious debates, and all they see is the exterior. Not to mention how they love to talk about superficial stuff and gossip. I know there are other factors that influence this, but that's the thing I've noticed on all air moons.

but yeah, i totally agree, we can't generalize anything, a gemini moon conjunct pluto in twelfth house can be as deep as it can be

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posted December 16, 2011 02:34 PM            

It is a choice.
It is not being born with one faculty and not another, and no matter which faculty you use (emotional or intellectual) all fire up in the brain, unless you have a mental illness or chemical imbalance that inhibits said parts of the brain.

I am an Aquarius sun, with much air in my chart, and while I mix socially with many kinds of people, I am deeply affected by every person I meet.
I am im-pressed by people very easy; I rarely walk away from anyone without carrying parts of them with me emotionally.

posted December 16, 2011 05:55 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Just feel it's kind of pointless to try to explain. Seems like if you don't get it, then explaining wont make you understand any better, because it's something you have to understand through your own life experiences, I guess. If you really don't think not thinking or wanting to think about emotions isnt superficial at all, or doesnt make for a superficial person, then I don't know how to help you in all honesty.

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Did you post this in response to me? Dwelling on emotions and thinking about them are two different things, you know. A person can think about an emotion or a feeling and not dwell on them. Dwelling on them does not imply and, or suggest the depth of the emotion itself. Nor does it really say much about a person's capacity for emotional depth from one isolated example of how they respond to something. It certainly isn't 'across the board.'

Since this is your argument, explain to us how you measure ones emotional depth. Isn't dwelling morseso describing the level of emotional response? Perhaps we could say that level of emotional response is sometimes related to emotional depth, but maybe not. A person could dwell or obsess about a very shallow feeling, can't they? Their obsession could say more about the temperament of the person, no?

I think should you try and do this you will find you can't really explain it. You will say perhaps it is a feeling or you intuitively know that a person is shallow or lacks emotional depth. I would tend to agree with this, relatively speaking. And as such, it seems really difficult to explain with words something you intuit, in this case. Could it be that your ideas about emotional depth and your perceptions are unique to you and as such, you superimpose them on everyone you encounter, specifically air signs? You might not be intentionally doing this. Perhaps we all do this unconsciously. I'm sorry to be so cerebral. I'm just not feeling this.

posted December 16, 2011 09:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
The ability to be detached is not "unfeeling".
The ability to be objective is not "unemotional".
The ability to synthesize intellectually, and choosing this mode of analysis, does not mean "emotionally inept".

It is a choice.
It is not being born with one faculty and not another, and no matter which faculty you use (emotional or intellectual) all fire up in the brain, unless you have a mental illness or chemical imbalance that inhibits said parts of the brain.

I am an Aquarius sun, with much air in my chart, and while I mix socially with many kinds of people, I am deeply affected by every person I meet.
I am im-pressed by people very easy; I rarely walk away from anyone without carrying parts of them with me emotionally.

Perhaps the OP would like to define "superficial" as it is being put forward here?

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posted December 17, 2011 04:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Alma Sun:
[B]Well RAS.. air signs tend to frown upon people who run around screaming.

I'm only kidding, kind of.

Anyway, people deal with emotions differently.. Just because they don't openly display it, or personally share it with you, doesn't automatically make them, superficial lol.

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This is very true. I've noticed that water signs tend to think they own emotions and depth though, like they're the only people that feel them and like no one can be as deep as they are.

Truth is, everybody feels, no matter what sign they are. I think all signs just process and handle it differently.

posted December 17, 2011 05:54 AM            

It seams that way but its more of the fact that unless your rally close to Mr. Gemini you've rally just touched the surface on who Mr. Gemini rally is.

I mean deep down inside I'm intense. However to stranges and people I don't deem close I won't display any of those qualities and be assumed superficial.

Johny Depp is the same he is so private that not even the paparazzi can crack open who he rally is. But, his family members and his girlfriend have cracked him open and know how deep down he is inside.

Its ironic because I just had a christmass party with my coworkers and here I am giving a general impresion. But I try not to say or do anything too deep.

I mean I can't tell them what I really think.

I can't tell them that all I care about is I do my job and get paid, nothing else.

But, they apprecate the work I do my virgo boss likes me(virgo bosses are one of the worst by the way).

So because of that I'm skin deep with my coworkers because they won't be pleased if I tell them what I really think and at the same time they apprecate what I do.

Plus, I have to pretend to be part of the team. Otherwise nothing gets done.

If you really want to crack open a gemini here is an excellent example.

The hint is Gemini loves to chat and its up to you to to create the correct enviroment for it to happen.

The first real job I had in my field my coworkers treated me out to a couple drinks during lunch.

Maybe they were boored with there jobs and wanted to "tease" the new guy, or they just wanted to figure me out.

I assumed my Leo coworker wanted to know me me, generaly she was a good coworker and my Sag coworker was just street smart, a wheeler-dealer type of person.

After about 3-4 drinks I was talking to my cowkers as if they were long time drinking budies, Lol.

I wasn't drunk but I couldn't stop talking.

Before you know it they got into some deep parts of me but not everything.

I swear it will never happen again and I learned from my mistake.

The point is being Superficial is more of a "mask" or cover hiding the real emotion deep down inside.

posted December 17, 2011 11:25 AM            

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As an air sign, I try to make people around me comfortable and relaxed and happy. I DEFINITELY think about the darker side of life. However, I don't often *express* that to people. I just don't feel the need.

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I have an air moon conjunct venus, and this is the way I used to be. This guy who ended up crapping all over me (metaphorically), once said that something dark he'd related probably went right over my "Disney head". Um, no... I let it go at the time, because he hadn't been in a good mood, and my listening to him and talking with him had perked him up, but it bugged me - he knew my history, but people would seem to forget that life had actually hurt me, too - a lot. I've been in a bad place for two years myself now - with great help from him - and he had the nerve to turn around and call me "negative", when he had been one of the most negative people I'd ever met (and sarcastic, and ready to make his point that way if in a pi$$y mood). Mr. Mindfulness was insulting self-help/new-age authors who were trying to promote their books on twitter, forgetting that at some point he was either going to have to get another job, or find a way to pay for his own food and bills.

posted December 17, 2011 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I've noticed that it's part of the shadow side of Scorpio. I know Neptune is usually linked to boundaries, or lack thereof, but I've noticed it's usually Scorpio, not Pisces, who doesn't get that "That is your emotional boundary space, and this is mine, and I don't have to share anything with you."

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posted December 17, 2011 11:39 AM            

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So maybe I'm the only one who doesn't get this, but how does "dwelling on emotions" indicate emotional depth?

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Yes. All signs are vulnerable to blind spots. Water signs can get so deep into their own emotions and sensitivities that it becomes a form of narcissism. Or where sensitivity becomes "Things *I* am sensitive to that everybody else needs to watch their step about."

OTOH, I have seen Air signs who use "detachment" and "let's be realistic" to avoid emotions they aren't comfortable with, often other people's. I hate to say it, but I've frequently had the problem where if I bring up an issue to an Air sign friend or relative I get a lot of "Stop bothering me with your feelings and think clearly." The thing is, I'm not asking you to fall on the ground screaming and crying with EMOTIONS!! over whatever the problem is, but sometimes it seems like the Air sign person takes it this way? Just a simple "I see your point, I'm sorry, let's work on this" would go a long, long way. But some (some!) are too uncomfortable to even do that. Paradoxically it creates a lot of unnecessary drama.