posted January 16, 2012 12:43 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Do you (or anyone else here) have artistic talents? It is Venus, after all. I ask because, as a youth, I studied Classical Music voraciously. I was completely consumed by its study and got an ecstatic feeling when performing a piece on stage. I recall that teachers and critics alike would always remark that I had such a "strong voice with lots of passion." (Perhaps this is in keeping with the conjunction falling in the 2nd House, ruled by Taurus, which rules the voice.) At the time, I obviously had no notion of what they were talking about. It makes a whole lot of sense now, though! Today, I enjoy painting as a pastime to channel all that I feel inside.

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Always I've loved artistic outlets, either participating in, or just experiencing (going to show, visit a museum, discussing art, etc). I am not much of a musician but I have taught myself the piano and I absolutely love its raw emotion. I could play for hours; it's too bad I didn't learn earlier because then I think I would be able to do more. I've always been more inclined to the written word. I love writing and I could definitely see this being part of my career; it already is a big creative outlet.

Let me just say it's eerie how similar all us Venus/Pluto people are! Everything y'all are saying I just have to nod my head in agreement! I too am either super interested or not interested in all in people.

posted January 16, 2012 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by lu_pirate:
@woah cakes Actually, we just want to be loved. But I guess we are able to see the truth. Like, we know when someone is with us because consider us as "trophy spouse" or just want our body. We want to be loved fully, that's different tham wanting to be obsessed over. But we end up obsessing over other people...

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yes well why make it so hard??? i know everyone with this aspect is different but it's like there are all these weird tests and all this hot cold stuff and it is really painful and confusing. it ends up making ME feel obsessed with how to show my love or be supportive or with just plain old worry.

i just realized as i said i seem to be very attracted to ppl with this aspect and i would like to resolve the situation because it is really painful to be led into a person with this aspect's heart and then promptly shoved back out, in this neverending dance, etc. and every time i finally let go, they end up wanting me again! arghgh!

posted January 16, 2012 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by inthemisosoup:

To answer the question regarding "obsession" and if I want people obsessed with me, that answer is NO! The thought of someone being obsessed with me makes me really uncomfortable (once again, Sagittarius sun/Aqua ascendant . . . I need room to breathe!). What I do want is true love and passion; this is different from obsession which of course does not always entail love. I am the one who unfortunately obsesses.

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yeah i get that. i have aqua sun and sag ascendant myself. but cuz of my strong neptune stuff i instinctively feel and even unconsciously mimic/inhabit peoples' feelings, especially stuff that is hidden under the surface. the problem is that i can also FEEL this intense desire for love in the ppl i've been involved with who have this placement, and with each of them i felt our bond was very real and strong but it seems like this intensity scared just as much as it compelled them and so that would make me 'obsessed' with trying to understand what was going on or how to adapt or whatever, cuz there is so much push-pull involved.

so, would it be preferable, just isolating this aspect (if that is even possible!) for the partner to be constantly calm and unshaken regardless of how the intense emotions manifest within the partnership? when i get shoved away after being BEGGED to open my heart and trust him, it freaks me out! and i don't know how to react.

posted January 16, 2012 03:16 PM            

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Originally posted by woah cakes:
do those of you with this aspect want to be obsessed OVER?

it's weird cuz the only people i've been serious with have this aspect and i'm very empathic to the point where i truly can't distinguish my feelings and others' about 90% of the time, and this generally stands until i know someone VERY well. anyway, venus/pluto seems pretty secretly obsessive (?) and in these relationships i always felt obsessively TOWARD them, but with the whole going cold/mind games thing that can go with this aspect it always seemed they weren't a lot of the time.. BUT turns out they were, so i think i was actually mostly feeling their feelings.

so yeah i just wonder cuz the guy i've been seeing for 14 months has the trine and he went full force with his feelings and does a lot of hot/cold all the time and i find it makes me feel so obsessive! and so i wonder, at the very least do you guys like that? does it make you feel safe or 'matched' in intensity or whatever?

