posted December 21, 2011 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
hmmm I have Pluto in the 5th as well.

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posted December 21, 2011 11:12 AM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
I mean, so do I, but I will have sex with anyone I find attractive, if they're willing (and I live in a town with A LOT of attractive people). I actually become disinterested in sex once I'm in a relationship. I like variety/novelty.

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posted December 21, 2011 11:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I used to think that I was asexual but I'm pretty sure in my case it's not just a "disinterest" in sex but an actual aversion to it. So there's probably a real issue going on for me.
I don't know. I think part of it is that I was brainwashed in my childhood into thinking that sex is bad, dirty, etc. and that I must avoid it at all costs. There were other elements that reinforced this belief of mine, and now that I've grown up it's actually difficult to get rid of this negative vision. Rationally I understand that sex is natural, and that there's nothing wrong with it, but I still can't accept the thought of ever doing it. I probably sound like a weirdo but that's how I am, for now.
I don't know if I'll ever be able to work on this "issue", and I'm not even sure I want to.

But anyway, what would be the difference between someone who is genuinely not interested in sex and someone who has problems with it, and therefore represses their own sexuality, in the natal charts?
Because honestly I don't find myself interested in sex or attracted to anyone sexually but that's probably because I repress it? Or is it genuine disinterest? I'm getting confused about myself..

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It would be cool if you start a thread and post your chart and title the thread genuine disinterest in sex or repression? Check out my chart.

Also if you ever do want to work this out I highly recommend emotional freedom technique. My dad learned this new therapeutic technique a few years ago and it has proven to be highly effective and works quickly.

posted December 21, 2011 11:33 AM            

You possess powerful creative impulses, and you might invest much energy and passion into the creative arts, romance, or child-rearing. You take much pride in, and invest much of your ego into, whatever it is you produce. Romance for you needs to be intense, passionate, and deeply intimate--nothing superficial or light attracts. You have an "all or nothing" attitude in love. If you are not "owning" this attitude, then you may be meeting Pluto energies through your lovers, and thus attracting intense, controlling, or passionate romantic partners. A deep-seated fear of loss or betrayal can be behind any jealous, obsessive, or controlling behavior in fifth house areas, including romantic involvements, child-rearing, and creative endeavors. Your attitude towards play, entertainment, and recreation is also intense--rarely lighthearted. While you may yearn to throw your soul into your creative endeavors, fear might prevent you from doing so completely.

so not owning to your plutonic energy attracts partners that do (me) and fear is part of why person does not own to their plutonic in the 5th energy, fear of loss.

I his case he is not owning up to it fully, perhaps partially through his art but not through sex.

posted December 21, 2011 12:06 PM            

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Originally posted by lechien:
this is curious. i used to think i was a sex maniac but suddenly just lost interest. beside going through a bit difficult time, i just feel like an old lady. temporarily, i do hope, it's been maybe 1 or more year. my 5th house is Aries and Mars is in the 8th house in Leo. it's also trine Sagi Venus and moon in Aries, so it describes my high drive as the natural state. it's likely a long lasting transit. not really sure what though!

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posted December 21, 2011 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
You know I think that is part of the problem, the mystery and excitement fades when in a relationship but of course been in relationship has its benefits but that is the bad part about it I think and perhaps with Pluto in the 5th this is accentuated.

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posted December 21, 2011 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Have you checked where T Saturn "hits" you?

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it was going through my 10th house, where my NN and Pluto are. but this has passed and it entered my 11th house now. it has been sextile all my 1st house planets, but not anything hard.

posted December 21, 2011 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by lechien:
it was going through my 10th house, where my NN and Pluto are. but this has passed and it entered my 11th house now. it has been sextile all my 1st house planets, but not anything hard.

i suppose if it was t.Saturn on Pluto, it should start passing now. maybe it's over with the "peak"?

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posted December 21, 2011 01:25 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Sorry - must see chart to tell anything else.
For instance, who is the ruler of your 8th and where is it located? What does Pluto rule in your chart? Etc.
But beyond that, you are under a lot of stress and that alone can dampen things. You're not on any meds, right?
If you didn't have a high libido I wouldn't worry about it at all. But going from 180mph suddenly down to 60mph seems like a big deal.
You said it's over a year of this? Could it be changes in hormones? I don't even know your age. Just playing doctor here. I wouldn't worry but just find what is wrong and deal with it.