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As long as it's not the kind of obsession that will cause me to take out a restraining order, I'm good. I don't want to have deep feelings for someone and have them tell me that they only want to be my friend. Bump that! I have enough friends. I want my feelings/love to be returned and not be led on.

posted January 16, 2012 03:29 PM            

oh crap my 8th house ruler is my sun in aqua, which is always activated in my synastry somehow. oh dear.

and yeah i draw the line at stalking

posted January 16, 2012 10:58 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
@BeholdAstarte: Your Venus/Pluto conjunction falling precisely on your Descendant sounds like quite the combination--one I've definitely never come across. I've noticed that Venus/Pluto ways stem from a deep-rooted fear of rejection, as you touched upon. I know that in my case, I experienced early feelings of abandonment on the part of my father, which eventually made me feel unlovable. It's a large part of the reason I am so inexhaustible in my quest for love today. Do you have any issues rooted in childhood? My conjunction falls in the 2nd House, and trines the Midheaven in Cancer exactly. I have my own theories about how this manifests itself in my life, but because I love to acquaint myself with other perspectives, what do you think those energies would represent?

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wow, thats really interesting that your pluto/venus trine your midheaven, i can see the correlation with experiences of abandonment with your father, since the 10th house rules "father" or authority parent and its in cancer. do you have any 5th house placements as well? or 12th? interesting too that your conjunction falls into the other venus ruled house, manifesting itself in similar venusian ways. how r u with money? i bet pluto/venus in 2nd has some jealousy and possesiveness too, are your desires for things very strong?

posted January 16, 2012 11:23 PM            

Venus square Pluto here.

Chalk me up for a *major* attraction to men with dark hair and eyes. Oooohhh...

I'm also good if someone is obsessed with me, so long as legal steps don't have to be taken!

Yeah, when I meet someone who really sets off the Venus/Pluto thing, I will get jealous and possessive over the guy, and I do hate that feeling. Too much Gemini in my chart to ever feel comfortable with jealousy.

posted January 17, 2012 02:55 AM            

Having experienced a progressed venus pluto hard aspect it is more problematic than the softer aspects, the biquintile was a lovely aspect to have.

posted January 17, 2012 08:05 AM            

These people love sexually daring partner,when sexy talk,each and everyone of them know whether you are really able to pull out all those things you say. You don't have to do it,but you must the the person capable of doing if.

The body of relation from Venus/Pluto person is entirely in awaiting. It is though of it that's exciting,while they accumulate the sentiment. The though you can connect to somebody instantly and deeply,inexplicably! Of course, the physical act of sex is important,but not as much as all-consuming foreplay. It is not just foreplay...it is like soul-scanning. For such a ripping energy,I am always impress by the subtlety of interaction. Feeling that you are connected with one person,only you two,it's what gets then excited. -> and,all of this is real,it can be one sided,but it is hellishly present.

posted January 17, 2012 09:03 AM            

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Even the men. i love the men w.this aspect (the hard aspects) because they use that sexy double talk, all innuendo, all sultry gazing, no fear of lulls in the convo cos that gives them a chance to just dreamily undress you with their eyes, and they don't even care if you can see it.
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Lol yea.. that's what my v/p-sextile can't stand. It's too obvious, gives a very uncomfortable feeling and (that's why?) reality has always proven me that this big promise of *sex*/*intensity* in their eyes is a pretty letdown/blow when you actually start to kiss and become intimate. They 'promise' the world and all you get is a weak version of what you had expected. At best I prefer to expect something on an extremely subtle and almost invisible level so that that the surprise will be IMMENSE! (Aqua-Mars/Venus 11th) .. it's too easy for men to pass that line with me and prob. the reason that I don't attract the v/p hard aspects.

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The ultimate intimacy- Venus/Pluto people's goal!

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posted January 19, 2012 01:16 AM            

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@inthemisosoup: I am completely enamored in and smitten by the raw emotion of the piano, too. I'm also very inclined to the written word as well. I've read that Venus/Pluto is a combo associated with lyricism and poignant words. Not poetic in the transcendent Neptunian way, but in a more Plutonic way that speaks to the core of each individual. What kind of writing do you practice?

@woah cakes: You asked, "yes well why make it so hard???" Quite simply, we want to ensure that our object of affection is worthy of our love, because once we allow someone 'inside', he/she permeates our inner workings and is thereafter extremely difficult to let go of. The series of tests with you are method by which we decipher your worth. After all, Pluto is very proud and won't stand for anything less than it deems up to par.

@BeholdAstarte: Thanks for your interpretation. To answer your question, yes, my desire nature is quite remarkably strong. When I want something, be that sex or a tangible entity, I must have it, and will go to the ends of the Earth to satisfy that craving. I'm also very conscientious about finances and have perfect credit. I LOATHE anyone giving me money or being loaned money. I have a BIG self-sufficiency complex. I like to think the 2nd House (especially trine the MC) represents art, in an earthy Taurus sense. Also, the voice. As a former vocalist, this always made sense to me. I never made the correlation of Venus/Pluto to the Midheaven and the father...I thought that because it was a "trine" it would never indicate something so traumatic. Plus, my 4th House is very telling of my father (Saturn and Neptune), so I would never think to associate that with my father. I have and have always had very Venus/Pluto feelings for my mother, however, but my relationship with her is very close and healthy. I was very obsessed with her as a child, always fearing a danger befalling her, or even worse, losing her. It spurred me into extreme anxiety attacks and I was very possessive. Here is an excerpt Bettty Lundsted wrote about Venus conjunct Pluto:

"Venus represents the psychological effect of the mother on the individual, the ability toappreciate love, as well as the intellectual concept of what a love relationship is. Thesefeelings will be altered in some way by the presence of Pluto. It seems that during theindividual's formative years the mother was convinced that she had to control heruniverse through her 'womanhood'. In some way, she was able to overwhelm this nativeon a psychological level, and the resultant adult is a person who has to protect himself from the unseen influence, the devouring mother. The mother is an overwhelminginfluence. This produces a male who feels he has to control his relationships with thefemale, and perhaps even subconsciously he will be attempting to control anyrelationship that he forms. He may obsess over relationships or obsess over his desires,but the most harmful part of the aspect in the subconscious is a fear of the power of woman. It means that rather than relating he must manage everyone; and that does notmake a relationship smooth or happy.The female with this aspect was taught early in her childhood that in order to survive as afemale one must control all relationships. One must know where one stands in anyrelationship that is formed, or it may be lost. This woman will attempt to have a 'grip' oneverything around her; otherwise she thinks she will lose her position. Often the aspectworks subconsciously. She may be vaguely aware that she needs to detemine edges, forrarely is a hard Pluto aspect really conscious of the manoeuvring it does. She may pick men that she can manage and then resent them for being manageable. She may want toend relationships when this conjunction is being transited by other planets, for theenergy may bring her insecurity into focus. She may be afraid of her mother or resent hermother from childhood on into adulthood.The aspect can indicate a person whohas obsessive desires. Additional configurations in the chart may indicate how much soand what area of life is affected by the aspect. If Pluto represents transformation, or if itrepresents the collective unconscious of humanity, then the tie between Pluto and Venusis a 'biggie' in terms of human growth potential. If Venus represents our appreciation of art, culture and beauty, then the conjunction will intensify that appreciation and enablethe owner to transform the art world, or to gain understanding of potential art forms.Because Pluto symbolizes the archetypes of the collective unconscious, personaltransformation and / or insights can be developed when the lower manifestations of theaspect are comprehended."