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nope no meds. (does sugar overdose count?)

true, my 8th house ruler is at SN in the 4th house, which has been being opposed by t.Saturn.

it's unlikely that it's the hormones (unless something is wrong with my body!), still getting monthly blood loss and plan to go on having it for the coming decades.

posted December 21, 2011 01:44 PM            

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Originally posted by lechien:
but one or two tips would be sweet!

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I'll try, sweets, u know how much I love you!
{{sloppy kiss}}

posted December 21, 2011 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
I'll try, sweets, u know how much I love you!
{{sloppy kiss}}

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*kiss kiss*

posted December 21, 2011 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by lechien:
*kiss kiss*

(now where did i put that towel!?)

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posted December 21, 2011 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
My thoughts exactly!

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posted December 21, 2011 05:37 PM            

amowls - I don't think Pluto in the 5th on its own will do it. Chiron has Sun conj Neptune *conjunct* my Mars conj Neptune.
Regardes has Sun square Neptune.

Also.. Regardes and I have Capricorn Mars. Chiron has Cap Sun.

I think it's a mix of things. But Pluto in the 5th might add to this.

roux -

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what would be the difference between someone who is genuinely not interested in sex and someone who has problems with it, and therefore represses their own sexuality, in the natal charts?

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hmmmm I have to go back to the homosexuality example.

If you see homosexuality as a biological thing (as some do... and actually I'm inclined to agree) then there are many homosexual people out there - who are simply 'born' that way.. It's not a psychological thing for them.

But ^ this does not rule out cases where a person might have a very negative experience with someone of the opposite sex (like being raped for example)... or a person who was given very negative messages about male/female sex - growing up... and who cannot have a sexual relationship with someone of the opposite sex - *for* this reason.. and who turns to homosexuality.
In their case it would be psychological - not biological.. but their sexual orientation would still be referred to as -homosexual.

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unless we're talking about superficial getting to know (their name, work, friends, family, vs. their thoughts, desires, goals, aspirations, motivations, personality traits, character traits etc

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I'm glad you brought this up! It's exactly as you said... It's not about knowing these 'facts' about them.. It's about actually *knowing* them in depth.. in a Scorpionic/Plutonian way (knowing them inside and out!)

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Very few people wait to sleep until they really know someone.

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The earliest I slept with someone - upon meeting them was 8 months (with my Libra ex).

I just wanted to mention again - that it really bothers me when people see this as an 'admirable choice'.
There is nothing admirable about this at ALL. I am not controlling desires.. I simply don't have them.
And if someone *does* have the desires - good for them! All the power to them. I think people should do what feels best for them!

posted December 21, 2011 05:45 PM            

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I think asexuality can be described the same way as virginity is described.

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In what sense though?

There are virgins who are not asexual... and asexuals who are not virgins.

posted December 21, 2011 06:07 PM            

The rest is free will and aspects...

Pluto rules police, it rules violence, and it rules criminals, and with a neptune aspect and aspects to the personal planets it rules drugs too...

But it also rules intense unions, integrity, Christ consciousness, resurrection, death in a positive sense...transformation, sexual power etc.....keyword: purification....not necessarily what we think is purification though, but what is for the person...

So in the house of sex for fun and romance...it shows here experiences which ultimately lead to transformation...

Amelia it's intersting about owning this energy...that is so true...I think that is part of the key to finding stability in a relationship with this placement...realizing that you are intense...and cultivating this...so that you don't always feel the urge to transform...

For me Pluto in Scorpio is well aspect ed...so my early life tragedies have been incorporated positively...Pluto also rules psychology...so a positive aspect of Pluto could be seeking help, therapy, or psycho analysis from a Jungian therapist...something positive....but pluto gives the all or nothing attitude in the fifth especially in scorpio which is commonplace for asexual development, since most people are not always born asexual....especially in our environment of unsaid promiscuousness, no judgement here, I have been on that side too. But ultimately, I have learned the hard way that this is not the way to be for health and survival reasons...to say the least.

I really enjoyed this thread.

posted December 21, 2011 07:45 PM            

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I just wanted to mention again - that it really bothers me when people see this as an 'admirable choice'.
There is nothing admirable about this at ALL. I am not controlling desires.. I simply don't have them.
And if someone *does* have the desires - good for them! All the power to them. I think people should do what feels best for them!

The reason I'm terrified of ever bringing this *up* at all (and I actually avoided bringing it up on LL as well - many times)... is because I really do NOT want anyone to see me as one of those people who intentionally *control* their sexual urges for moral reasons.
I know sex can be a really good and positive experience between two people.. and it is completely up to every mature individual to have sex as they please and when they please with whom they choose - according to their own set of values and their own desires & sex-drive (as long as they are safe about it).

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