Thanks for your honesty. Very often, Venus/Pluto individuals are sexually abused as children. I've read that they subconsciously emanate sexual (Plutonic) energy and that even their own father may find himself thinking improperly of his daughter or son. It is by enduring sexual abuse that they learn that sex is not related to love at all - that it's more a control game.

posted January 19, 2012 01:29 AM            

I've always associated Venus/Pluto with bisexuality. There are many older texts that quite frequently make the correlation. Though I don't like the use of labels whatsoever, I suppose if someone were to classify my sexual appetite, I would be rendered bisexual. I would probably score an exact 5 on the Kinsey Scale. Traditionally, it's thought that Pluto is both intense and highly sexed. Plus, Pluto is at odds with society and represents Taboo. Society tells us that man-woman love is the only love we ought to see fit. Pluto would question this. Plus, as sexed as he is, Pluto can't see why he would limit himself to 50% of the world's population. In terms of what I am attracted to, I don't even look to gender as a deciding factor. I feel as though Pluto scorches through it all. Pluto blazes through the notion of boy/girl because it understands everyone at the core...and at the core, we are all genderless. I've only ever pursued relationships with females, but I have indulged in my fair share of romping with other males. Coincidentally, with other Plutonians. I've also read that Venus/Pluto is on the conquest to dominate another's affection, including men and women--kind of the more, the merrier. After all, Pluto is one power-hungry mother-effer . I know that in my case this rings true, but what about you guys? I can't imagine this would be true for every Venus/Plutonian, so let me know about your own sexual proclivities to prove/disprove this notion. I have other highly sexual aspects in my chart, so I may have to look elsewhere.

And for the record, the girls that drive me crazy (and it's quite ironic how each one of my exes looks so alike) are olive-complected, black-haired, and with blue eyes. Something about the combo drives me wild. A freak in the bed.

In terms of other guys, I get riled up by very physically big alpha males...something about two very masculine guys with one another is what gets me off. The taboo (Pluto) of it is what gets me.

posted January 19, 2012 01:42 AM            

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For hard aspects in particular [especially those that show up through (auto)abuse],I'll use R.Downey Jr words (by which he tried to explain addiction) » like I've got a shotgun in my
mouth, with my finger on the trigger, and I like the taste of
gun …« It is very fitting for Pluto influence. To continue on Lonake's thought,it is being under spell,but unlike Neptune's spell,you are not a pawn. And that's why [b]your finger is on the trigger... [/B]

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posted January 19, 2012 01:52 AM            

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i dont view sex as love itself,i want to have sex with only someone i love though,i think sex outside of love is meaningless,i dont want to think the girl i am with to have had casual sex with a bunch of people,i think it should only be shared with special people,for me there has to be a level of trust there

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That makes more sense for Venus/Pluto.. than other things you mentioned in your last post imo

posted January 19, 2012 01:54 AM            

and dang, if you haven't seen it, you have to watch 'the soloist'. understated but brilliant performace. beautiful movie.

posted January 19, 2012 02:07 AM            

so me and my ex who is my first love from 17 years ago got back together two summers ago very briefly. we had the most insane connection. INSANE. perfect. but he was scared, oh so scared that i was *using him for sex*. this came out of nowhere by the way and it made no sense to me because it seemed perfectly obvious that i was basically completely in love with him. now this is a HOT guy, that gets hit on frequently. and a scorpio moon. but we have something special and different and he knew that, because of our history, because of the circumstances of us getting back together, because of all the things he said about how he has never felt so comfortable or close to anyone than he has with me (his sun is on my moon exact). so anyway i had thought this was his weird way of squriming away from me; telling me i was using him for sex, out of nowhere. i mean i guess i could tell he meant it but it made ZERO sense to me.

so is this venus/pluto in action??

he basically told me everything you guys are saying; he's been celibate for a very long time and we almost had sex several times cuz the energy between us is just so powerful, but well well more than just sexually. anyway, he basicaly believes sex goes with full on commitment or even marriage and was basically laying it out like that; and saying he felt THAT WAY about me (we have a really intense history, this wasn't really out of nowhere) so it made no sense to him that he thought i was using him for sex. but now i feel like this does seem to go with this aspect somehow.